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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: AJ4U]
    #6207424 - 10/24/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

If you are really ok about these things then no one can bring you down. Including yourself. :heart:


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: Icelander]
    #6233257 - 10/31/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Interestingly enough another neighbor and friend committed suicide a few days ago. He drank himself to death in a very short period of time. He was determined to get out of my neighborhood. I'm starting to think people don't like me.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Edited by Icelander (10/31/06 10:14 PM)

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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: Icelander]
    #6234070 - 11/01/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Just remember, the factor common to all of your unhealthy and unsatisfactory relationships is you.


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: cloudtop]
    #6234184 - 11/01/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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cloudtop said:
Just remember, the factor common to all of your unhealthy and unsatisfactory relationships is you.




That is a perfect Quote. I will remember it and I may use it. :tongue: :thumbup: :heart: :laugh: :mushroom2:


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: cloudtop]
    #6234387 - 11/01/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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cloudtop said:
Just remember, the factor common to all of your unhealthy and unsatisfactory relationships is you.



So give them the power of change over myself ?
nope


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #6234484 - 11/01/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

:confused: That makes no sense to me.


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #6235802 - 11/01/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

BlueCoyote: who said anything about giving power of change to others?


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: cloudtop]
    #6235846 - 11/01/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe we have a language problem here. Cloudtop isn't saying that you are the "problem" in your relationships the others are not, and you need to change to make them work. He's saying you are always a part of the equation in making your relationships work. It is never just the fault of someone else. Does that clarify this at all? :laugh:


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: Icelander]
    #6235855 - 11/01/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Additionally, you are always the one who is choosing to relate to people whom you find difficult to get along with.  That makes you the common factor.  :blush:

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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: Icelander]
    #6238504 - 11/02/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

thanks ice, yes that clears it up a bit. but then oneself is the factor common to all relationships, not only the unhealthy and unsatisfactory ones.
The other common factor then is the 'not yourself', equals 'the other' one, what substracts to zero then, and doesn't describe the problem of 'unhealthy' or 'unsatisfactory' imho.

But I see the point. It may point to the lack of health and satisfactory of oneself, what one thinks to see and find in someone other, in the hope to discover it and help oneself (and maybe the otherone) through that.
Good hint that, thanks :thumbup:


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #6238508 - 11/02/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

but then oneself is the factor common to all relationships, not only the unhealthy and unsatisfactory ones.

I remembered this also and a good thing to remember it is. :thumbup:


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: headvoid]
    #6241064 - 11/02/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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The taking of your own life is a selfish act. It is the wanton destruction of peoples lives around you. Think about it

1. You kill yourself at home - someone has to find you
2. You kill yourself by throwing yourself off a bridge - someone you dont know finds you and then you have an inquest
3. You throw yourself off a ferry - no-one finds you can you cant be declared dead for 7 years - more heartache for all.

Is there a way to do it without being selfish? I think not.

Unless anyone can come up with a better way?





if someone loves u its selfish if no one likes u its all u

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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: DAVID_ALLAN_CEO]
    #6241078 - 11/02/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

A very weak statement for sure. Patent black and white BS. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: Icelander]
    #6241083 - 11/02/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
A very weak statement for sure. Patent black and white BS. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:




its just a statement though, its not near as weak as killing yourself

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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: DAVID_ALLAN_CEO]
    #6241093 - 11/02/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Like I said you see things in black and white. That means to me that you are living fear based.  :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: Icelander]
    #6241129 - 11/02/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Like I said you see things in black and white. That means to me that you are living fear based.  :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:




i m a human with dead friends, now that gives me enough to say whatever the fuck i want... u are living fear based, fear that someone might disagree or might value their life just a little more than u

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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: DAVID_ALLAN_CEO]
    #6241140 - 11/02/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Everybody has dead friends.

So you're saying that if someone is in severe pain from, lets say, cancer, and it's sure that they will die an agonizing death, it's selfish of them to want to die so you won't feel bad.

Nice. :thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: Icelander]
    #6241155 - 11/02/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Everybody has dead friends.

So you're saying that if someone is in severe pain from, lets say, cancer, and it's sure that they will die an agonizing death, it's selfish of them to want to die so you won't feel bad.

Nice. :thumbup:




i didn t say so i won t feel bad, i said so they won t feel bad, its pretty shitty to think (from my own perspective thinking about my OWN life not the life of other s because we can t do anything about anyone else s life) that i d rather die than be with the living, just leave them, i wouldn t want someone to think that things got too bad for me to be here, i d fight fool :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: Icelander]
    #6241156 - 11/02/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

My grandmother killed herself. I never knew her. Whether she knew or not she saved my mothers life. If my grandmother had never hung herself my mom would be dead, instead of sitting with me watching TV... Im not promoting suicide, nor do i beleive in the supernatural... i just felt this had to be said.


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Re: Is suicide a selfish act? [Re: Yarry]
    #6241193 - 11/02/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty hard to understand this post?  I don't get it. :confused:


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