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how do THC masker drinks work?
    #6202432 - 10/23/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

you know how you gotta stop smoking for 2 days before the drink will work?

why is that?

what happens in those two days that makes the chemicals in the drink active?


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: agoutihead]
    #6202990 - 10/23/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know anything about those marketed "clean" drinks and whatnot that people buy, but one thing I do know is Asparin is mysteriously good for passing UA's.

When I was younger, I did just about everything to maintain my pothead habits, including refusing to stop smoking or even let up over the course of my one year on probation. I never got a PV even though I must have had over 150 UA's. How?

One hour before the UA, pop 5-6 Aspirin. Drink a moderate ammount of water... not to much though, just enough to get the Aspirin coming out your dick (or whatever you use) when you go pee.

Just to let you know, I have no idea how this effects your health, it made me have hot flashes and dreamy spells. Probly isn't a good idea but it seemed worth it to me at the time.


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: agoutihead] * 1
    #6203110 - 10/23/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

First of all a few facts. Most drug tests actually detect the metabolites produced when the substance is broken down by the body, not the substance itself. A little while after you smoke, THC and other substances begin to be broken down in the body, producing these metabolites, the garbage that is left over. The metabolites will be filtered out of the body somewhat slowly and for two days or so after smoking, there will be a fairly large amount of metabolites in the bloodstream and therefore in the bodily wastes.

But after two days or so, most of the metabolites have been naturally washed from the system, but some remains dissolved in the fat tissues. If you are a track athlete with close to 0% body fat, you would probably pass a test at this point, because there is so little fat in your body to hold on to the metabolites. But if you are a normal person, those fat cells will slowly release a trickle of metabolites into your bloodstream for a month or so, making you a marked man (or woman). I know, it sucks!

These drinks normally are not "masking" agents at all. The amount of metabolites being released in your system is pretty steady. Drinking water days before a test will not help clean them out any faster, but if you drink a lot of water an hour (or so) before the test, you will dilute your urine enough that the amount of metabolites is below the threshold for failure. If the test is one of these cheapy "at home" types, it is probably not sensitive enough to react to a specific threshold, but if you dilute enough you probably pass.

The only problem with dilution is that your urine will be totally clear and not contain the bits of protein and stuff that is normally in urine. No color will sometimes cause the test to be rejected on the spot or called a failure just because it is "inconclusive". You probably couldn't get fired for giving dilute urine, but you may be asked to take the test again. If you are doing it for parole or something, dilute urine could probably get you in big trouble, especially if every sample is clear. You also have to remember that you might have to wait to take the test. I have been in situations where I drank so much water that I could barely make it to the test room without pissing myself. If you end up waiting ten minutes or so it could get miserable. And if you ask where the bathroom is, they'll probably tell you to wait for your test.

So, what do the drinks actually do, besides dilute your urine a bit? The drinks contain B-vitamins, which is exactly what makes urine yellow. If you take several hundred percent of a daily dose, you'll piss yellow no matter how water logged you are. Also, they probably have creatine, which is a protein that labs check for, because it is normally in urine.

But the drinks do have at least one more secret ingredient. It is not really secret at all, because if you read the nutritional info on the bottle, you will see that the drink probably has like 300% of a daily suggested intake of dietary fiber. Basically, it is a really expensive Metamucil. THC and its metabolites are fat soluble, which means that they are mainly cleared out of the body through the bowels. Only a small amount of THC metabolites actually get into the urine, but the vast majority are absorbed by bile acids in the bloodstream and carried to the bowels where they are excreted as one of the many wonderful things in feces. BUT, this process can only work if there is enough fiber n the colon to absorb these impurities. Fiber is like a sponge that soaks up the impurity laden bile acids.

So, by putting a large dose of easily absorbable fiber into your stomach, you soak up the small amount of metabolites that are being delivered to your bloodstream for a few hours. By drinking about 40 oz of liquid (usually the drink is 20 oz and they tell you to refill with water and drink that 30 minutes later or whatever) you dilute the sample just enough for insurance, and the vit-B and creatine help prevent the rightly feared sample reject.

Now there are also masking agents that you put directly in a sample. I have no idea how they work, but I have never heard anything good about them. Probably very detectable. I would never use. The ultimate really is to have a real, clean urine sample concealed on yourself with some way of assuring it is at proper temp. If you are doing a test for a job or something like that, you are almost assured privacy for the test, so you don't even need anything too elaborate to "dispense" the sample into the cup. There are products out there that are prosthetic "peeing machines" made for delivering a sample under scrutiny. The Urinator and The Whizzinator are two I know of off hand, check out their websites,


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: coctyle]
    #6203133 - 10/23/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

BY the way, I think that aspirin thing worked awhile ago, but the tests have been changed to prevent that 'problem'.


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: coctyle]
    #6203305 - 10/23/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You can mix + drink Certo or Sur-jel 1.5-2 hours before your test... you can get it at the grocery store. Its fruit pectin used to make jelly. You drink a whole package, then drink a shitload of water up until your test (you wanna have pissed at least once before you test). This lasts for about 3-4 hours after ingestion. Its common sense as well to stop smoking 1-2 days before the test... and to be drinking shitloads of water + high juice % cranberry juice during this time as well. Eatting the certo on an emptish stomach should help too, so it wont get caught up on food.

Method: The powder gels up your bladder and intestine walls... preventing any THC or metabolites from entering the bladder. While this is geled, a good wash through + piss of water gets out whatever you already have in there, and its geled up so none can get back in until the gel wears away (about 3-4 hours after you first eat it)

I'd imagine a lot of commercial cleaners\maskers work by similar mechanisms. Cleaning out the tract long enough to pass through some contaminate free urine before more metabolites work their way back into the bladder. Hope this helps!  :mushroom2:


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: SDP]
    #6203385 - 10/23/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not refuting the Pectin Sur-Jel method because it seemed to work for one of my friends but I have also tried that on several occasions and each time I did the test returned diluted which landed me back in court and treatment.


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: sacred_mushroom]
    #6203424 - 10/23/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not refuting the Pectin Sur-Jel method because it seemed to work for one of my friends but I have also tried that on several occasions and each time I did the test returned diluted which landed me back in court and treatment.




Lame... what a pain in the ass :confused:


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And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do
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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: SDP]
    #6203597 - 10/23/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah it was a nightmare but it was my juvenile foolishness that landed me on probation in the first place so I own up to that.

Never again.. Ever!  :tongue2:


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: sacred_mushroom]
    #6203664 - 10/23/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Honestly I just took a creatine supplement, a b-complex vitamin, and drank a shitload of water. My piss had a weird greenish tint to it but the guy didn't say anything. He accepted it and a week later I found out I passed. Now that I think of it, I wonder if it was even a real drug test...


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: agoutihead]
    #6204234 - 10/23/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

In my experience the best way to pass a test is not to smoke. Yeah, quite simple, huh? I've done many pills, many drinks, and whatnot.
BULLSHIT!!!!!
Who knows? You may get lucky... but in my experience it has all been diluted samples, positives, or....!!!!




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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: ParanoidAndroid]
    #6205506 - 10/24/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

gee willikers batman, i never thought of not smoking.... fuck that, its our lives and we should live them how we want.

if that is really your dumb answer, please dont respond anymore.

coctyle, your answer on the other hand was VERY informative and very worthwhile, i thank you for the time.

i really like the whizzinator... my dude will probably end up just getting that. fuck the drinks and everything else.


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Edited by agoutihead (10/24/06 09:50 AM)


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: agoutihead]
    #6205568 - 10/24/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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agoutihead said:
gee willikers batman, i never thought of not smoking.... fuck that, its our lives and we should live them how we want.

if that is really your dumb answer, please dont respond anymore.

coctyle, your answer on the other hand was VERY informative and very worthwhile, i thank you for the time.

i really like the whizzinator... my dude will probably end up just getting that. fuck the drinks and everything else.




That's actually good advice though. I love to get high, but I can stop for a month if it means passing an employment drug test. It's really the 100% method of passing drug tests.

It is "our lives and we should live them how we want", but who ever said this world is the way it SHOULD be? When your choices are smoke and take a chance at getting busted on your UA or abstain for at least a couple weeks and have a good chance of passing, MANY sensible people will choose some self-restraint. I'd even say that restraining oneself every now and again makes you a better person. Hell, I'll quit smoking from time to time for no better reason than to reinforce to myself that I still can.

Besides the methods already listed, taking niacin seems to really help. I've passed employment tests and so has my wife by cutting back some two weeks before the test, and not smoking at all one week before. During that last week we would take niacin at about 200 mg every night with a decent amount of water. It seems to help flush everything out faster, so you can smoke more leading up to the test.

When my buddy had UAs every week on Wednesday, he'd smoke after the test through Friday nights (get HELLA high from waiting all week too) and then drink lots of water and take niacin till the next Wednesday.


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: SilentG]
    #6207293 - 10/24/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

ive heard of this niacin... anyone else use it?

how exactly does it work?


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: SilentG]
    #6207333 - 10/24/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Don't get me wrong, quitting for 4 to 6 weeks is definately the best option, and I should have emphasized that, but I pretty much assume that if someone is asking for advice on this subject that they don't have that much time. Or they just want to be informed for a time when that situation comes up.

But I would still work to clean out the system during that time. Water is not going to do it, although you need to drink enough water, just so your systems are healthy and working properly, but water will not flush it out. High fiber will help. You probably want to get some kind of colon-cleansing product from a health store like GNC. Fat-soluable metabolites are eliminated through the colon, so forget about torturing your bladder three weeks before the test.

And even after that, I would still take a decent, but not huge, dose of B12 and drink a moderately elevated amount of water all day before the test. Too much B12 will give you glow-in-the-dark pee, as mentioned above, so don't go nuts. I really don't think creatine is necesary if you are not really diluting to any extreme degree, but there are body-builder shakes and stuff with creatine, so its not a big deal if you want to get some.

If you have smoked heavily for a long time and have a moderate to high body fat content, you can still be pumping out metabolites for longer than that. Soemthing I saw onvce listed the detection time for THC at 4 to 12 weeks. Twelve weeks is certainly extreme, but if your metabolism is slow, that could be possible.


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: coctyle]
    #6208468 - 10/24/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

All I did was share my experience.  I am not telling anyone how to live their lives.  Fucking hell! :rolleyes:

As they say "Hindsight is 20/20"


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: ParanoidAndroid]
    #6208516 - 10/24/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I was on probation and took niacin once.  took like 20 pills and had a 6 hour hotflash.  This was a week or so before my test.  I said, "Fuck Niacin!!"  the way I always succeeded was with brute force.  I would sit in a sauna with a gallon of cranberry juice for several hours.  this worked every time.  I know that THC is fat soluble, and not water soluble, so I don't know why this worked but it did.  also, what coctyle said about water and b vitamins is dead on.  the water will dilute anything in your system, and the b vitamins turn your pee yellow so as to not arouse suspicion.  I dreaded the idea of giving up weed cuz its the only thing that keeps me mellow and focused.  this is kinda grose, but another thing you can doo is pee clean into a bottle and freeze it, then when you have to piss, just prepare a sample ahead of time.  if you keep it under your nutsack it will be the perfect temp in about an hour. :piss:  :piss:  :piss:  :piss:  :piss:  :piss:  :piss:


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: ToTheExtreme, LOL]
    #6208579 - 10/24/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

My main gripe with the drinks and pills is they contain bogus ingredients along with niacin and vitamin B12.

A waste of money if you ask most people I know...


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Re: how do THC masker drinks work? [Re: agoutihead]
    #6209183 - 10/25/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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agoutihead said:
ive heard of this niacin... anyone else use it?

how exactly does it work?




Niacin's a fairly cheap vitamin sold at health stores. I'd suggest buying something close to 200 mg pills. My wife's taken the 500 mg pills and it turns her into "lobster girl" with bright red skin and a full blown fever.

They basically make your body burn a lot hotter and purge toxins faster. I'm no expert, so this is my best explanation. A couple hundred mg a night for several days will really help you purge your system. Always drink plenty of water too and exercise as well. The B12 and massive water flush right before is a good plan also. Between all these steps you've probably just greatly improved your chances of passing. I'd estimate that it cuts your necessary quitting time down to a little over a week if you've been smoking regularly. This varies according to a lot of factors previously mentioned. I'm assuming an average weight dude with an average metabolism who smoking a couple times a day but not to crazy extremes. This is all based on my personal experiences though - so be careful.


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