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how to spot a 'never should'
    #621209 - 04/28/02 12:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i think that a few well-planned trips will be of benefit to almost everyone.  i think the construction/weaving work we're doing would pick up its pace if more people got involved.  i used to like the acid-in-the-water-supply idea, but then i started meeting eraserheads.  eraserheads seem to be unable to come back from the Real, and they have an air of the demonic in them - chaotic, selfish, and confused, fallen from the light.  they should never have been dosed.  now i don't think it's a good idea to dose at random, but for the most part i do want to introduce my friends to the Real.  however, i've known quite a few people whose spiritual gifts pre-psych outweighed what mine are now, and who didn't want to try it because they were afraid they'd get stuck.  i never pressure those people, because i think they're probably right, but then again they might just blast off and evolve into something truly amazing if they got more of the story.

so here's my question - how can you identify people who shouldn't trip?  people who are going to get stuck and screw themselves and the rest of us when their mind can't get a foot back into the door at Normal World Headquarters?  unstable types also tend to be artistic and gifted, and in many cases psych revelations can liberate them from their emotional turmoil and make them stronger.  but then again sometimes they just go schizo.  how do you tell?  can we tell?  can i tell which type i am? :smile:

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Re: how to spot a 'never should' [Re: JustFootsteps]
    #621260 - 04/28/02 01:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Good question... no perfect answer.

{{Note: I don't think entheogens are NECESSARY to wake up, but I think they do quicken the process if it is going to happen.}}

As for the dosing of eraserheads (hehe... nice term), it's sometimes almost impossible to spot them. I think it all has to do with ego. There are some that just will never open up completely because they are afraid to confront themselves. These people would benefit from some serious psychoanalysis with a professional. And I'm not just talking about the crazies either. In fact, I'm talking about most people.

Like the matrix... choosing the red pill is choosing to see a bigger glimpse of the self. Opening the door (the Oracle scene) is a totally different story. Many (not the majority though) will take the red pill, but they will be too scared to go through the door (I also don't think there are people that are inherently evil... they're just scared. So that whole Judas-plot with "Cyber" was kinda weak for me.). That sums up eraserheads.

I think it is good to prime pre-entheogenic explorers before they take the red pill. I'll talk about this later. Now, pre-entheogen people (I'm assuming eraserheads don't arise until after an entheogenic experience) are easier to analyze for eraserheadicity.
The mentality that would lead to an eraserhead is easily spotted: Fear of the unknown- this can manifest itself in multiple ways. I think this is the biggest problem facing everybody. This is the fundamental roadblock of a developing mind. There are ways to get around it (i.e. specialization), but that is only avoiding the problem. The best way is to blast straight through the barrier- once this is done completely, it is my conviction that one never reverts.

Now, to the priming... Unfortunately, there is no efficient way of mass producing primed pre-explorers. It must be done on an individual basis. Basically, spending time with the person and forming a bond with them. Since you are having to invest much time with the person, it is best to choose wisely whom you wish to prime. Until we are the majority (probably never), it is unfortunate that we must pick apt pupils. Don't be a TEACHER... be a friend. Do not tell.... SHOW. Asking questions is a good way of passing along a thought.

God, this sounds somewhat egocentric. But it works. If you have an open mind before the exploration, then the exploration will be much more fulfilling. If the mind is not open prior to the experience, the experience will either reinforce the dogma (eraserhead) or it will blow them away (hello Charter).

Note: In desperate need of a cure...

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Re: how to spot a 'never should' [Re: JustFootsteps]
    #621261 - 04/28/02 01:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i think that, as you said, a few well-planned trips will be of benefit to almost everyone. the people who i *don't* consider it a benefit to are only those with below-average intelligence, who would simply be unable to grasp any relatively confusing metaphysical concepts. the key - and this is definitely the most important factor - is *a few well-planned trips*. meaning, when they are in that vulnerable state, the right suggestions enter their brain. for some people, their experiences and nature allows them to suggest to themselves the correct thoughts, but for others, they are pre-disposed to "realise" less helpful things. this is where your "eraserhead" comes from. for one reason or another these people were not guided correcty during their psychedelic experiments, and as a result they have become, even though they may be of above-average intelligence, like those beings who are simply unable to realise/accept the words written on that big wall at the end of the yellow brick road.

a solution? i keep having thoughts of a sort of psychedelic monastery where people come to trip, and which is maintained by psychedelic priests of the Real, who are there to subtly, or not so subtly, as their intuition suggests, guide their students towards their own positive, life-affirming thoughts of the Real. kinda like an accelerated zen training camp.

but i always wonder about the wisdom in turning any sort of spiritual path into an institution.. spirituality being an absolutely personal and individual experience, i worry that trying to organize it in a way that makes it available for everyone might ruin it instead. plus, what of the "teachers"? how could we be sure that they will always be guiding the students towards thoughts that are best suited for their own realization and integration of the Real into their Normal lives?

well, whatever, i think that people with strong minds and a strong will to live and to understand the truth are capable of making positive realizations on their own and then following through in the Normal in a rational manner. people who possess some but not all of these qualities are capable of benefiting from their psychedelic voyages with a bit of guidance. the people who would not benefit would be those whose inner guilt outweighs their inner strength, those who simply are incapable of, or do not have any desire for, understanding. that's all i can think to say right now. bye.


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Re: how to spot a 'never should' [Re: JustFootsteps]
    #621271 - 04/28/02 01:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

No way to tell. To do otherwise would be to judge. Suck 'em an' see.


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