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Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed?
    #621917 - 04/29/02 03:34 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This was posted in another forum by myself, but i feel the post would be much more suited for this forum. I really hope this thread is not locked or deleted, but is discussed as this seems to be a real problem here at the shroomery that needs resolving:

"Here's my thing...

obviously a lot of people dont like ryche hawk for various reasons... why do those in the upper shroomery bueracracy feel the need to "mute" these people who speak out against ryche hawk (and other vendors who support the shroomery financially) when they have legitimate concerns?

it just seems to me that any actions that are taken on this board are always done in the best interest of the vendors who pay money to keep this ship afloat. why do THESE people deserve preferential treatment by having the moderators and admins always wiping their chins for them?

my .000002 cents
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thanks, and i hope y'all can get things moving in the RIGHT direction

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: camel]
    #621919 - 04/29/02 03:37 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I should also make it clear...

it's not just Ryche Hawk who is "protected" by the shroomery mods/admins, but other vendors (who give the shroomery ad $, etc as well)

i just used ryche since this is the most recent incident of "preferential treatment for $-giving-vendors" that ive seen on this board

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: camel]
    #621922 - 04/29/02 03:45 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I have only recently be given the awesome opertunity of moderating a forum or two here. However, let me say this: I have supported Riche many times here in the past. My friends had no problem with him. Over the past couple months I have noticed many people here that have expressed said problems with him.... Any business's performance may/will vary sometimes. Thus I'm not taken any sides here. I just wanted to point out that, in previous posts/replies that I have made (re: Riche) that my friends were all very satisified with him at that time.

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: Jammer]
    #621924 - 04/29/02 03:49 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

But surely when vendors do things that are irresponsible, those who point these things out shouldn't be "muted" just because it was an "advertising vendor" who fucked up should they?

For instance, let's say a vendor has hash mailed from Europe to the same mail box as they receive their orders at. Don't you think this is irresponsible and "possible customers" should know these things about a vendor?

well things like this HAVE happened, yet these vendors continue to be protected by the upper-beurocracy at the shroomery, and i think this has a greedy/adverse effect to the goal at hand here, which is to educate the masses

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: camel]
    #621929 - 04/29/02 04:08 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

>"For instance, let's say a vendor has hash mailed from Europe to the same mail box as they receive their orders at. Don't you think this is irresponsible and "possible customers" should know these things about a vendor?"


Rumors are not censored here. (how could we stop them anyway?) In fact another member brought up a simulair subject here a few weeks back and I dont recall it being censored or deleted at all...

Some posts/replies were edited here recently due to a mega mud-slinging flame fest against some vendors here... But thats NOT to say that the vendors are being protected- The main goal is to stop the flames/hate.

All members here have some right of protection. When dozens of posts/replies emerge suddenly attacking a couple of individual members in the most extreme & vulgar nature it's time for someone to attempt to slow things down long enough for everyone to "take a breath".

Thats all it's about man.


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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: Jammer]
    #621934 - 04/29/02 04:16 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

may i be so inclined to disagree with your statement about all members having equal rights?

For instance...

it seems people are allowed to flame cap'n max all they want here (he doesnt have a banner ad from what ive seen), yet i have seen VERY important posts that show a lot of the advertising/money-contributing-vendors "true colors" get deleted or edited in an attempt to wipe that vendor's reputation squeeky-clean. i have seen this happen several dozen times during my reading of this board, so it is not some "isolated incident", it is a problem with the way the personell are handling problems related to these "contributing vendors"

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: camel]
    #621937 - 04/29/02 04:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Your opinion is appreciated.

I PROMISE that your opinions will be relayed to others here.

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: camel]
    #621938 - 04/29/02 04:23 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

oh btw, that hash from europe thing isn't a rumor it DID happen, and the vendor (who is still up and running, despite having letters from his customers and various addresses of customers siezed) openly admitted to it on these forums.

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: Jammer]
    #621939 - 04/29/02 04:24 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks jammer, i really hope people take this seriously and try to make a conscious effort to change the way things are dealt with around here (instead of everybody trying to be John Wayne, which you obviously arent and i respect that a lot)

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: camel]
    #621941 - 04/29/02 04:29 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

when someone makes a puppet to mock one vendor, the puppet is gonna get tossed. regardless of who the vendor in question is.

i've gotten PMs from quite a few different vendors accusing me of favoring other vendors. which amuses me, especially when they're on opposite sides of each other, both thinking i'm helping out the other one. when in reality they're both fucknuts.

obviously it's an imperfect system. i can't speak for the other moderators / administrators, but i do the best i can, and i'm pretty sure they do too.

your feedback is appreciated. if you ever want to point out specifics to me in PM, go right ahead.

cj

ps - not only do i not receive money from any vendor, i've never even bought from one. i have no allegiances whatsoever to any vendor.


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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: Captain Jack]
    #621944 - 04/29/02 04:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

im not accusing people or pointing figures, merely just making suggestions based on what i have seen, and important (important in the sense that they inform the masses about the truths of many of the vendors here) threads/posts that have "mysteriously dissappeared".

if i sound harsh, that is not my intention im just merely giving suggestions to better improve this/these forums.

deleting posts, flames or not, is wrong if they have pertinent information in them that people will be able to use either in practice, or in their decision what vendor they will choose to purchase from.

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: camel]
    #621953 - 04/29/02 04:58 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

well as i said in the other post...
> obviously a lot of people dont like ryche hawk for various reasons... why do
> those in the upper shroomery bueracracy feel the need to "mute" these people
> who speak out against ryche hawk (and other vendors who support the
> shroomery financially) when they have legitimate concerns?

there is no ?upper shroomery bureaucracy? and i don?t feel the need to mute anyone who speaks out against any vendor with a reasonable concern.  however, when the sole purpose of a post is simply to talk shit about another person (be it a vendor or another member), nothing productive will come out of it.  starting a thread with a puppet and responding to it with another puppet (with a user name intentionally designed to spoof/degrade a current member) in a forum designed to discuss vendor related issues - not to post freely about how much someone hates someone else - is completely unacceptable.  the legitimate concerns had already been addressed in the many other threads pertaining to hawk?s past trouble, and there is no reason to flame anyone in the vendor forum in multiple threads.  flames are not productive.  as am example, as i have seen thus far, hawk has been arranging to replace orders that got stolen, and i have seen members apologizing for jumping on the bandwagon and flaming him before they even gave him a chance to make good on the deal.


> it just seems to me that any actions that are taken on this board are always done in
> the best interest of the vendors who pay money to keep this ship afloat

?actions? are not done in the best interest of paying vendors here.  the only bias i can think of is not allowing vendors to post ad banners in their signatures, but this makes complete sense because the paying vendors need to get some benefits for sponsoring the site? and if everyone who wants to mail out some spores advertises in their sig, then paying vendors who may not employ this tactic are at a huge loss.


> why do THESE people deserve preferential treatment by having the moderators
> and admins always wiping their chins for them?

the aforementioned people do not deserve preferential treatment, and they do not receive preferential treatment.  my reasons for defending hawk are completely different from my reasons for notifying the vendor mods/admins about the flame threads being started in the vendor forum last night.  i stand up for hawk because i am a satisfied customer who has received all his orders sterile and viable, even though some orders may take a while to arrive.  i would have requested a mod to delete/close any threads that an obvious sock puppet kept posting for the strict purpose of childish trash talk regardless of who it was about.

in regards to your concern about pertinent info being deleted in various posts throughout the years, i don't kno if this is true or not because i am new to this forum.  but i can assure you that i will not delete any post unless it is a completely useless flame, even then it is more likely that the post would just be closed.  :cool:
 


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    #621964 - 04/29/02 05:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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    #621969 - 04/29/02 05:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

LMAO!!!!

Like: This is the city- The Shroomery....

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: Captain Jack]
    #622062 - 04/29/02 10:17 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

>when in reality they're both fucknuts.<

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    #622187 - 04/29/02 01:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: MicronMagick]
    #622196 - 04/29/02 01:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This was actually one of the posts that concerned me.

Nushroom (who i have had "harsh" words with in the past, but am willing to put aside for the sake of this post) had a post that had NO FLAMING in it, but it told the truth about another vendor (in a most non-flaming way) yet the post was deleted regardless of the fact that there was no "flaming" going on or "socks" being used in the thread.

and when nushroom re-posted the VERY LEGITIMATE and NON-FLAMING concerns it was deleted again.

This contradicts EVERYTHING you moderators "claim" to stand for (and mentioned you supposedly "stand for" in your earlier replies to this thread), so what's up with this?

perhaps you can shed some light on this issue for me, and there were MANY other posts that didnt have flames/socks in them but were deleted for "mysterious" reasons.

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: MicronMagick]
    #622210 - 04/29/02 02:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Micron CJ is a loose cannon and a douchebag.. I got my ass tore in half for pointing this out a few weeks ago and I m glad someone else noticed....I m over it now though and as my old buddy Jackmehoff used to say before he was banned the idocy here at the Shroomery will never cease to amaze me.


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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: SouthernGent]
    #622239 - 04/29/02 02:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

gent: i understand your concerns completely and agree with you...

however there isn't really a need to turn this into a flame thread for if it does it will likely get deleted like the other threads which i alluded to in my previous post/replies... this would be contra-productive...

it is obvious certain admins/mods can be hypocritical and two-faced, but it appears as if they're actually allowing us to voice our opinions here so long as nothing gets out of hand. this is a huge step up from threads being deleted, and i hope we can do something to improve future actions of admins/mods in situations that were outlined above.

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Re: Legitimate Vendor Concerns hushed? [Re: camel]
    #622264 - 04/29/02 03:19 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I think the mods who've spoken out here have said my thoughts already, but I will say a few things....
In reply to:

why do those in the upper shroomery bueracracy feel the need to "mute" these people who speak out against ryche hawk (and other vendors who support the shroomery financially) when they have legitimate concerns?



There is no upper beauracracy conspiracy here, not only that I have personally been distancing myself from the Vendor forum because its such a frustrating place.

There are around 30 something mods here at the shroomery, do you think I could ask them to give some preferencial treatment and nobody would bitch about this? All the mods know I have NEVER asked for any such treatment to any vendors, I have only asked that the Vendor Mods be more aggressive in stopping the BS that is occuring in the vendor forum.

Recently there was a puppet attack, we banned 4 nicks, deleted each thread by this moron. Before that we had a loser bumping really old threads and then deleting his reply to avoid being noticed, too bad he didn't realize we have other ways to figure that shit out...

I know its fun to think there is some dark conspiracy's going on behind the scenes at the Shroomery, it makes for fun chat room discussions I'm sure over at the Forest Floor.

Nushroom I am not aware of that thread you and camel are talking about, can you sum up what it was about?


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