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 Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric 
#6201815 - 10/23/06 01:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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First of all... hello fellow psychonauts!
Just though I'd post regarding my friend SWIM, I'm sure many of you know him! 
He's been doing various drugs for around 10 years, but for the last two only psychedelics... especially shrooms.
SWIM will be growing his own Cubensis for the first time shortly and would like to keep you posted on the process and ask for any advice if you're willing to assist?
Also SWIM has taken a day off this coming Friday (27/10/06) as he has recently purchased 6g of Amanita Pantherina and wishes to test drive them. SWIM has done Cubies plenty of times but is a Amanita virgin. SWIM will right as much down about his experience as he can (in his addled state of mind) and post all here.
Thanks all!
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 Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: LimpNoodle]
#6202021 - 10/23/06 02:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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SWIM should not have gotten patherina because they are dangerous and should get normal ones but if he does decide to go ahead any way eat them with cream
and i state if he is actually crazy enough to take them then i take for liability for those actions if he dies
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6202175 - 10/23/06 03:01 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because A. muscaria and A. pantherina belong to the genus Amanita, the same genus that contains two deadly, liver-toxic mushrooms (Amanita phalloides and Amanita virosa), many people believe that the fly agaric mushrooms also contain liver toxins. But the amatoxins and phallotoxins that are responsible for the deadly nature of A. phalloides, A. virosa, and several species of Galerina and Lepiota, and that cause a few deaths each year, are not present in A. muscaria or A. pantherina. At least some of the confusion around this issue stems from the name "amatoxin", which certainly suggests its presence in all Amanita species.
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The primary active chemicals in both A. muscaria and A. pantherina are muscimol, ibotenic acid, and traces of muscarine. None of these chemicals are toxic to the liver at the doses present in these two mushrooms. And while it's not uncommon for a careless mushroom hunter to ingest A. muscaria and spend the night in the hospital—as they unexpectedly experience drowsiness, hallucinations and twitching—fatalities are few and far between. Children in particular seem prone to ingesting the beautiful red and white fungi, but as stated in a case report of eight children who had ingested A. muscaria, "recovery was rapid and complete in all patients."
Buck RW. "Toxicity of Amanita muscaria". J Am Med Assoc. 1963; 185(8):663-664.
Benjamin DR. "Mushroom poisoning in infants and children: the Amanita pantherina/muscaria group". J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1992; 30(1):13-22.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: LimpNoodle]
#6202195 - 10/23/06 03:07 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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i know that but the levels of muscimol, ibotenic acid, and traces of muscarine in pantherina can make you collapse and die the same way as some one ODed on Barbiturates respiratory failure. you could fall down crack you head open and then bleed to death. i recommend you stay inside where theres a carpet and take them mid day. its possible to take em and go to sleep and not wake up Pantherina are not safe by any means i had 2oz of them in the period of 2 months if any one knows the slightest bit i do. also you have to worry about insanity or rather delirium or you could wake up seizing in a hospital. i didnt end up in a hospital but if it was anyone else they might. i have a friend who ate a huge garbage bag full of brugmansia and didn't die he was lucky i dont mess with burgmanisia and when he had an Oz of regular amanita he was taking a pee and colapsed on the toilet smashing his face into it his parents found him on the floor convusing and took him to the hospital. when i took 1 burgmansia flower i went to sleep that night and my body woke up walked around went to a party drank 1 liter of rum and some how got back to my room and showered. the point im making is its not good to fuck with dangerous shit. Mascuria sure have them panthrina dont fuck with it. i know if he had the amount of pantrinia i had he would of died and if i had the amount of burgmansia he had i would of died. if you really wanna test something that fragile such as you life go ahead who know you might just have a really strong amanita trip like i did tho i had this colasping urge which i fought,but i actually did give in to it hours later and feel down to hell and rose to heaven it was pretty cool, but then the next month i had full out Hallucinations which were unable to be told from reality and not random crazy shit, but like i was driving and i saw no cars on the road and my friend asured me there were cars also the oppisite seeing extra cars that arnt there. for a month. im just waring you its not my life i wouldnt mess with them again
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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
Edited by thedudenj (10/23/06 03:17 PM)
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6203567 - 10/23/06 07:52 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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this is a little off topic but could someone please tell me who or what SWIM is?
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: Phish_Dude]
#6203804 - 10/23/06 08:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Phish_Dude said:
this is a little off topic but could someone please tell me who or what SWIM is?
Check your pm's
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6203839 - 10/23/06 08:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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thedudenj said:
i know that but the levels of muscimol, ibotenic acid, and traces of muscarine in pantherina can make you collapse and die the same way as some one ODed on Barbiturates respiratory failure. you could fall down crack you head open and then bleed to death. i recommend you stay inside where theres a carpet and take them mid day. its possible to take em and go to sleep and not wake up Pantherina are not safe by any means i had 2oz of them in the period of 2 months if any one knows the slightest bit i do. also you have to worry about insanity or rather delirium or you could wake up seizing in a hospital. i didnt end up in a hospital but if it was anyone else they might. i have a friend who ate a huge garbage bag full of brugmansia and didn't die he was lucky i dont mess with burgmanisia and when he had an Oz of regular amanita he was taking a pee and colapsed on the toilet smashing his face into it his parents found him on the floor convusing and took him to the hospital. when i took 1 burgmansia flower i went to sleep that night and my body woke up walked around went to a party drank 1 liter of rum and some how got back to my room and showered. the point im making is its not good to fuck with dangerous shit. Mascuria sure have them panthrina dont fuck with it. i know if he had the amount of pantrinia i had he would of died and if i had the amount of burgmansia he had i would of died. if you really wanna test something that fragile such as you life go ahead who know you might just have a really strong amanita trip like i did tho i had this colasping urge which i fought,but i actually did give in to it hours later and feel down to hell and rose to heaven it was pretty cool, but then the next month i had full out Hallucinations which were unable to be told from reality and not random crazy shit, but like i was driving and i saw no cars on the road and my friend asured me there were cars also the oppisite seeing extra cars that arnt there. for a month. im just waring you its not my life i wouldnt mess with them again
Okay, I appreciate the fact that you're looking out for this guy's well-being but you make it sound like 6 grams of panthers could kill him. You don't really think that do you? You said you had 2 ounces over the course of 2 months. What was the most at one time that you used?
In all honesty LimpNoodle, yes, they are much more likely to be dangerous than a. muscaria. Please exercise caution.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: truffleupagus]
#6203964 - 10/23/06 09:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah six grams is enough i had a break thru with 2 caps i did a ritual with them using one white and one black pantherina. one cap can make your vision flip completely over. my friend for the only time he had amanita i split one cap we experienced the same effects first appearance of everything under water then speedyness then my friend started seeing his day unfold before his eyes he was back school sitting in class then every street we went down he say is leave backwards then the sky became the road and road the sky. also i felt at peace tho like a fish still doing it is something i cant advise you todo it but you know just becareful maybe your batch will be weak and youll be fine.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6204536 - 10/23/06 11:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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SWIM will exercise caution. A sitter will be present.... it will be early morning/aftenoon when consumed. IPECAC (vomit inducing syrup) is in first aid kit if SWIM really feels he's being poisoned.
A lot of what you write (thedudenj) appears to be myth/rumour that has circulated on a lot of forums but has been debunked in actual textbooks by reseachers/scientists.
SWIM has researched the shroom in some detail and it's affects. He has scoured the web for reports/experiences of other users and the dosages taken. Not one person has reported the level of experience you received from the dosage SWIM will consume.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: LimpNoodle]
#6205484 - 10/24/06 09:42 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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just trust me its possible theres very little info anywhere about them due to they know theres alot of poeple that have had a gone to the hospital from Amanita M and pantherina from OD causing black outs and collapsing thats not documented. a better question is how many caps do you have? and what size wieght with amanita can be a guideline but not as well as amount of caps and sizes its easier to gauge effects by size of caps and how many you take
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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
Edited by thedudenj (10/24/06 09:45 AM)
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6209854 - 10/25/06 08:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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SWIM hasn't taken them out of the bag, but guesses around 3-4 caps, around 1-2 inches in diameter.
They weighed just over 6.2g on SWIM's scales.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: LimpNoodle]
#6211872 - 10/25/06 07:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmm well a good dose for regular amanita would be all of those because they are small, medium ones are 3-4 big 5-8. but for panther i dunno id say 2 or all four if you want to have full break thru if they really are good strenght
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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
Edited by thedudenj (10/25/06 07:40 PM)
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6218278 - 10/27/06 03:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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SWIM did all 6g in the end. It took 2 hours to come up. No nausea at all. SWIM just got a light buzz, felt a litle wobbly on his feet, but mostly tired.
SWIM will stick to cubies in future.
Edited by LimpNoodle (10/27/06 03:54 PM)
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: LimpNoodle]
#6218336 - 10/27/06 03:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Amanitas suck.
So does using the SWIM acronym.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: Brewmaster]
#6218380 - 10/27/06 03:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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SWIM thinks you suck!
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: LimpNoodle]
#6218408 - 10/27/06 04:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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SWIM drowned. my friend bob took his place.
bob will assimilate.
pantherina should NOT be ingested.
thedude, how in the fuck did your friend survive eating a whole garbage bag of brugmansia flowers? 2 of them sent my friend to the ICU, and ive eaten as many as 5 before and i dont think its possible to go past 8-10 which dried or fresh is a sandwich baggy full.
i dont think its possible to eat a whole garbage bag worth of material anyways.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: CptnGarden]
#6218597 - 10/27/06 05:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't need to use SWIM.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: CptnGarden]
#6218914 - 10/27/06 07:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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ShroomieOfDoomie said:pantherina should NOT be ingested.
Well if you want to take them rectally that's your business... I'll stick to eating them. (not that I'll be doing them again!)
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: LimpNoodle]
#6219140 - 10/27/06 08:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dunno he ate more the a trash bag the frist time he was filling the bag with burgmansia he found and he ate probally more then twice of what he put in the bag flowers and leaves. and as i said an oz of amanita made him black out while in the bathroom. the datura just gave him a really strong and long trip he never blacked out or lost awareness while on it tho full blow hallucinations such as a bottle of rubbing alcohol turned in a glass of water and he almost drank it once it hit his mouth he spit it out.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6219155 - 10/27/06 08:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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full blow hallucinations such as a bottle of rubbing alcohol turned in a glass of water and he almost drank it once it hit his mouth he spit it out.
that doesnt make any sense, your friend leaves open bottles of rubbing alcohol around? wouldnt it evaporate? wouldnt he notice that theres a lid on it or wouldnt the lid prevent it from coming out if he thought it was a glass full of water?
a garbage bag of brugmansia would kill someone.
and is your friend older and still living with his parents or is it cause hes 15? i question your age daily. none of your stories ever add up for make sense, and when you comment its usualy way off topic.
its ok your ignorance and playful stupidity make me laugh. 
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: LimpNoodle]
#6219172 - 10/27/06 08:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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ShroomieOfDoomie said:pantherina should NOT be ingested.
Well if you want to take them rectally that's your business... I'll stick to eating them. (not that I'll be doing them again!)
i prefer to slice the dried caps in 4th's, ball them up and swallow whole. it eventualy gets barfed back up anyways, unless i would like to partake in cramping in my intenstines.
go ahead and try them, you will see what people are talking about, pantherinas are very powerful and i would never ingest them. i guess i cant really put it down til ive taken it, as ive only taken muscaria, but i have heard of peoples trips from these and if your enjoying the cube high and looking for something like it, your in over your head. i would eat 300 grams of fresh cyanescens, but i wont even touch more than 10 grams of high quality dried muscaria caps, that shit is wicked.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: CptnGarden]
#6220598 - 10/28/06 10:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah 10 grams of good quality amanita is too much the proper dose for amanita is more like 2grams and then you go into a dream state i only have been able to acheive the dream state a few times but you will sitting or laying then your nolonger in you body and you in a whole nother world ill never forget where i went but saw 2 years of mylife stuck into one room and went to a whole nother world infact my exgirl friend was pulled out of her body when it happen she was sitting in class but she doesnt rememeber what happened she just knows she was about of body and time was missing.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: CptnGarden]
#6220740 - 10/28/06 11:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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SWIM should know that all that SWIM shit doesn't work
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: Limerick]
#6221329 - 10/28/06 03:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Amanitas are legal 
anyway everyone and the pheds know your on about consuming drugs.
A friend is going to be eating some pantherinas is more ´sly´ if you will
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6221343 - 10/28/06 04:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah 10 grams of good quality amanita is too much the proper dose for amanita is more like 2grams and then you go into a dream state i only have been able to acheive the dream state a few times but you will sitting or laying then your nolonger in you body and you in a whole nother world ill never forget where i went but saw 2 years of mylife stuck into one room and went to a whole nother world infact my exgirl friend was pulled out of her body when it happen she was sitting in class but she doesnt rememeber what happened she just knows she was about of body and time was missing.
what? a "proper" dose, is actualy 2 caps according to whats been passed down over time, and on average an amanita muscaria cap while dry weighs about 0.3-0.6, so that would mean one or less caps to feel anything.
ive tried many grades and many vendors with muscaria (handpicked wild ones too) and its the same 10 gram dose to get the effects with even the most potent of batches, and sometimes 15 with the weaker ones.
2 grams u wouldnt feel anything noticeable.
you dont know "proper" thedudenj, you speak from your ass.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: CptnGarden]
#6221371 - 10/28/06 04:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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ShroomieOfDoomie said:
what? a "proper" dose, is actualy 2 caps according to whats been passed down over time, and on average an amanita muscaria cap while dry weighs about 0.3-0.6, so that would mean one or less caps to feel anything.
How big are these caps ?.
I have caps ranging from 2.5 inches to 7 inches across..
I intend on trying them soon but i only want threshold effects for my first attempt.
What would you advise ?
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: Mike_yy]
#6221379 - 10/28/06 04:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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mikeyyork said:
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ShroomieOfDoomie said:
what? a "proper" dose, is actualy 2 caps according to whats been passed down over time, and on average an amanita muscaria cap while dry weighs about 0.3-0.6, so that would mean one or less caps to feel anything.
How big are these caps ?.
I have caps ranging from 2.5 inches to 7 inches across..
I intend on trying them soon but i only want threshold effects for my first attempt.
What would you advise ?
see thats not really the dose though, its hard to figure it out by "caps", it only gives u a rough estimate.
if you know for infact they are good, weigh out 10 grams.
most doses are measured by a scale, so its nice to have one, and even a 10$ ebay one with suffice for something like this.
i usualy end up eating 2 caps the size of a grapefruit dried. sometimes its a medium one and three little ones, it matters on the weight and the potency of the batch.
10 grams (unless they are twice as potent as they originaly would be - which isnt likely), would be a fine dose.
and sorry my post was meant to say dried caps range in weight from 3 to 6 grams.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: CptnGarden]
#6221465 - 10/28/06 04:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks man,, i'll keep that in mind.
I do have access to scales just not in my house..
Only thing i'm worried about is it's Deliriant effects ( though ive read reports and the effects don't sound typically Deliriant, low doses sound more like alcohol/DXM but ive seen it labeled as a Deliriant before )
Ive had really nasty delirious insomnia from anticholinergics and i wouldn't like to repeat the experience.
Though i don't think you can compare the two, i don't know.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: Mike_yy]
#6221477 - 10/28/06 04:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i can compare dimenhydrinate/diphenhydramine to datura, however amanita lies in its own category, with the scotch broom flowers as a sub-category of feel. i wouldnt worry too much on a 10 gram dose, scan the trip reports forum for some amanita experiences and read their dosage. wholefoods? i think his name is, ate 20 something grams ()not recommended), he had a bad experience.
10 is fine all around. its mild and yet its strong.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: CptnGarden]
#6221531 - 10/28/06 05:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you,,
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wholefoods? i think his name is, ate 20 something grams
That's alot of dried mushroom,, the smell of these things dried makes me feel sick...
Edited by Mike_yy (10/28/06 05:29 PM)
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thedudenj
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: Mike_yy]
#6222985 - 10/29/06 07:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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due your a jack ass im not speaking out of my ass Im speaking out of many experiences the true question is what are you trying to get out of the amanita are you just trying to feel drunk and high or are you taking to achieve an OBE, OBE's can be achieved with one small cap and proper meditation. yes if you want to get horribly fucked up then yes take 10 grams but that is Overdosing. I have overdosed on them enough to know i have had new mexico pantheria,Washington state,Siberian,African,Vermont red and yellow and orange,new jersey,NY, and European ones from vendor that were B grade which were really fantastic. and all amanita M are hand picked even if its from a vendor so i think someone here is lacking in knowledge Mr Kid Botany and i highly doubt if you really focused and meditated to the best of your ability that you could have glimpse of a OBE I mean completely being in a different place and being fully aware of everything there and at the same time regulating your physical body. thats why people black out they are grounded and too way to much. one 3 inch diameter cap which can cause some one to black out and seizure. i was on the verge of that and it was a 9 gram but i also prayed and used milk. theres a reason why with amanita shamans can shrink themselves to the size of an atom or grow as big as the sun and also communicate to spirits and tengu. they know what there doing and you dont. I may not have it down packed but im on that path and getting really close.
ps your a sophist and very sophisticated, look up what a sophist is get the deffinition you really think you to right
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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
Edited by thedudenj (10/29/06 07:13 AM)
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6223061 - 10/29/06 08:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Daaaaamn Girl, settle it down.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6223072 - 10/29/06 08:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tried a small 3 inch cap last night as a tester ( because i am alittle nervous ), i didn't feel anything from it at all..
I'm now confident enough to try a 5 gram dose,, if i don't get much from that then i'll up it again...
I'm always looking for advise but i'll still work at my own pace..
I think some mediative placebo ( not sure if that's the right word )plays a big part in your experiences,, i want to feel the effects of the drug itself..
I can lucid dream pretty freely so i can have an 'OBE' without the help from any chemical.
I have a feeling you may be lucid dreaming and thinking that it's the effects of Muscaria.
And because you fully believe it's the Muscaria that's causing this state, it's much easier for you to slip into it psychologically.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: ClammyJoe]
#6223074 - 10/29/06 08:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol whyd you call me a girl when my title even says crazy man. your not nice but i guess you are what you eat and do it girls wink wink tho not so much anymore its not really moral specailly when fasting
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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6225491 - 10/29/06 09:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/06-43/173359674-PICT0516.jpg
so limpnoodle how was it? second its not the amanita doing it, its the amanita helping thats the point and part why people dont take amanita and ayahuasca those to dont do everything by them self to a great extent you need to know wtf your doing or things can go no where or way bad. With psilomushrooms they do most the work but how many poeple can make objects distort and control the disortion and maybe block out items from the view like if theres a house infront of them blocking out the house and seeing the sky as if the house wasnt there?
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"You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6225534 - 10/29/06 10:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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dudenj.......good lord man, you have told me that english is not your second language. So help us all to understand you. Write like you are not a total nut who cant atleast write if his life depended on it.
You have some good ideas for gods sake......
On second thought, write like your life depended on it....... Try that out.
Who in the world wants to communicate things to people by acting like they dont care if the person on the receiving end understands or not?
If you are not willing to make the effort then just quiet down man.
Just atleast make an effort to communicate if you want to post on this site.
You can be as weird as you would like, and as obvious as your points sometimes are, they do fall short in a certain way, far beyond even the most ignorant member of this site. Thats because you are so weird and feel you have no reason to write like a person who can even speak english.
You can make some of your metaphores work if you just apply yourself more than you EVER do.
Most people just dont read what you have to say if you seem like you are 12-14 years old.
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (10/29/06 10:06 PM)
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6225549 - 10/29/06 10:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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thedude, sometimes you sound like you're repeating stuff you just learned in philosiphy 101
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Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: badreligion2good]
#6225575 - 10/29/06 10:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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badreligion2good said:
thedude, sometimes you sound like you're repeating stuff you just learned in philosiphy 101
Thats for sure. Philosophy 101 is what you make of it. As profound as such elementary philosophies are, this dude doesnt make 20% of the effort most people make when they bother to communicate that sort of thing as it pertains to psychedelics.
I just want to persuade the guy to write coherently.........
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (10/29/06 10:14 PM)
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: Mike_yy]
#6225761 - 10/29/06 11:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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mikeyyork said:
I tried a small 3 inch cap last night as a tester ( because i am alittle nervous ), i didn't feel anything from it at all..
I'm now confident enough to try a 5 gram dose,, if i don't get much from that then i'll up it again...
I'm always looking for advise but i'll still work at my own pace..
I think some mediative placebo ( not sure if that's the right word )plays a big part in your experiences,, i want to feel the effects of the drug itself..
I can lucid dream pretty freely so i can have an 'OBE' without the help from any chemical.
I have a feeling you may be lucid dreaming and thinking that it's the effects of Muscaria.
And because you fully believe it's the Muscaria that's causing this state, it's much easier for you to slip into it psychologically.
im telling you from personal experience, that from red caps, 10 grams is a good dose. its not an overdose like thedudenj states, and theres no reason why anyone would feel much from a 3inch cap anyways, which you have just proven.
thedude: he just ate a 3inch cap and nothing effected him, could this mean your wrong?
i dont want to go calling you wrong just yet based on that, theres not much of a motive anyways. the sources could have provided weak or bunk caps, or it was harvested during the wrong time of the year, but i know from experience, from the commercial vendor quality, to both reds and yellows found in the wild, that 10 grams, is a medium dose.
effects can be felt mildly at 5-7 grams, which is a single large cap, but usualy double that is needed to feel the desired effect. anything more can be hell, and anything less is just a mild buzz. 8-14gram fluctuation depending on the potency of the batches, and both red and yellow felt the same experience-wise, while it was hard to tell if either had more potency than the other. ive not tried the white variety yet, and i dont think i will. im scared to touch the yellow ones even, i like the safety of the fluffy bulbed redcap.
and as mikey states, OBE's can happen sober, ive done it through meditation with music. make a bed of pillows on your couch, put on an eye mask, and throw something like ozric tentacles in your CD player, things can get wild and out of body experiences do happen.
i dont wanna argue with someone i cant understand and who has no foundation behind his punch.
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: CptnGarden]
#6227171 - 10/30/06 03:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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well actually im suppose to be 1 or 0 dammit it i fell short. another thing you must always consider peoples different body chem theres probally atleast 1000 people that one red 10g cap would kill them. i find yellow ones to be different from red even the shades of yellow to be different. So far in my time i have eaten at least 2 pounds of amanita at least. The more experienced you get the better you will be able to take smaller doses and use it to its full effect i think it has something to do with making your body not excrete it. Im sure if you ate 20 grams of amanita and didnt prepare your body you could piss it all out and maybe only get the effects of 2 grams thats the point im making if you havent abstracted it yet. If used properly 1g or 2g can do the same as 10g or 20g for most people. Think about it think about It i maximize the amanita in my body and i also drink milk with it cause that for some reason increases effects also milk increases drug abortion and decreases nausea
http://www.gotmilk.com/news/news_027.html
so as i said 1-3grams of really potent amanita can whoop ass infact try this as an experiment if you dont believe me eat one good sized cap on an empty stomach and drink milk or cream with it then go to sleep and when you wake tell me how you feel.for starters your gona have to take a wicked morning piss and you will defiantly be tripping as if you had eaten 10 grams you body will keep recycling the amanita drugs in you thru the whole night. i made that mistake once tho i cant say that whole next day was all to bad but still i felt overdosed. BTW Mr know it all who probally didnt even take that into consideration and is probally gona try to form some sort of rebuttal maybe even say that you cant retain urine thru biofeedback. heres your force behind the punch if it makes you happy as i said if properly used small amounts with someone who knows what there doing and has good ones will always go further then someone who has no clue with weak ones Period Also one must consider Health i have really good health and metabolism in fact superb health and metabolism. My body absorbs drugs quick and makes them last long and uses them to their full potential.
and if you think the full effects of amanita are just drug and no magic your as lost as these people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HhANOeD1I4
its a scientific study on amanita and i think those people are retarded. and there conclusions are very inaccurate
i trust the old person with the drum way more then them.
any who keep this post on track where the hell is limpnoodle and how was it?
so last night i tested what i said and still havent pee i made cheese eggs with 2 really small caps and low and behold im still on amanita wow!! something i already knew
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"You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
Edited by thedudenj (10/31/06 05:24 AM)
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Re: Amanita Pantherina - First time with fly agaric [Re: thedudenj]
#6232659 - 10/31/06 07:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good post thedude, keep it up! Its nice to understand what you're saying.
Yage, I support your desire to get him writing coherently.
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All I know is that I dont know.
Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.
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