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kungpow
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Monotub w/o Casing
#6178043 - 10/17/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would just like to make a comment on here about monotubs with out casing layers. I have always used a casing layer, but since I was sort of crushed on time I thought I would try it. I did the reading and I found that as long as you dunk your substrate you should get close to the same results as with a casing.
Well it isn't true. In my tubs I typically use 5lbs of tenn stud per tub spawned with brf jars. I dunked it before I initiated fruiting. But my yield from this tub was extremely low. I only got an ounce off of this tub and I was pretty upset about it. I usually get 3-4 ounces per flush off of my tubs. My pinset was horrible with only a total of 20 mature mushrooms or so. I also noticed that these shrooms weren't quite as big as before either.
The strain I used for this project was EQ and this strain usually gives me gigantic shrooms. I usually have a few shrooms in the tub that are close to 100 grams fresh. Then I usually have quite a few more that stick around the 40-70 gram range. But my largest one in this tub weighed 25 grams.
This experience has shown me that casing layers provide much better results.
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: kungpow]
#6178056 - 10/17/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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My results differ, but I dunk post 1st flush. I don't see any reason to dunk before the 1st, there is more than enough water in manure to self-humidify AND put out a strong 1st flush. Maybe doing that skewed your results.
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kungpow
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: Holydiver]
#6178106 - 10/17/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just think that I am going to stick to a casing layer for now on. I just think it is better that way. I couldn't believe how horrible my pinset was and I don't really know how to explain it.
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: Holydiver]
#6178166 - 10/17/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man, I feel bad for you. Sorry to hear the news. Your other grows went so well!
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: Westnile]
#6179163 - 10/17/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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yep, casing layers are key for successful grows.
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: ohmatic]
#6179203 - 10/17/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Couldn't imagine not using a casing layer. After pulling out a 4oz flush, it ripped up the surface and exposed the myc underneath. Couldn't believe how dry the myc felt and when I poured water on it to see if I can get away without patching, the myc absorbed the water very poorly. So instead of dunking to repatch, I just layed down a thin, but very water-logged, layer of casing material.
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: zathan]
#6179553 - 10/17/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by Dihnekis (11/11/08 08:25 AM)
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Holydiver
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: Dihnekis]
#6179567 - 10/17/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why are you letting this thread bum you out? It's just the opinions of a few people, and like I said, I've had good results from uncased manure. Press on and judge for yourself, experiment a little. Uncased has major advantages, as you'll discover. Who cares about coming up an ounce short one flush anyways?
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Dihnekis
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: Holydiver]
#6179582 - 10/17/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by Dihnekis (11/11/08 08:25 AM)
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: Dihnekis]
#6179605 - 10/17/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only thing I can recommend for uncased poo is to let the manure provide its own humidty, i.e. in its own container. Nothing else I've tried works as well. Ex: Lay your substrate in a tub, let it colonize, and fan twice a day at the temps you mentioned, while getting indirect light. Don't worry about polyfill or holes of that mess, they're nice later on but you don't need them to get a nice crop. Just let the moisture from the manure do the rest. If the walls don't have water dripping down them, then mist them. That's it, keep it simple. Pic borrowed from T.H.E. to illustrate what I'm saying here:

p.s. I think that is actually my photo that I submitted to T.H.E., and they ended up asking me to use it.
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Dihnekis
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: Dihnekis]
#6179656 - 10/17/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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kungpow
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: Dihnekis]
#6180011 - 10/17/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want to check out a nice monotub grow check out the grow in my sig. I bet you'll like it. That was the third monotub i'd ever done. My best job so far, but I have a pretty nice setup going now. Trying to get 4 tubs in rotation.
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: kungpow]
#6180127 - 10/17/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Monotub w/o Casing [Re: Dihnekis]
#6180502 - 10/17/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone will argue that you can get better results with a casing layer than without one, but it also won't reduce your yields by 75% if you skip it.
You shouldn't dunk a manure substrate prior to first flush. You likely waterlogged your substrate, then in the high humidity of the monotub that moisture had nowhere to go. Remember, your substrate needs to be losing moisture in order to get the best pinset. A waterlogged substrate will perform poorly, as people who have set their cakes directly on perlite in a terrarium can attest. RR
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kungpow
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That must be the problem, but either way I will just stick to having a casing layer.
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