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Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects
    #6214514 - 10/26/06 05:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Here's a few projects we've been working on lately. I like to grill Shiitake, so I've found that by pruning most of the pins off a substrate block, the remaining fruits grow huge and just right for the BBQ grill, without effecting the total harvest at all. Rub a bit of blue cheese or Ceasars dressing into the gills, olive oil into the cap, and slap it on the grill. mmmmmm good. The sharpie is a full size, 6" one just for size comparison. They're as big or bigger than most grocery store portabellos.

The pint jars of Shiitake were grown in a terrarium with perlite humidification. As you can see, they fruited even before the mycelium turned brown. Proper cold shocking and pinning strategy will deliver flushes of shiitake within thirty days of spawning to sawdust.

The Hericium is from a clone I took last year and transferred to slants to store in the refrigerator. The key with cloning is to get lots of clones from wild fruits so you can find the one(s) that work best in artificial conditions.

The G oregonese is from a clone taken last summer the day a dumb ass sheriff deputy gave me a ticket for passing him on a dirt road. He was pissed that he had to breathe my dirt, but the butt was going ten miles per hour under the speed limit so I passed him. Anyway, I named this one the 'barney fife' strain and it's the best reishi fruiting strain I have..lol

All of these are growing on the same substrate mix that is Alder sawdust, wheat bran and gypsum. No woodchips were used.
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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6214749 - 10/26/06 06:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6214759 - 10/26/06 06:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6215371 - 10/26/06 09:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Nice work RR, happy mushooms and people.  :smile:


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: falcon]
    #6216826 - 10/27/06 07:28 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Beautiful grows you've got there.

When do you pick the Hericium fruits. Is the one in the picture ready? How do you prepare Hericium?


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: Owl]
    #6216869 - 10/27/06 07:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

wonderfull, thank you for share your pics with our crazy community :smile:

how do you explain the 2 jars of L.edodes fruited when the mycelium was still whitish?

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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: FreeSporePrints]
    #6217395 - 10/27/06 11:29 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for sharing RR, I love seeing your projects.


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: phalcon005]
    #6217425 - 10/27/06 11:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

beauteful grow and nice chunky reishi you got there. did you have to boost the RH to 100+ % for that shape of growth?


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: zeegos]
    #6217473 - 10/27/06 11:56 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The hericium picture was taken just before harvest. That batch went into some spaghetti sauce I made last night. Just cook them like any mushroom, then toss into the sauce.

Getting shiitake to fruit early is all about timing. I watch the jars or spawn bags closely and give them two days past full colonization, then toss into the refrigerator for two weeks. After the two weeks of cold shock, place in a bucket of cold water overnight to soak, then immediately put into fruiting conditions. They begin to pin almost by the next day. Humidity is cycled between 70% and 100%, and the blocks are removed from the greenhouse every second day and washed under the kitchen faucet with a forcefull stream of water. This washes the trichoderma spores off before they have a chance to germinate and grow. I use this procedure for all sawdust/woodchip blocks that are exposed. It works wonders.

The reishi blocks are located over the output of the coolmist humidifier so a misting fog blows on them anytime the humidifier is running. By cutting a + shaped slit in the bag instead of unwrapping it, conks are encouraged to form instead of antlers.
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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6217652 - 10/27/06 01:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You sure are a luxury-loving shroom gourmet  :thumbup:
Good job! IMO you are a very good cultivator.


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: Semilanceata]
    #6217767 - 10/27/06 01:56 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't seen anyone grow edibles on here as good as RR :dancingshroom:


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: VampireSlayer]
    #6217861 - 10/27/06 02:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: shirley knott]
    #6217920 - 10/27/06 03:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Questions:

-Why do you cold shock the blocks for so long time?

-Why cold shock and then soak and not the opposite?

-Can you explain better the cycle for the humidity?
-How can you lower the rate of humidty until 70%?

-When you wash the blocks with tap water you wear gloves?
-Doesn't the pressure of the water damage the mycelium of the block?

Thank you :smile:


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: FreeSporePrints]
    #6218304 - 10/27/06 05:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Nice stuff Roger. How was the ease for growing the Hericium? Just like an Oyster more or less? I've read a page where a woman was simply growing them in her kitchen in a spawn bag with a hole in the bottom of it. No humidity or nothing as far as artificial enviroments. Do you think this could work for Hericium? Basically open air fruiting from a spawn bag?


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: Hotnuts]
    #6219522 - 10/28/06 12:27 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't try hericium in the open air, but they are pretty easy to grow. They'll dry out if in too low humidity. I prefer to fruit them from the top of the bag instead of a hole or holes in the sides. About a week after full colonization, simply cut a few slits in the bag above the substrate level. The fruits should come soon thereafter. No cold shocking is necessary. When the fruits get about golf ball to tennis ball size, cut the rest of the top off the bag to give them more air exchange as they grow out. At this point, place into a greenhouse or other high humidity location.

On the Shiitake, I cold shock first, then soak. The long cold shock while dry signals the block to pin while still totally white. The dunk/soak just before fruits come ensures the substrate is fully hydrated for the flush and doesn't dry out.

This combination gives fruits much faster than any other, provided you cycle the humidity. I cycle the humidity as said, by simply putting the humidifiers on two timers in series. The humidifier is plugged into a cycle timer, set for four minutes on, followed by ten minutes off. This timer is downstream of a timer set for five hours on, two hours off. The five hours on allows the cycle timer to bring the humidity up very high, before the two hours off time starts, which lets the humidity drop to 70% or less, then the whole cycle repeats.

The combination of the long cold shock, and the cycling humidity makes the Shiitake just explode. It also seems to cut way down on trichoderma.

Washing the Shiitake blocks under running water doesn't hurt them in any way, even after pins form. I even use that sprayer on a hose next to the faucet, to really blast them. I don't wear gloves for this. It's not necessary.
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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6220396 - 10/28/06 09:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hi Mr Rabbit

If you can do this strategy with shiitake is because you probably have a wide temp or hot temp strain. I don't think this could work with a cold temp strain. Some strains need to be incubated like 4 months. Those strains usually give higher quality mushrooms.

Would be interesting that you sow us the third, fourth and fifth flushes.

Also would be interesting that you show us the gills part of those shiitake.

The Hericium look more like an Hericium Coralloides than an Hericium Erinaceus?

From the Hericium blocks do you expect getting all the flushes from the top parts of them?

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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6220412 - 10/28/06 10:05 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Good god!  :smile2:

Do you mind my asking just how much space, in square feet, you devote to incubators, fruiting chambers, refrig for cultures/cold shocking?  Looking nice.  :thumbup:

I need to play with my shiitake syringe and some agar now....  :dancing:


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: GnuBobo]
    #6221300 - 10/28/06 05:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I have three shelving units that run from floor to ceiling with just enough vertical space between each shelf for quart jars. This allows me to have up to 2,000 quart jars colonizing at any given time. The colonizing quart jars heat my entire condo in the winter. Two refrigerators are used for cold shocking, plus a small 'dorm' type refrigerator is dedicated for storage of cultures.

One room of the house is devoted to growing areas/greenhouse.

The quickest way to learn the hobby is to grow out ten times as much grain spawn as you know you'll be able to fruit, then try something different with each one. Keep notes. This is how I came up with the tek to produce shiitake before the blocks turn brown. Timing is everything.

micolo, this is not a hot weather shiitake strain. I also have a few of those from Nigeria, but have never been happy with the flavor or yield, so I don't use those cultures anymore. The isolated shiitake strain I'm using is the Shiitake 75 from www.alohamedicinals.com John Holliday was kind enough to send me some cultures to work on grow teks. The Hericium is indeed Erinaceus.
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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6221467 - 10/28/06 06:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Is it possible that you show us the third, fourth and fifth flushes?
Also would be interesting that you show us the gills part of those shiitake (the opposite side of the caps). 6 or 7 mush would be good.
After what you said, from the Hericium blocks do you expect getting all the flushes (usualy about 5) from the top parts of them?


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Re: Hericium, Shiitake, and Reishi projects [Re: micololo2]
    #6221505 - 10/28/06 07:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I maybe missunderstood but as you said you use space for 2000 quarts of spawn. Each quart is good for inoculate 1 sub bag. So it means you probably grow thousands of them. Is it possible to see your growing room with all those sub bags. How do you shock so many bags with only 2 fridg?
I can imagine the job of cleaning thousands of quarts!

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