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History a crime to recite...............???
    #6190701 - 10/20/06 02:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

How unfortunate........


http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/10/18/censoring_ideas/

Censoring ideas
By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | October 18, 2006

DID THE Ottoman Turks commit genocide against the Armenians in 1915? In some places you can be arrested if you give the wrong answer to that question. Under Article 305 of the Turkish Penal Code, for
example, those who promote ``recognition of the Armenian genocide" are subject to prosecution, while Article 301 makes the denigration of ``Turkishness" a crime punishable by up to three years in
prison. The Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk , winner of the 2006 Nobel Prize for L iterature , is among those who have been charged under Article 301. His offense was to tell a Swiss interviewer that
``30,000 Kurds and a million Armenians were killed in these lands, and nobody but me dares to talk about it."

Yet if acknowledging the Armenian genocide is a crime in Turkey, gainsaying it could soon be a crime in France. Last week the French National Assembly voted to approve a bill under which anyone
denying the 1915 genocide could be sentenced to a year's imprisonment and a 45,000-euro ($56,000) fine. That matches the penalty under French law for denying the Nazi Holocaust .

The French legislation is meant to uphold the truth -- the Armenian genocide, like the Holocaust, is a fact of history -- while the point of the Turkish law is to debase it. Both, however, are
intolerable assaults on liberty. Beliefs should not be criminalized, no matter how repugnant or absurd. As I wrote when David Irving was convicted of Holocaust denial in Austria earlier this year,
free societies do not throw people in prison for giving offensive speeches or spouting historical lies.

We Americans should know this better than anyone. The right to speak one's mind is supposed to be a core article of our civic faith. Yet the would-be censors are busy here, too.

THE 'SHUT UP' FACTOR: How serious a problem is censorship today? Are would-be censors smothering debate?

At Columbia University two weeks ago, a forum on immigration was to feature a speech by Jim Gilchrist of the Minutemen, a group that monitors the US-Mexico border for illegal immigrants. But moments
after Gilchrist began speaking, protesters led by members of the International Socialist Organization stormed the stage, overturning tables, unfurling banners, and yelling insults. After 15 minutes
of
pandemonium, campus police shut down the program .

In Seattle, two teachers are suing the affluent Lakeside prep school for illegal racial discrimination and the creation of a hostile work environment. ``Among the plaintiffs' complaints," reports
the
Seattle Post-Intelligencer, ``was Lakeside's invitation to conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza to speak as part of a distinguished lecture series." But D'Souza, a fellow at Stanford's Hoover
Institution and a veteran of the Reagan White House, never gave the lecture: Faculty members opposed to his views howled when he was invited, and the school's headmaster, bowing to the censors,
rescinded the invitation.

Asked about the campaign against him, D'Souza had said: ``I am coming to speak on one day. If they think what I am saying is so awful, they have the rest of the year to refute it." But that isn't
enough for the enemies of free speech. They insist not only that speakers with politically incorrect opinions be shunned, but that anyone offering them a platform be punished as well.

Then there is ``Grist," an environmental webzine whose staff writer David Roberts recently proposed that global warming skeptics be put on trial like Nazi war criminals.

``When we've finally gotten serious about global warming . . . we should have war crimes trials for these bastards -- some sort of climate Nuremberg," Roberts wrote. Negative publicity led him to
recant, but he is far from the only one invoking the Holocaust as a way to silence global warming heretics.

Environmental writer Mark Lynas, for example, puts dissent on climate change ``in a similar moral category to Holocaust denial -- except that this time the Holocaust is yet to come, and we still have
time to avoid it. Those who try to ensure we don't will one day have to answer for their crimes." This totalitarian view is taking root everywhere, making skepticism on climate change taboo and
subjecting anyone reckless enough to question the global-warming dogma to mockery and demonization. Former vice president Al Gore lumps ``global warming deniers," some of whom are eminent
scientists,
with the ``15 percent of the population (who) believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona" and those who ``still believe the earth is flat."

The silencers are at work in the marketplace of ideas, using hook or crook to smother opinions they dislike. The lust to censor is as powerful as ever. If only liberty's defenders were equally
vigilant


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Re: History a crime to recite...............??? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6191003 - 10/20/06 03:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

If something is fact, it should be able to stand up to any degree of questioning, and still hold to be true.

I get very suspicious when it is made illegal to question a fact of history, very suspicious.

BTW this is the same Turkey that wants to get into the EU right?  :smirk:


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Re: History a crime to recite...............??? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6191418 - 10/20/06 04:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Turkey is trying to hide a dark past, and poorly at that


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Re: History a crime to recite...............??? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6192524 - 10/20/06 11:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Time to put those peole in jail
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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.”


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Re: History a crime to recite...............??? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6192885 - 10/21/06 01:01 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think denying reality is flat-out dangerous, Their isnt a historical doubt in anyones mind that the Turks killed millions of Armenians.


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