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 ChromeCrow
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 WE WANT NEW STRAINS 
#619036 - 04/26/02 01:28 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok, i was putting a team together to introduce new strains to the shroomery( not really new, just something besides the same strains we see at every site). but workman blew my idea out of the water, by stating the fmrc's spores where, basicly, shit. so i am putting it on hold for now, i would gladly donate the money and time to make it happen, IF it was worth it. im not a rich man, and i aint going to gamble if this is just bashing the competition, or a valid claim.
but what i want to know is, with as many strains there are, why cant the venders give us more selection? you can only grow sooooo many pr's, gt's, ks's, etc etc etc , we dont need another hydropod clone, we dont need 50 types of compost, we dont need piss cup syringe making jars, WE NEED SOME NEW SHROOMS TO GROW!!!!!!!!!
i will give credit to boxtop, the acadian coast is a step in the right direction.
but do any search, and see the vast numbers of strains there is....WE WANT A PIECE OF THAT ACTION!
shroomites. we are the venders bread n' butter. take just a second to make a selection , and tell em how we feel.
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 Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ChromeCrow]
#619046 - 04/26/02 01:40 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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TeRzMaStA
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ChromeCrow]
#619048 - 04/26/02 01:47 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Our simian friend is correct. While they are a shit load of psilocybes the strains must be domesticated for home cultivation.
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ChromeCrow]
#619050 - 04/26/02 01:48 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maby you should try our Psilocybe Subcubensis Argentinia (Santa Rosa). This is a very agressive colonizer and fruiter. You deffinately will not be disappointed with this strain. To learn more, click on the proceeding link: http://mushroom-madness.com/spores.htm
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ChromeCrow
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ]
#619052 - 04/26/02 01:55 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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im not saying he made it, or discovered it, but he did make it available. and before you say anything , i know a few other venders carry it, but it's not the run-of-the-mill strains we see everyday. what i am getting at is, are the "lets say for arguement, because i havent counted them" 15 strains, the only ones worth growing? shit, i hate to say it, but even STP has the fortitude to bring new strains into the market place. even though he charges 10x what they are worth. i know we have damn good venderes here, for the most part, and this isnt slamming them in any way shape or form, if this is how you took it, im sorry, but ive been misinterpreted. what i am saying, instead of wasting their time and energy, making duplicate products/ flaming/ and rediscovering the wheel, they could be doing what it takes to bring the PAYING public what it wants . this isnt a you venders suck post, this is a chance for those of us who shell out our money, to say what we would like. novel concept huh?
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ChromeCrow]
#619053 - 04/26/02 01:57 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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While it's pretty difficult keeping the ones I already have in-stock, I will be introducing at least two more varieties of PC to my stock list within a week or so. I'm excited about both.-Boxtop
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ChromeCrow
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THANK YOU MM. i hope you can understand what i am getting at, without taking offence. and, my order WILL be in the mail tomorrow!
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ChromeCrow]
#619055 - 04/26/02 02:10 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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ChromeCrow
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ]
#619057 - 04/26/02 02:25 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol ok w.h.a.t. e.v.e.r. everyone can see what i mean im not going to going to argue, i have had two venders post here, and neither of them took offence. they can see what i am getting at, i tried to say everything, without sounding like a dick. if you like things the way they are, that is your right, and you dont have to buy anything you dont want. but there is some of us who wants more. give us the same respect, and let us voice our opinions.
have a wonderful night FP ,
pleasant journies,
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Jammer
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 Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ]
#619060 - 04/26/02 02:32 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya ever consider stocking Weilii spores?
They seem to be getting a lot of attention these days.
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Edited by Jammer (04/26/02 02:37 AM)
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Joshua
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 Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ChromeCrow]
#619063 - 04/26/02 02:41 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am working with a wild cube from Florida. With time I hope to have a good isolation from it.
We have a network of Shroomerites throughout the world. I think that we as a community can help to improve strain variety by hunting for new Psilocybes and experimenting ourselves. Vendors have limited resources. We can help them to help us by providing them with prints and allow their master cultivators to work on strain selection.
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Joshua]
#619071 - 04/26/02 03:04 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why not just fuck off Cubensis altogether?? They are not potent and they are always sooo meaty that they take ages to dry and when they are dry they are shit for potency. btw - Acadian Coast were domesticated by Sporeworks.
Argentinian Cubensis is a nice new strain - try that.
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Zen Peddler]
#619073 - 04/26/02 03:15 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why not just fuck off Cubensis altogether?? ... Argentinian Cubensis is a nice new strain
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I do understand that there may be better species than Psilocybes. However, the information available on cultivating cubensis is extensive and makes the process easier than some of the other species available.
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Zen Peddler]
#619074 - 04/26/02 03:15 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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you my friend shroom entirely way too much. God damn how fuckin potent do they need to be? Just eat another shroom!
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Joshua]
#619075 - 04/26/02 03:16 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea... sounds like the right idea
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...and by the right idea i was referring to his first comment We have a network of Shroomerites throughout the world. I think that we as a community can help to improve strain variety by hunting for new Psilocybes and experimenting ourselves. Vendors have limited resources. We can help them to help us by providing them with prints and allow their master cultivators to work on strain selection jeje... muszt sleep
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Jammer
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: geokills]
#619078 - 04/26/02 03:22 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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As long as there grown on cakes and NOT in cased trays!
I have concluded that the PF site is right.. Rice cakes produce about as strong of a shroom as possible (please dont ask me why)- 100% Straw cakes are as good or better....
I guess that my point is that I feel that there is WAY too much focus on strains. Lets not forget what they grow on.
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Edited by Jammer (04/26/02 03:23 AM)
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Jammer]
#619080 - 04/26/02 03:50 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ChromeCrow]
#619089 - 04/26/02 04:02 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tapalpa and Wollongong are two strains introduced by the SporeLab in the past couple years. They are both excellent strains that produce healthy, potent cubensis consistently.
Don't be afraid to acknowledge thetruth.
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Zen Peddler]
#619151 - 04/26/02 06:17 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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that's funny.
have you even grown all of the stains before you start clamoring for more ?
the simple truth is that more strains would just mean more names for very similar products that most folks can't even tell apart.
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Zen Peddler
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Joshua]
#619152 - 04/26/02 06:18 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like a mushroom that doesnt take a whole casing to get me tripping - Im not sure what you mean - many psilocybe species are great - most woodlovers and Copelandia species are fine by me. Joshua, you of all people should understand the beauty of woodlovers - why eat 25+ cubensis when you can eat five little woodlovers and trip three times as hard??
Cubensis are easy to grow but once you've grown a few you realise that they are smelly, very low on potency (to the point that you have to eat sooo many of the fuckers to get where you wanna be) and that they generally are the least smooth of any psilocybe experience one can have.
With that in mind, there are some better cubensis strains - tasmanians, Golden Teachers and PES Amazonians are all potent cubensis.
I dont expect you guys to agree - maybe you guys love growing out all the strains - and it can be fun, but after a while every new strain doesnt offer that much in the way of a unique mushroom - just another slightly different cubensis.
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Jammer]
#619154 - 04/26/02 06:20 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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If BRF with its minimal nutrient content grows cubensis as potent as those grown on manure/rye/millet Id be VERY VERY surprised! Experience would tell me otherwise
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Zen Peddler]
#619156 - 04/26/02 06:22 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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hippie3 are you talking to me? Are you saying youve grown them all?
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ]
#619186 - 04/26/02 07:13 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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wtf-i have z stra1n now-i would have to say that it colonizers quicker than any thing i have cultivated so far- i have about 20 new strains (or new to me)waiting to cultivate from print-new strains would be great for the pros-but what about the thousands of newbies who have not even mastered the cubensis yet-
i have moved on to pans now-i can relate about haveing to eat 20 shrooms to trip-but im not really in this hobby for the buzz-as im sure alot of people arent either-i just like to watch them grow(and eat ever now and then)
blumeanie,why do have to eat a whole casing to trip from cubensis?
maybe its not the potency,but the casings not producking very many fruits 
if i ate an entire harvest from one of my casings(ordered cam on the way-ill post pics)im sure id lose my mind-mine usually produce at least a 1/2 ounce dried-thats my tiny casings-
new strains would be great-but im trying to grow all the ones i have first
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Edited by GaNjAShRooM (04/26/02 08:12 AM)
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ChromeCrow]
#619205 - 04/26/02 07:45 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I live in the Caribbean in the West Indies, we'll say, and believe i have found a new variety of cubensis and also a variety of copelandia cyanceans. I am trying to fruit already colonized cowflops in my backyard. I can make some spore prints off these and trade them. Here are pics of the cubes. I have yet to photo the copes but will asap. I kick myself for not sporeprinting the two next to the dollar bill. They were absolutely perfect, and extremely potent. Both pictures are of harvests from a fields near my house.
http://shroomery.org/wwwthreads/files/70569-harvest.jpg
http://shroomery.org/wwwthreads/files/79283-Dsc00056.jpg
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SouthernGent
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 Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: cowflop]
#619211 - 04/26/02 07:55 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow cowflop those are some nice pretty creamy caps there.
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 Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: ChromeCrow]
#619219 - 04/26/02 08:03 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chrome makes a very good point.
All these products that are being put out are basically the same.... In business this is called Marketing.....as long as there is demand....Vendors will continue.
What we really want is new strains.
I know for a fact that there are several new strains that MJ brought back.
He gave some to several of the Vendors....where are they now?
If they released these new strains....I'd be happy....so would others.
I realize that it takes time to domesticate these....work with them....grow them out.
And I'm sure you are all very busy....I know I am....not enough time in a day.
I asked MJ for a spore print from the violet-purple cube that he found.....he didn't have a print left....Psilocybe violacea
If you would like to see the pictures.....its on this thread Click here
This beautiful cube would be a great addition to the community.
I would love to grow this one out!
MJ....if you read this....if you ever find more Psilocybe violacea, please sell me a print.
I would grow it out....and spread the spores.
Then we have Tai strains:
Ban Lipa Noi
Ban Taling Ngam
Ban Thurian
Ban Tai
Ban Hua Thanon
some of these aren't that common.
I think people don't really realize how much MJ has really done as far as bringing strains back to us.... If you want new strains.....support MJ.
Buy his book and CD's.... help pay for his trips....and treat the man with respect.
He deserves this and more.....IMHO.
Max.....thanks for the Tapalpa and Wollongong strains.
The Acadian Coast has been around Chrome......It's just getting a little more popular.
The Keeper is a joke....aka STP....someone said the Keepers Creeper is a Cambodian.....well that isn't true... I know my Cambodians.
It very well could be another strain....but not a Cambodian....IMHO
The Keepers Creeper is a very fast colonizer....probably the fastest....and the cat will be out of the bag soon....I have Pictures up in the Picture forum of it....go ID it if you can.
This is second hand talk :
The "Z" strain is definately a strain that has been renamed....someone said "His "Z" I believe is the PESH".
And his "NJ6" a matias romero.
his "Blue meanies" seem like the Australian cub(he claims thier pan cyan though).
There are some other exotics out there.....you just have to ask around.
Hopefully we will be seeing a few more come to the mainstream soon. 
On a lighter note..... I think the Vendors prices are getting better.
Now if you could only get along better....and stop all the fighting...lolz
And Chrome.....I thank you for asking me to be involved in this dream team you had thought to put together....I think some growers could spred some new spores.
I for one love to grow out mulitiple strains....and test the differences between them....half the fun is seeing them grow....the other half is seeing the differences....different shapes......and effects.
hippie and blue.... some people just love to try them all..... I know my goal is to try them all.
I have so many strains now...its unbelevable.
cowflop.....I'd be interested in a spore print of those...PM me.
See this might have brought out a new one.....think positive!
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Roadkill]
#619230 - 04/26/02 08:11 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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The "Z" strain is definately a strain that has been renamed....someone said "His "Z" I believe is the PESH".
nah its not the pesh-i have that-mycellium looks totally different-but im sure its a cube that has been renamed-i just incoulated some of those blu meanies-ill post pics of both and we will i.d. both of them-
i just wanted ot have it,to say that i didnt buy it from the Keeper-yet i managed to get it without paying 80 bucks
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
#619810 - 04/26/02 07:45 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: Hippie3]
#619841 - 04/26/02 08:26 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sadly i must agree with that cracka hippie3. If you want variation grow edibles or some other species. I also highly doubt youve worked with every strain of cubes.
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Re: WE WANT NEW STRAINS [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
#619998 - 04/26/02 11:20 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ganga Shroom - Im not sure why you are questioning my cultivation credentials - I have moved on from casing my brf and growing 'big flushes'. If you want real size why not just spawn some horse shit or straw - the size of your flushes are then unlimited. If you would like me to show you pictures of my cultivation I would be more than glad too. Id very much like to see pictures of your cultivation.
Secondly I dont think you realise that the speed of colonisation has as much to do with the individual spore match from your multispore innoculation as from the original genetics of the spores. The only real way to compare strains is through agar isolation and that takes time - but atleast you know your in for a chance to see the spore race at its best unlike multispore which is pot luck.
Also, Unlike small children, I need atleast 30 fresh cubensis to even get my started - im sorry but I find that by the time im tripping hard on cubensis, my body and stomach are so fucked up that its not really worth the effort - especially when i can take the time to cultivate some Copelandias or to go and pick some woodlovers.
RoadKill - most of those spots in Thailand that you have mentioned are very close to one-another - Ive been to many of those places and the variation I found on local Cubensis wasnt that great. From what Ive been told, some vendors havent been impressed with the genetics of SOME of these spore-races - as an example the Malaysian cubensis pretty much came and went. Although it may be interesting to see how a Cubensis from Malaysia may perform, after growing it out once that is usually enough - im sure the Talpalpa and Wollongong are quite similar in that respect.
Lastly, Psilocybe violacea is not a Cubensis - Cubensis is only one of many Psilocybes = one of the easiest to fruit indoors because of its genetic versatility, but not one of the more potent Psilocybes.
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