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 kjb1891
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 Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? 
#6214217 - 10/26/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know this will vary depending on a number of variables, but in your experiences how many flushes do you usually get from a bulk grow?
Edited by kjb1891 (10/27/06 05:36 PM)
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Re: Number of Casings From Bulk Substrates? [Re: kjb1891]
#6214288 - 10/26/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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In my experience you will get 80% of your total yield in the first two flushes. There after I have found the flushes to be sparse.
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Re: Number of Casings From Bulk Substrates? [Re: Wronguy]
#6214580 - 10/26/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was just wondering. I figured if you kept dunking and recasing between flushes you could get quite a few flushes. Of course I knew the large majority of the weight would be in the first few.
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Re: Number of Casings From Bulk Substrates? [Re: kjb1891]
#6214620 - 10/26/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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how thick do you usually make your substrate layers?
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Re: Number of Casings From Bulk Substrates? [Re: Spanielmander]
#6215225 - 10/26/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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After the first two flushes I usually will only get a few scattered mushrooms,some of them do get pretty large though and are worth waiting for
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Re: Number of Casings From Bulk Substrates? [Re: Blutjager]
#6215253 - 10/26/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You might want to edit your thread title to show number of flushes, not number of casings.
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Re: Number of Casings From Bulk Substrates? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6218604 - 10/27/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh thanks RR. I didn't even realize I typed it wrong.
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Re: Number of Casings From Bulk Substrates? [Re: kjb1891]
#6218673 - 10/27/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Currently on flush #3. Appears that each flush is about 30-40% less than the previous flush. I have not dunked or patched after each flush. After this 3rd one, I will do both to see if #4 will beat 2 and 3.
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Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: zathan]
#6219447 - 10/27/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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80% of the fruits will come from the first two flushes. In my experience, maximum yields per square foot will come from having a new project ready to begin first flush to replace any tray that has flushed twice. It's easy to get three and four flushes, but the real estate in your FC is better used for two and out.
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Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6219617 - 10/27/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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some have luck with many flushes. when fruiting off bulk sub i wouldnt do anymore than three. i find it to be a waste of time. some may disagree but to each his own.
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Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: rackemwillie]
#6219710 - 10/27/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have 9 bulk containers of 5 pounds each , 7 cased and 2 uncased that have all gone a minimum of 3 , except for one that has only gone 2 , that I have been keeping track of .
This is a fourth flush off a cased bulk that I harvested a few hours ago
fruits were rather big for a sub that's already put out 1,694 grams wet 
I'll post the results when all flushes are done . I'll try to let them go till they have nothing left . Space permitting . I could just fire up another green house if they don't finish soon . 
Here's an uncased one . It's starting flush number 5 . I decided to cut it in quarters . It had mostly pinned and fruited from the outside edge . Figured they were drawing the nutes from the center . If there are any nutes left , thought they might be closer to the center . Why not expose that surface to light and see what happens . Not like it has to colonize a casing layer or anything . Just some light and oxygen ought to do the trick . I hope , lol . We'll see
seems to be still pinning some
 
and I don't need the space just yet .
The results might surprise ya a little 
The 2 fourth flushes combined for 811 grams wet . A little over 3 dry ounces . I would have hated to have tossed that away 
It's hard to toss things out after getting 80% over the first 2 flushes unless you know what you are trying to get 80% of .
80% of 100 is 80 .
80% 0f 250 is 200 .
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Edited by HippieChick (10/28/06 01:04 AM)
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 Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: HippieChick]
#6220075 - 10/28/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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 wow, Hippie,...wow
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Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: student9]
#6220324 - 10/28/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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True, but in that same time you could have replaced that with a fresh one and got started on another 80% of either 100 or 250, increasing your total yield considerably. It really doesn't matter with hobby grows anyway, but in the commercial field where yield per square foot makes the difference between profit and going out of buisiness, it counts.
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Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6220560 - 10/28/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
True, but in that same time you could have replaced that with a fresh one and got started on another 80% of either 100 or 250, increasing your total yield considerably. It really doesn't matter with hobby grows anyway, but in the commercial field where yield per square foot makes the difference between profit and going out of buisiness, it counts.
RR
Good thing it doesn't really matter with hobby grows as I would have tossed the 4,237 wet grams the 3rd and 4th flushes have prodeuced , as of yet , or over 30% of the total yield to date , and there are two more harvest ready right now . I have one casing that produced 901 grams wet on flushes 1 and 2 , while 1206 grams wet on flushes 3 and 4 . So flushes 1 and 2 have produced 43% of the total yield to date , and flushes 3 and 4 57% . Glad I didn't toss that one either .
It's great how everyone talks about this magical 80% of yield in the first 2 flushes number that commercial growers get . They also hire illegal immigrants to work the harvest .
I , myself , would like to see what us hobbiest are getting , before I even consider tossing casings after the second flush , and hiring illegal immigrants to do the harvest , and making my sub depths 8" deep with a 2" casing layer . Things that also seem to work for commercial growers but not hobbiest .
I , myself was on this band wagon awhile back before I actually decided to check it out for myself instead of just following blindly . Kinda' like adding bloodmeal and such to subs , or using coir as a casing layer , or etc. etc .
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If it doesn't matter in hobby grows , rather only commercial , why are we talking about it like it matters to us , didn't know we had too many "commercial" growers on here .
IME . I'd finding it just not to be the case .
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Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: HippieChick]
#6220633 - 10/28/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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A ha ha I wish I grew enough mushrooms to hire migrant workers to tend to them for me 
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Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: Blutjager]
#6220828 - 10/28/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll have to find out if mrs rabbit has a green card or not.
Peace all. That's the beauty of a discussion board. We can all put in our experiences for others to make their own decisions from. It's the total body of knowledge that advances our art to the next level.
My experience comes from living 50 miles directly downwind from one of the largest temperate rain forests in the northern hemisphere with trichoderma spore loads that average 50,000 to 200,000 particles per square foot nearly year around. Those of you in other climates may get much different performance.
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Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6220874 - 10/28/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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That rain must start to get to ya . I camped in a rainforest for a week and everything was so danp , constantly . Not like Jamaica where it rained everyday for a month but then the sun would come out and the Trade winds would dry everything off
I'm finding in my 2 years , I might actually atsrt waiting for some proof , evidence , or at least some numbers before I hop on board all the circling band wagons .
Have a great day with the Mrs ,
Enjoy the rain
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Re: Number of Flushes From Bulk Substrates? [Re: HippieChick]
#6221525 - 10/28/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd imagine that substrate depth would probablly have a lot to do with the number of flushes and the yield from those later flushes. A bulk grow with a 8in substrate would most likely have a higher % of the total yield and many more flushes than a grow with a 4in substrate.
What do you guys think?
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