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Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect?
    #6218442 - 10/27/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Boim: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect?

By Yair Ettinger, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service

Deputy Defense Minister Ze'ev Boim, addressing the issue of why much of local, regional and world terrorism is directed by extremist Muslims, asked Tuesday, "What is it about Islam as a whole and the Palestinians in particular? Is it some form of cultural deprivation? Is it some genetic defect? There is something that defies explanation in this continued murderousness."

Boim was speaking at a memorial ceremony for the victims of a bus attack on the Coastal Highway 26 years ago.

MK Jamal Zahalka (Balad) said in response that "whoever says that Palestinian behavior is caused by a genetic defect has a brain defect himself and the values of a racist fascist."

"Boim is giving racism a bad name, and returning to the same kind of primitive, sickening and dangerous racism from which the Jews have suffered for many generations," Zahalka said, and demanded that the law against racism be enforced following Boim's statements.

Meretz MK Avshalom Vilan also condemned Boim's statements and demanded he retract them, reminding the crowd that Boim used to be a high school principal.

MK Ophir Pines-Paz (Labor) called for Boim's resignation if he does not apologize.

MK Ahmed Tibi (Hadash) said he does not think Boim should resign because the deputy defense minister acts as valuable evidence for those who think the Israeli government embraces a group of fascists.

Likud MK Yehiel Hazan supported Boim's statements.

"What Ze'ev Boim said, it hasn't been researched, but according to my experience this is true. I think he is correct. It is well-known that Arabs have been slaughtering and murdering Jews for more than a generation," Hazan said.

"I think this it is in their blood. It is something genetic. I have not researched this, but there is no other way to explain this," Hazan added. "Don't believe an Arab, even one who has been in the grave for 40 years."

Meimad leader MK Rabbi Michael Melchior slammed the statements as racist and against the tenets of Judaism and likened them to claims of genetic flaws linked to Jews by the Nazis and others throughout history.

"He is a member of the Israeli government. What he says spreads out across the world as if it is a statement issued by the Israeli government," Melchior said. "I don't think he should resign. I think he should apologize."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=397851

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Luddite]
    #6218499 - 10/27/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Luddite]
    #6218690 - 10/27/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's caused by severe anger


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6218706 - 10/27/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Its caused by the fact that they don't want invaders entering their homeland on hostile terms.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6218716 - 10/27/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe they shouldn't have tried to murder every Israeli.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6218728 - 10/27/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

As if Israel is the innocent bystander here. Olive trees don't grow out of pots of gunpowder, ya know.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Luddite]
    #6218871 - 10/27/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

could have something to do with Israel illegaly occupying their lands.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6218887 - 10/27/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What lands are those, Grasshopper? All of Israel? Can you read a history book?


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6218913 - 10/27/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The West Bank. And until last year, the Gaza Strip.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6220061 - 10/28/06 02:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Its caused by the fact that they don't want invaders entering their homeland on hostile terms.

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what a load of garbage

can invaders enter their lands on friendly terms?

when you ARE hostile you'll be invaded sooner or later by your enemies 'the crusaders' they call them for some strange reason


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Luddite]
    #6220326 - 10/28/06 06:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No, it's whats known as a complex issue, Israel treats Palestinians as second class citizens regularly violating their human rights. Some Palestinians take it upon themselves to blow up innocent people. There is no economy, there are disenfranchised unemployed angry young male Palestinians, they want someone to blame for their hopeless predicament. Add in the concept of martyrdom and bake for a few years and here we are. Neither side has the moral high ground, such is life in the real world. I don't feel like willfully ignoring the acts of my 'team' or quoting from other people with my perspective to back up my world view, I will leave that to Luddite. I do hold Israel more responsible however, because they hold all the cards. As an organized bureaucracy they could adopt policies to improve the lives of Palestinians, yet they choose not to do this.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Andy21]
    #6220345 - 10/28/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

its always about what israel has done to them
from my non jewis non pale point of view
they have noone to blame but themselves
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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: quiver]
    #6220385 - 10/28/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I hear thats called looking for a 'motive', fuck that shit those smelly arab bastards just blow themselves up because they are retarded  :eek:.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6220544 - 10/28/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The West Bank. And until last year, the Gaza Strip.




And under what circumstances did they come to occupy those areas?


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6221275 - 10/28/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Israel has no excuse for occupying the territories and building settlements on land that is not internationally recognized as theirs. Was the Gaza ever recognized as within the borders of Israel? Nope. Never. Is the West Bank recognized as within the borders of Israel? Nope. There is simply no excuse for it.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6221394 - 10/28/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And what countries were those "internationally" recognized parts of?


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6221699 - 10/28/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

brainwashing, anger, and upbringing cause it.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Syle]
    #6221737 - 10/28/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i thimk its the falafels and sexual repression.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6221773 - 10/28/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Jews, Muslims, Christians...they're all murderers.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6221775 - 10/28/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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And what countries were those "internationally" recognized parts of?




Egypt and Jordan, both of which are now on peaceful terms with Israel. What's your point? That because the old myopic governments of these countries decided to attack Israel way back in the late 60's mean that these subsequent territories should forever remain without identity, with its native inhabitants living under an otherly military rule of law? You know, it wouldn't be an issue at all, in the slightest, if Israel had completely annexed the West Bank and Gaza Strip and made the land along with all its inhabitants a part of the Israeli body. Instead what we have here is a society under military occupation.

Finally, Israel itself has never used the Six Day war as an excuse to occupy the territories. Such a diatribe is only applied by extremists, and those who believe the situation in the occupied territories is something that is geopolitically normal.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6221790 - 10/28/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I can solve this. Without foreign aid Palestine couldn't survive. They have no economy whatsoever. Stop giving them money and they will all starve to death. Problem solved.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: robbyberto]
    #6221818 - 10/28/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Completely unethical


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6221863 - 10/28/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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And what countries were those "internationally" recognized parts of?




Egypt and Jordan, both of which are now on peaceful terms with Israel. What's your point? That because the old myopic governments of these countries decided to attack Israel way back in the late 60's mean that these subsequent territories should forever remain without identity, with its native inhabitants living under an otherly military rule of law? You know, it wouldn't be an issue at all, in the slightest, if Israel had completely annexed the West Bank and Gaza Strip and made the land along with all its inhabitants a part of the Israeli body. Instead what we have here is a society under military occupation.

Finally, Israel itself has never used the Six Day war as an excuse to occupy the territories. Such a diatribe is only applied by extremists, and those who believe the situation in the occupied territories is something that is geopolitically normal.  :rolleyes:




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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6221869 - 10/28/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I may very well be unethical to continue to lenable them.

ethics is a fuunny word and if considered quite the paradox.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6222002 - 10/28/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Neither of which want to have any part of the cesspool that the Pallytrogs (Troglestinians?) have made of them. So, just what mystical "internationally recognized" nation do these territories belong to? Rosettaland? KOTTistan?


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6222295 - 10/28/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They belong to a significant population of human beings living in those territories without a nation to call their own. Does it at all, in the slightest, strike you as odd that 99.9% of the world's population has a country to call their own while this segment of human beings does not?


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6222301 - 10/28/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Burkina Faso? Disputed Zone? Who called all of these crazy places!". :grin:

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6222731 - 10/29/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Zappa how do you view the Israeli Palestinian conflict? I am honestly interested to know. You obviously have no empathy for the Palestinian position, I too believe blowing up innocent people is never justified and just flat wrong.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6222923 - 10/29/06 06:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Basilides writes:

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They belong to a significant population of human beings living in those territories without a nation to call their own. Does it at all, in the slightest, strike you as odd that 99.9% of the world's population has a country to call their own while this segment of human beings does not?




Does it not strike you as odd that one day these people called themselves Egyptians or Jordanians, and the next day they called themselves Palestinians? Does it not also strike you as odd that even though these Egyptians and Jordanians appear to absolutely hate living in occupied Egypt or occupied Jordan, they appear to hate even more the thought of moving a few miles to live in unoccupied Egypt and unoccupied Jordan?

Don't try to claim these folks don't have nations to call their own -- they do, and have always had.




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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Luddite]
    #6223126 - 10/29/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect?

From the WiKi:

According to various genetic studies, Jewish populations and Palestinian populations do overlap genetically. Palestinian Muslims additionally have genetic components that are found in the population of the Arabian Peninsula, but are rare in Jews. Ashkenazi Jews also carry components found in European populations, but are rare in Arabs.

Geneticists generally agree there was mixing in Middle East populations in prehistoric times. Nebel et al. (2000) doing Y-chromosome haplotype analysis for patrilineal ancestry of Jews and Palestinian Muslims "revealed a common gene pool for a large portion of Y chromosomes, suggesting a relatively recent common ancestry". The two modal haplotypes that comprise the Palestinian Arab clade were very infrequent among Jews, "reflecting divergence and/or admixture from other populations". Nebel et al. regard their findings in good agreement with historical evidence that suggest that "Part, or perhaps the majority, of the Muslim Arabs in this country descended from local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD... These local inhabitants, in turn, were descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for several centuries, some even since prehistoric times.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

A better question might be: Do the people of that region have a genetic propensity toward belief in an invisible friend as the never-ending conflict, at its core, is about an invisible friend granting both group ownership of the same land.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
    #6223503 - 10/29/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Many people called themselves Palestinians before they were violently kicked out of their lands to give way to a newly created country and many people who migrated there. Many of those Palestinians still have their written property titles as a testimony. Somehow, you seem to ignore this issue.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Luddite]
    #6223671 - 10/29/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Boim: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? 

By Yair Ettinger, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=397851




And that was all i needed to read.

Jews think Palestinians are genetically disposed to terror


Nice Source once again!

Got any Palestinian articles about how jews can smell money with there hook noses?
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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
    #6223759 - 10/29/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Basilides writes:

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They belong to a significant population of human beings living in those territories without a nation to call their own. Does it at all, in the slightest, strike you as odd that 99.9% of the world's population has a country to call their own while this segment of human beings does not?




Does it not strike you as odd that one day these people called themselves Egyptians or Jordanians, and the next day they called themselves Palestinians? Does it not also strike you as odd that even though these Egyptians and Jordanians appear to absolutely hate living in occupied Egypt or occupied Jordan, they appear to hate even more the thought of moving a few miles to live in unoccupied Egypt and unoccupied Jordan?

Don't try to claim these folks don't have nations to call their own -- they do, and have always had.




Phred




I see your point, but these people do not have citizenship in either Egypt or Jordan, and both countries refuse to absorb them. Since Israel also refuses to absorb, what other options is there?


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Aldous]
    #6223794 - 10/29/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Aldous writes:

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Many people called themselves Palestinians before they were violently kicked out of their lands to give way to a newly created country and many people who migrated there.




What country would that be? You can't be referring to Egypt, since that country has existed forever. So you must be referring to the newly created countries of Israel and Jordan. What countries were the occupants of the area which was renamed Jordan "kicked out" of? Answer -- no country. They stayed where they were and their nation started being referred to as Jordan. As for those who had lived in the area which was renamed Israel, they weren't "kicked out" either. Many stayed, others left because they didn't want to stay in a country run by Jews, and they left with the hopes the Jews would be expelled and they could move back then.

So now these people are to be properly referred to as either Jordanians or Israelis, depending where they live at the time (1948).

Starting two decades later, Jordan and Syria and Egypt lose a series of wars of aggression against Israel, losing territory as a consequence. The people living in those occupied territories are faced with a choice: move to other parts of Syria or Jordan or Egypt, or live in a place run by Jews until that land is either recaptured by Syria and Egypt and Jordan or is given up (see Sinai as an example) by the Israelis.

Many of those folks made the sensible decision: they moved to other parts of Jordan and Egypt. How the obstinacy of those who refused to move suddenly grants them the title "Palestinian" escapes me.



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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
    #6224052 - 10/29/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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As for those who had lived in the area which was renamed Israel, they weren't "kicked out" either. Many stayed, others left because they didn't want to stay in a country run by Jews, and they left with the hopes the Jews would be expelled and they could move back then.


Take a look at the Palestinian exodus entry at Wikipedia.
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During the war of 1948, many fled or were expelled from their homes in the part of the land that would become the State of Israel to other parts of the land or to neighbouring countries.
The UN estimates their number at 711,000 [1] while the Israeli estimate of the refugees is 420,000 and the Palestinian estimate is 900,000. The degree to which the flight of the refugees was voluntary or involuntary is hotly debated. Some cases of expulsion are well-documented, such as in Lydda and Ramle.


It seems you candidly forgot a third category: those who were expelled.

One other point. You wrote: "others left because they didn't want to stay in a country run by Jews". This is more correctly phrased than you imagine. The country is run in a racist and theocratic way. For instance, there is no such thing as a civil marriage. Everyone should have a religious wedding in their own religion, and mixed marriages are prohibited (!). (Read this article for some background). Also, you should be a Jew to be granted Israeli citizenship. Etc... So Arabs are discriminated by law in Israel, and that's a fact.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6224060 - 10/29/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed. Those who split hairs over whether there was a "Palestine" before Israel are missing the point. Bottom line, it's wrong for these people to be held under military occupation without having citizenship in any country.

The occupied territories should either:
1. Become an independent nation or nations.
2. Be given back to Egypt and Jordan.
3. Become part of Israel.

It is simply unjust for them to remain under perpetual military occupation.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Aldous]
    #6224284 - 10/29/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Take a look at the Palestinian exodus entry at Wikipedia.




Uh huh. As if Wikipedia is the place to get the scoop on things. However, even Wikipedia grudgingly acknowledges the whole "expulsion" meme is hotly debated.

As for your bullshit about only Jews being allowed to hold Israeli citizenship, you really need to do some research before making your next post. Seriously.



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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6224295 - 10/29/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Bottom line, it's wrong for these people to be held under military occupation without having citizenship in any country.




Why did they not have citizenship in any country in 1967? Are you trying to tell me that Jordan and Egypt and Syria hadn't gotten around by 1967 to granting citizenship to all Jordanians and Egyptians and Syrians? If they hadn't, how is that the fault of Israel?


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    #6224382 - 10/29/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i watched a doco last night about an 'englisnman' of lebanese descent going back to lebanon to revisit his childhood past and while he was driving he mentioned that lebanon has a reputation for being the easiest country in the world to get your drivers licence

they drive straight ahead with two brakes and then in reverse with two breaks,now that might work in the desert but in a western city?
now i really wonder if we have them bastards coming here with an international licence after getting it like that in their homelands

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: quiver]
    #6224649 - 10/29/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

could you elaborate on the two brakes method of driving?


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    #6224790 - 10/29/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:
it took me a sec to work it out too

drive about 100 metres and come to a stop twice and the same in reverse


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
    #6226247 - 10/30/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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However, even Wikipedia grudgingly acknowledges the whole "expulsion" meme is hotly debated.


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Some cases of expulsion are well-documented, such as in Lydda and Ramle.


Another selective read by Phred.
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As for your bullshit about only Jews being allowed to hold Israeli citizenship, you really need to do some research before making your next post. Seriously.


I did not say 'hold', I said 'be granted', meaning 'acquire'. But even then, you're right, I should've researched it, my source was my Jewish ex-girlfriend who apparently got it wrong.
Anyway, you've got to admit that the preferential treatment for Jews regarding immigration and acquisition of citizenship reeks of discrimination, and you didn't even address the rest of my post. Clearly Israeli law is very much based upon race and religion, and blatantly favors Jews.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
    #6228632 - 10/30/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Phred said:
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Bottom line, it's wrong for these people to be held under military occupation without having citizenship in any country.




Why did they not have citizenship in any country in 1967? Are you trying to tell me that Jordan and Egypt and Syria hadn't gotten around by 1967 to granting citizenship to all Jordanians and Egyptians and Syrians? If they hadn't, how is that the fault of Israel?


Phred




They need citizenship somewhere. :shrug:


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Basilides]
    #6228931 - 10/30/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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They need citizenship somewhere.




So what happened? Did Jordan revoke the citizenship of only those Jordanians residing in the West Bank when Jordan lost the war? No... Jordan didn't. Did Egypt revoke the citizenship of only those Egyptians residing in Sinai and the Gaza Strip when Egypt lost the war? No... Egypt didn't.

Why on earth should Israel grant them citizenship? Those folks already HAD citizenship -- of another country.

So what's the deal? The Palis said, "We don't want to retain our Jordanian and/or Egyptian citizenship anymore, because those countries are losers. We hereby secede from those loser countries! Now... someone else give us some new passports, okay?"

Gimme a break.




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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
    #6228967 - 10/30/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Gimme a break.



I'd say the same to you. You're missing the point once again. Israel will not let them go, but will not make them citizens. What concern is it of Israel whether they're an independent country or a part of Egypt or Jordan? What matters is that Israel is occupying an area militarily while neither allowing the people Iraeli citizenship, nor allowing them to govern themselves. It's a simple matter of withdrawing the troops. Or at least, it would be simple if they didn't keep encouraging Israelis to settle in the occupied territories.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
    #6229634 - 10/31/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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They need citizenship somewhere.




So what happened? Did Jordan revoke the citizenship of only those Jordanians residing in the West Bank when Jordan lost the war? No... Jordan didn't. Did Egypt revoke the citizenship of only those Egyptians residing in Sinai and the Gaza Strip when Egypt lost the war? No... Egypt didn't.

Why on earth should Israel grant them citizenship? Those folks already HAD citizenship -- of another country.

So what's the deal? The Palis said, "We don't want to retain our Jordanian and/or Egyptian citizenship anymore, because those countries are losers. We hereby secede from those loser countries! Now... someone else give us some new passports, okay?"

Gimme a break.




Phred




I just want to see them have citizenship anywhere, whether it is Israel, Egypt or Jordan. Unfortunately all three countries do not want them, so the only viable solution is an independent nation state in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6229923 - 10/31/06 07:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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You're missing the point once again. Israel will not let them go, but will not make them citizens.




No, it is you who misses the point. To say "Israel will not let them go" is utter nonsense. Israel has never prevented Jordanians from leaving the West Bank to live elsewhere in Jordan, nor has Israel ever prevented Egyptians from leaving Gaza (and earlier, Sinai) to live elsewhere in Egypt. But if those folks want to stay in Gaza or the West Bank, they stay as Jordanians and Egyptians. By what twisted logic does it become Israel's responsibility to issue new passports to those people?



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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
    #6229954 - 10/31/06 07:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When you say "elsewhere in Jordan" (speaking about the West Bank) or "elsewhere in Egypt" (speaking about Gaza), do you imply these territories belong to Jordan and Egypt, respectively?

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Aldous]
    #6230278 - 10/31/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

To the best of my knowledge, Jordan has never officially acknowledged the loss of the West Bank. Atlases for decades shaded both the West Bank and Gaza (and earlier Sinai) with crosshatching and labeled them "disputed territories". As a matter of fact, go to any atlas today and check the borders of Israel.

Egypt accepted the return of Sinai when it was de-occupied, but for some strange reason doesn't want to take back the Gaza Strip. Maybe it's because those Egyptians who were living there before the wars (who have magically transmuted themselves into Palestinians) are now unattractive to the Egyptian government? I don't know.



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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Phred]
    #6231062 - 10/31/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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As a matter of fact, go to any atlas today and check the borders of Israel.


So you do acknowledge Israel is occupying and colonizing a foreign territory?

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6231803 - 10/31/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Gimme a break.



I'd say the same to you. You're missing the point once again. Israel will not let them go, but will not make them citizens. What concern is it of Israel whether they're an independent country or a part of Egypt or Jordan? What matters is that Israel is occupying an area militarily while neither allowing the people Iraeli citizenship, nor allowing them to govern themselves. It's a simple matter of withdrawing the troops. Or at least, it would be simple if they didn't keep encouraging Israelis to settle in the occupied territories.




What, you're not allowed to keep territory conquered in a war now? Here's the simple hard ugly facts. Jordan wouldn't take it back if you paid them. Neither would Egypt. Shitholes populated by shitheads, outspoken about their desire to completely eradicate Israel. The only people who have claim to the territory now are Jordanians and Israelis, not the stateless squatters. Syria can fuck off, they're never getting the Golan Heights back. When your enemy tells you he wants to murder you, you are obliged to listen to him. The recent elections should send a clear message. As to your utterly ignorant assertion that they are encouraging people to settle in the occupied territories, you really need to pay better attention. Those days are long gone.
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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6231851 - 10/31/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I actually agree, Muslims are really starting to get on my last nerve. While the state of Israel is a sham to me(if by war is how you gain land, Jews deserve nothing, just going by your assesment, not saying Jews actually deserve nothing), they have built a decent country(on America's dime) but none the less they are civilized, and generally want peace.

I think Israel should give Palestine one last chance, get out of their land, stop blocking roads and ports, and let them do their own thing. The second the Palestinians attack again.....well game over. I don't think Israel is/has given Palestine a fair chance. They sit their and rule them pretty much and get mad when Palestine doesn't want to take it.

The whole situation is messed up, Israel should just re locate to California already and get away from these fanatics, lol.


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6231885 - 10/31/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The whole region was carved out of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. Every border there is a spoil of war.


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    #6231899 - 10/31/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Israel was carved out after WW1?


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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6232008 - 10/31/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Israel has existed for thousands of years, long before Islam existed. Occasionally it was conquered and named something else, but the Jews always owned every last bit of land in Israel forever! Palestine is not an Arab name. It is a Roman name that was given to the Jewish land. Palestine came from the word Philistine which means land of the Jews.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Luddite]
    #6232022 - 10/31/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't believe Philistine means "land of the Jews".

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Luddite]
    #6232031 - 10/31/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You never cease to amaze me with your vast knowlege.

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Re: Is Palestinian terror caused by a genetic defect? [Re: Luddite]
    #6234047 - 11/01/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Palestine came from the word Philistine which means land of the Jews.


That's wrong by all accounts. The Philistines were the first people inhabiting the area, and they were NOT the Jewish people. I remember somewhere in the story of David and Goliath, the Jews were badmouthing this "uncut Philistine" (Goliath).

Anyway, events from millennia ago should not interfere with present politics.

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