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Salvia VS internal dialog
    #6220840 - 10/28/06 02:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

For you hard core Salvia users out there I have some questions.

Does salvia shut down your internal dialog?

What has been the effect of this in your day to day?

Has anyone used Salvia to treat addictions?

Was this effective and what was your method.?

THANKS!


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Icelander]
    #6220921 - 10/28/06 02:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

For me, Salvia amplifies that internal dialog that chatters away often without my attention. All those little thoughts that disparage self, feel a sense of shame, of worthlessness, those voices become ten thousand times louder when Salvia is in the mix. To me, this has been a method for diagnosing spiritual sickness. The cure, though.. I'll get back to you.


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Ped]
    #6220944 - 10/28/06 03:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Very interesting Ped. That has not been my experience. I have found myself at moments unable to think or understand that I even was. A sense of not knowing what I was without any personality structure. It was fleeting though as I began to think the moment the dose began to wear off.

I am thinking of exploring more there. I quit using it when other things became available to me but I was extremely impressed with the awesome effects of it. It was very strange compared to other things I have used and so left for more familiar territory. I know Hue has delved deeply and so hopefully we will hear from him and of course the master student of Salvia, Redgreenvines.

I have also heard of it's use in treating addictions but I don't remember where.


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Ped]
    #6220947 - 10/28/06 03:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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For me, Salvia amplifies that internal dialog that chatters away often without my attention. All those little thoughts that disparage self, feel a sense of shame, of worthlessness, those voices become ten thousand times louder when Salvia is in the mix. To me, this has been a method for diagnosing spiritual sickness. The cure, though.. I'll get back to you.


It's hard for me to speak about salvia in normal sentences, but for me the above is pretty accurate (at a certain lighter dose, anyway)

sometimes I get sounds and images reverberating at a really fast pace... I have a fear of the police (often have nightmares about them) and sometimes I get sirens that seem to arise from some well inside my unconscious where they are constantly there

I get dream-life connections that manifest themselves in objects around me - whether it's my laptop, a window, a lamp, a pencil. this can be very erie

Mostly it's about reflecting on the way I view things. Salvia brings the contours that are already there into relief, sometimes painfully.

There are other things that are too strange and too personal for me to talk about... Mostly I find salvia very useful for getting centered and doing stretching and breathing exercises--after that indescribable, itchy/scrapy/pully discomfort of the salvia 'jump', it really puts you in touch with the signals the body is sending


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Lion]
    #6221131 - 10/28/06 04:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

echo chamber
stretched out inner dialog
'lastic dilog
dog a lick


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6221136 - 10/28/06 04:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:wink:


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Icelander]
    #6221268 - 10/28/06 05:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

No it doesn't, but it really fucks it up real bad. After smoking about 60 to 80 mg of 10X my internal dialog is functioning so poorly that it can no longer support my reality.


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6221282 - 10/28/06 05:41 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

sh*t, you must have reinforced concrete in your inner dialogs, man.


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6221285 - 10/28/06 05:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"sh*t, you must have reinforced concrete in your inner dialogs"

Why else do you think I came to the path that I am on. You don't know the half of it :smile:


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6221287 - 10/28/06 05:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl2:  Should I vouch for your honesty?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Icelander]
    #6221291 - 10/28/06 05:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Does salvia shut down your internal dialog?

My internal dialog usually ends up being left behind in ordinary reality.


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6221301 - 10/28/06 05:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Mush, you're a cool guy but I find that a little hard to believe. It's not too easy to stop the internal dialog.

If it's true, how did you accomplish this and to what effect?


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Icelander]
    #6221325 - 10/28/06 05:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Usually, I can't even recognize my own existence during a Salvia trip, much less think about anything. Internal dialogue seems to disappear after you've become an oak leaf or are drowning (metaphorically) in some colorful flood of membranes. My Salvia trips just seem like bizarre alien memories which have been implanted into my mind, but have no connection to me whatsoever. It's weird shit.


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6221334 - 10/28/06 06:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Oh I get it. Sorry, when you said ordinary reality I didn't realize you were talking about having first smoked salvia. :blush:

Yes, this is similar to my experience. I don't always get there but have done it. Other times it's a reduced internal dialog as in almost feeling states insead of words.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (10/28/06 06:03 PM)


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Icelander]
    #6221340 - 10/28/06 06:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

On salvia, my internal dialogue goes something like this:

:confused:
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:wtf:
lkkdfasfjnjv
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:stars:
...
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.wjiewjoidwoewfm

:whoah:
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kdnjk
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:crazyeyes:
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~
#$%&%&^%(
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:eek:
:toomuchacid:


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Icelander]
    #6221341 - 10/28/06 06:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

let me introduce you to my friend Jack Hammer.
he likes it hard.d.d.d.d.d.d.


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Icelander]
    #6221363 - 10/28/06 06:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I have never lost an internal monologue to Salvia, but it is typically functioning within the confines of the Salvia reality. She likes me, and she has shown me a lot of crazy stuff. Perhaps your dose is too high, if you are losing your internal monologue. (An internal dialog is something of a disturbing thing, I think...)

Typically, Salvia shows us ourselves. She sets out and makes an agenda of teaching you about yourself. Another poster mentioned Salvia amplifying self-worries and anxieties and such - that is consistent with what she does, but she does so in order that you might understand those concerns and move past them. She teaches you what you must come to terms with.

Salvia has also a tendency to shatter conceptions of reality's rules, at least with me. She does this in order that I can rebuild reality with a stronger working knowledge. Derealization and reality shattering allows us to rebuild - to build a house, you have to clear the earth first. To build a knew, superior understanding of the universe, Salvia will destroy reality so you can create it anew and essentially ex nihilo, given a high enough dose.

I have noticed that a lot of you are talking about becoming other things, and yet claiming you lost internal monologue - I wonder how that is possible? Humans think in words - when we don't have words, we have nothingness. Granted, many of us are capable of concept thoughts (either with or without psychedelic aid), but we still have to put things into words to communicate. In many cases, our memory of the internal monologue may be drowned out, but it is almost certainly there. Almost.

She tells me sometimes she won't let people talk themselves through it, so I guess I was wrong. I believe you could lose an internal monologue on Salvia, given a high enough dose.

Still, that might not be the best dose to take. At least not unless you want to learn anew after destroying.

Edit: If in fact my experience is abnormal (and it is prone to being so, for many reasons), and not losing internal monologue is a sign of a reinforced concrete, I must be able to use my monologue as a fallout shelter. I don't think I've ever lost mine completely.


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"The world is ruled by letting things take their course. It cannot be ruled by interfering." - Tao Te Ching, 48


Edited by Paramemetic (10/28/06 06:16 PM)


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Paramemetic]
    #6221386 - 10/28/06 06:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There seems to be a wide variety of experience with salvia. One of the best trippers I know is terrified of his personal Salvia experience and when he discribed it I agreed. Mine was mostly different. I also have had real IMO divinatory experience on Salvia. The "reality" seemed the same as this one but I was in my childhood home.

No one has any experience with addiction.


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Icelander]
    #6221395 - 10/28/06 06:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I have never tried to beat addiction with this spirit. I believe she can. It would only make sense, as she can destroy a reality completely and give a person a chance to rebuild - that would mean she could destroy the trap of addiction. I know she can beat depression, she has told me so and I believe her. She may have been integral in defeating my own, I'm unsure.

I have certainly had divinatory experiences with her, though I have not yet used her to help others as I feel she wants me to. Soon enough, though.

I know she has had profound effects on people who are experienced trippers and do not know what to expect. She was my first trip, and she was very kind because I approached her with the utmost humility and reverence. She has been kind for any who I have shared her with, but her kindness is an honest kindness - she will fuck up one's shit in a serious way to teach them a lesson, but in retrospect they always appreciate the lesson.


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Re: Salvia VS internal dialog [Re: Paramemetic]
    #6221444 - 10/28/06 06:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

If she can work with depressive states then that would indeed be a boon to mankind. Thanks for your imput. :mushroom2:


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