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shirley's first extraction : partial success (extract potent, but corpse still potent too)
    #6194866 - 10/21/06 07:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

okay, so my starting place was this thread in advanced cultivation forum (though we really need a consensus on where extraction threads belong): link

and this is my first time, so be gentle with me.

ok, ready to go - powder to extract, solvent, pyrex bowl/saucepan doubleboiler, and filtration kit.



my friend flat eric's gonna use 50g of powder and has 1 litre of 72% solvent available (700ml of 63% rum topped up to a litre with 300ml of ~98% ethanol). he plans a two-pass extraction, he's intending to make a perfume/tincture - his powder is a legal concoction of powdered medicinal shrooms (shiitake, maitake and reishi) for arthritis treatment. eric's joints are really floppy.

he was also wondering how small a volume he could realistically hope to get his 50g extracted into - he doesn't have any problems with creating perfume crystals, in fact he reckons this would be a blast. i think he'd like to create a small pile of crystals for experimentation and a nice tincture to eyedrop onto sugar cubes - he's funny like that.

so .... here we go


Edited by shirley knott (11/10/06 11:05 PM)


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6194933 - 10/21/06 07:41 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

two passes - gunk was extracted in simmering ethanol for 30 minutes each pass, and filtered while hot:




for some reason, when i combined the two translucent extracts, the result was opaque - something was precipitated at this stage. i filtered it to take a look, then put it back in:



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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6197140 - 10/22/06 12:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I'm really looking forward to seeing the results. please continue.


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: MADPANTSDOME]
    #6197157 - 10/22/06 12:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Nice job shirley. I'm planning a similar extraction soon so your results are most interesting.

So this is really shiitake, maitake and reishi.?, Sure.:uptosomething:


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: UnderNose]
    #6197165 - 10/22/06 12:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

this is my final product:



so what is the orange goop at the bottom of the jar - magic or crap?
can i now safely throw away the wet powder?
how small a volume do you think i can reduce this ~400ml to?
how many mg of psilocybin / psilocyn should have been present in this 50g dry powder?

help pls.


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6197246 - 10/22/06 01:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

-so what is the orange goop at the bottom of the jar - magic or crap?

First I'm no expert but I'm no novice either, so you might want to wait until someone else posts.

The stuff at the bottom is probably ultra fine particles of "crap" that the filtration setup didn't stop. I think.
What was its consistency when you had it separated from the rest.?

--can i now safely throw away the wet powder?

If it were me I would do another extract on the leftover pile with half as much alcohol then you used on the first run. just to be sure I got it all.
Then add the fractions together & let it sit for a for a while.
If there is crap at the bottom that is clearly not precipitates & is more like a layer of mud I would remove this.

All active ingredients should be held in suspension unless the solvent has been saturated in which case they will precipitate.

as for the last two I am unsure. But here I go anyway.

-how small a volume do you think i can reduce this ~400ml to?

reducing it is a question of how potent you want the brew & how much the solvent will hold before making precipitates.

I would reduce to the point where the solvent wont hold any more & it starts to drop out, Then add a few ml of alcohol to keep it in suspension.

-how many mg of psilocybin / psilocyn should have been present in this 50g dry powder?

assuming you have all the goodies.
there is approximately 0.80% psilocybin and 0.70% psilocin per gram in dried shrooms

50 dry gram should have in them +/-  400mg psilocybin & 350mg psilocin, 50 gram devided into 400ml at the moment you have 0.125g of mushroom per ml there.

.80/100x0.125=0.001
so there is 0.001 mg of psilocybin per ml

.70/100x0.125=0.000875
& 0.0008 mg of psilocin per ml.

Oral Psilocybin Dosages
Threshold...2 - 4 mg
Light...........4 - 8 mg
Common.. 6 - 20 mg
Strong....20 - 30 mg
Heavy ........40 + mg


Hope this helps. :grin:
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I'm just waiting for someone to tell me I got all the numbers wrong.
I failed maths.:shiftyeyes:


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: UnderNose]
    #6197686 - 10/22/06 03:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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there is approximately .80% psilocybin and .70% psilocin per gram in dried shrooms

50 dry gram should have in them +/- .40mg psilocybin & .35mg psilocin



surely you mean 400 and 350mg, or 0.4 and 0.35g respectively. 50g is ten good trips, which sorta correlates to 14 'heavy trip' doses in your recipe.

so if i could get it down to 50ml, i'd be pretty happy with that - 1ml per dry gram, approximating to 8mg psilocybin and 7mg psilocin per ml.

does that sound right?

but first i need to understand whether that precipitate was a good or a bad thing to happen.


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6198367 - 10/22/06 06:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

but i know a way to find out.. ... 



.... it's taste-testing time  :smile:


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6198493 - 10/22/06 06:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

can i now safely throw away the wet powder?

The most reliable test for indol's derivatives it's color reaction with Ehrlich's or Kovacha's reactant.(5-6$)


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6200366 - 10/23/06 03:26 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I meant 400mg & 350mg or .40g & .35g. Thanks I would have overlooked that.

Those dam zeros & points in the wrong place.
If I worked at NASA I would have just course corrected someone into deep space
If you had of dosed with my info you would have been hurled into deep space.:scrambled:

Quote:

if i could get it down to 50ml, I'd be pretty happy with that - 1ml per dry gram, approximating to 8mg psilocybin and 7mg psilocin per ml.
does that sound right?





That sounds right, depends if the solvent will hold 1g per ml.
And most of the psilocin has probably

So how was the mushroom mud.
I remember trying some tar from the bottom of a extraction, Man did that shit taste bad, Concentrated mushroom tar / oil.:projectile:
I am fairly sure that this is ultra fine sediment not precipitate.

Where are all the "EXPERTS" !!
I'm sure they would know more about this stuff
More knowledge & experience. 
I feel like I'm in over my head :crazy:


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: UnderNose]
    #6200882 - 10/23/06 09:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I remember RR said something about crystals forming at the bottom and that they are inactive salts.


Edited by MADPANTSDOME (10/23/06 09:56 AM)


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6202012 - 10/23/06 04:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

taste-test data just in: test negative, no magic in the goop.

so the next move is to filter my liquid to clarify it.
i'm not sure if i'll do a third pass extraction, probably not.
so i'll be left with ~400ml of string ethanolic tincture, for reduction in a double boiler.


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    #6202204 - 10/23/06 05:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

shirley knott make please a photo of that place in which you stack filters.... Write about procedure of installation of filters to a ceramic cup more in detail?
I need what to buy professional filters because I do not want that the elixir was similar on color to dung.

Now I cannot understand as under a mushroom mix must be create the zone of the lowered pressure when working a pomp...air can act in those places where the filter not so densely adjoins to a porcelain cup.

forgive me for my english


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6202370 - 10/23/06 05:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)



you squeeze the handpump to create a temporary vacuum - it sucks the liquid through as you pump. it's from ebay - look, here's one: clicky


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    #6202576 - 10/23/06 06:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I have understood thanks

Why MADPANTSDOME writes: crystals forming at the bottom and that they are inactive salts.

On pf-tek this salt - psylocibin, isn't it.

MADPANTSDOME it was not necessary to confuse ideas...I shall get confused by myself :^)


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    #6202717 - 10/23/06 07:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

nice venus fly trap


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6202929 - 10/23/06 08:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Why MADPANTSDOME writes: crystals forming at the bottom and that they are inactive salts.

On pf-tek this salt - psilocybin, isn't it.

MADPANTSDOME it was not necessary to confuse ideas...I shall get confused by myself :^)




Um Ive never done an extraction I can say for sure. I read abit about it and am going to soon. Im not even going to try to explain I have just read somewhere that if you go to the point where crystals form at the bottom you have gone to far. THe crystals are inactive salts and the psilocin and psilocybin do sink but are still in the liquid.

Psilocybin (also known as psilocybine), is a psychedelic alkaloid of the tryptamine family --alkaloid--
Psilocin, is a psychedelic (hallucinogenic) mushroom ---alkaloid---

psilocin is the actual pharmacologically active compound. Psilocybin is converted into psilocin in the body.
im just saying its an alkaloid and I bet you didnt know the things above.


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    #6204914 - 10/24/06 03:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I hope that the Professor Fanaticus knew about what he wrote. It writes that molecules of psilocybine/psilocin cooling down incorporate in crystals. This can be believed if to take into account that these substances are not dissolved in 190 proofs, isn't it?

Give please the link to a topic in which it is spoken that it is inactive salts, if you remember where this theme is?

What all to check up, it is necessary to drain in through a needle of a syringe of a few{a little;little bit} crystals in a syringe and to pour out in a quantity of ethanol. Then to break into fractions (crystals - separately, 190 proofs - separately) and to execute check by a Keller's reactant.

Or simply some times to replace ethanol for initial quantity of crystals(then to assert some time in a refrigerator and again to change ethanol, so to not merge a crystal).... That there would be only crystals in clean ethanol. It is necessary to use cold ethanol (from a refrigerator) for that experiment would be correct (psilocybine/psilocin should not be dissolved again in ethanol up to not seen molecules)

p\s\I believe that the Professor Fanaticus has executed this simple experiment before to name result Crystals of Gods (or the Greatest Opening since pf-tek times with rice).....Otherwise it should be named the greatest deceit since same times : )


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    #6205053 - 10/24/06 05:25 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

shirley knott said:
his powder is a legal concoction of powdered medicinal shrooms (shiitake, maitake and reishi) for arthritis treatment.




Quote:

shirley knott said:
how many mg of psilocybin / psilocyn should have been present in this 50g dry powder?





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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: ohmatic]
    #6205340 - 10/24/06 10:45 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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