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Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site
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In our striving attempts to bring you quality mushrooms products,supplies, and accesories we are now introducing the Mini-Flow.
It is made of 3/4 inch plywood, has 2 2 inch thick hepa filters and the blower pushes out 236 cfp for a nice mellow breeze.
This one is in raw form and is how they are shipped, the buyer of this one would like it painted so I started (see the sealer bloch) then decided to take pics of exactly how it will look until you paint it.
It is 13 inches wide 14.5 inches tall and 15.5 deep

We can build to your specs depending but this depends on the size and quality of filters we can find.
You must pay in full before we will even buy the parts needed, for obvious reasons we do not want to get stuck with your hood.:)


 


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Dr.Bluethumbs
RAFFLE to help out GS and his 7 month old daughter

Edited by dimitri211 (04/25/02 12:20 AM)

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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Nice!
You said it has 2 hepa filters? Inside of the box? Why?
And does it have a prefilter in front of the blower?


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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Whats the price for it?

I didnt see it on your site.


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: Anno]
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it utilizes 2 -- 2 inch filters added protection IMO if you buy the larger ones for the larger flow hoods they are 6 inches thick so instead of the prefilter we used 2 filters this also helped limit the airflow with the one filter is was moving air very fast and when pouring petri's it was actually blowing the media around so I added a second.


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Dr.Bluethumbs
RAFFLE to help out GS and his 7 month old daughter

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: Jammer]
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Jammer the price will be different depending on the specs needed you will have to e-mail with details or if you are not sure what you want then I help you decide by determining what your usage and needs are then I price out all parts and we agree on the final price and you pay shipping.


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Dr.Bluethumbs
RAFFLE to help out GS and his 7 month old daughter

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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Seems a bit cheap and crappy for a product/service people will actually be paying for...

Why not sell professional hoods? Can't make enough $ that way?

camel


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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>"Seems a bit cheap and crappy for a product/service people will actually be paying for...

Why not sell professional hoods? Can't make enough $ that way?"


Ouch!!!!!!

LOL!!


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>>Jammer>>

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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Doesn't seem like it'd be big enough to do more than 2 or 3 jars in front of, why 2 filters, what are they air conditioner filters? Have you tested them with a particle meter to see if they achieve laminar flow?

Well at least you aren't calling it a flow hood.

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: SporePimp]
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Sporepimp: You are a vital assett to this community. With out your pimpin' i would have NEVER gotten spores to turn tricks for me round my neck of the woods...

be well
camel


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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You would be better advised on placing a coarser prefilter in front of the blower?s intake than using 2(expensive) hepa filters....
Just my 2c....


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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Well,

How much did you sell this one for ?

Don't leave us hangin.....we want a taste.


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: Roadkill]
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No shit!


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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i think, assuming that the s.p. you should be shooting for is 1", the 236 cfm may be too much for this size/square footage in the hood above. (is 236 right? ive only seen 100, 140, and 265- but not a 236? but i dont think ive seen them all!) ostensibly your fan would be working too hard and may create problems/overabundance of air within the chamber (or a backlog of air thru the fan, or a compromise of the box seal). you want to maintain over 100fpm, but doing a quick calc, youre almost 2x that... with that much pressure youd need a regulator on the fan to maintain the proper cfm rating (otherwise, you could risk the fan working too hard/burning up quicker than its normal shelflife, or causing a "ballooning" of air within the box, or just too much air going thru - which can always lead to an increase in contaminate exposure or just plain having it blow too hard over culturing). perhaps my math is wrong, i am just a humanities whore- let me know if my calcs are wrong.

also, 2 2" filters are not going to be as effective as the 6" size, esp. since 6" are specifically rated as to their resistance- by sticking 2 together you cannot accurately rate their resistance (which is necessary to calc the fan requirements to sq feet of filter surface). 6" filters, and flowhoods in general, work b/c the air has to pass thru so many layers while maintaining their 99.9% rating- throwing a 236cfm behind filters that cant handle that much pressure will just cause a drop in HEPA efficiency (and undermine the point of open-air work). also, since the HEPAs arent woven together (one piece), you have no way of ascertaining pressure loss between them, or know what is gathering between the HEPA sandwich...

i also think anno's right, putting in a prefilter is a good idea (but id keep at least the 2 HEPAs you already have, well actually i wouldnt go with them, but thats just me). it would increase the life of your HEPAs and also would help not make the fan work too hard by pre-screening the particulate matter before it reached the expensive HEPA- prefilters are more easily replaced and are way less expensive than HEPAs. by keeping the large particulate out of the air you add life to the HEPA in that it doesnt have to screen the air for large sized particulate as well as micron-sized particulate... also, having an open box (free air that has not been screened thru a prefilter lands in the box), you risk a buildup of larger particulate gathering in the box (or latyering the 1st side of the HEPA)- by having a prefilter under the fan (or, anywhere before open air reaches the box) you cut down on buildup. turning an off hood on stirs up a lot of crap if you have crap in your box to start with (from the air, from the previous work).

road, jammer- since d didnt give a price (i have no idea what he charges either)- the cost of the "big" materials should run ... 80 or so for the filter (assuming 6", which this isnt), and 80 or so for the fan (265cfm, price from a local shop)... wood, blood, sealant, hardware, etc. prolly would even it out to a little under 200 if making it yourself. but since i dont know the source of the HEPAs (hopefully not air conditioning ones)- those are just rough guesstimates, and of course dont include labor or shipping. (the fans are freaking heavy). probably way less since the filters cant be that expensive in relation to the 6" ones i used for my guesstimate. ((i wonder how close i came in guessing?))


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"Any data submitted to Shroomery.org becomes our property"

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: oscill8]
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So your educated guess is for over $200.

(I trust your opinion!)

Thanks.




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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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Seems a bit cheap and crappy for a product/service people will actually be paying for...

Why not sell professional hoods? Can't make enough $ that way?

The buyer of this one needed it smaller he has a very small work area so we adjusted to fit him.

um I don't think making 10 dollars is making money or enough "profit"

The plywood sheet was 30.00
The blower was 78.00
The filters were 27.00x2 54.00
The cord was 4.00
The switch 2.00
shipping 25.00
small trim wood was 10.00
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I charged him 175.00

at this rate I will be rich over night.
We had an agreement you would stay out of my threads and low and behold you seem to look for things to whine about.
Maybe you should stick to your word as I have stuck to mine.


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Dr.Bluethumbs
RAFFLE to help out GS and his 7 month old daughter

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
    #618276 -

dimitri now the bad news... by my calculations you lost 28 dollars..lol


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our s [Re: SouthernGent]
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Yup, that adds up to $203.


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WARNING chronicshroom will rip you off! Don't trade with him! I sent him 20 spore syringes and he never sent me anything.

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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>"The plywood sheet was 30.00
>The blower was 78.00
>The filters were 27.00x2 54.00
>The cord was 4.00
>The switch 2.00
>shipping 25.00
>small trim wood was 10.00
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> I charged him 175.00

That is very interesting indeed! so you actually lost $28 on yer hood...

i would sure hate to be your tax auditer!

be well
camel


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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Who gives a shit how much or what ever it is ......... if your gonna buy it buy it....... if not then shut the fuck up ..... this is getting boring even for ME!

Brown.


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: LeaveMeAlone]
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i just find it TERRIBLY amusing when vendors lie...

:laugh:

be well
camel


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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Sure is a purdy flow hood tho.........

you could stain and varnish it to match your furniture :laugh: 


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: LeaveMeAlone]
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> Sure is a purdy flow hood tho.........

are we talking about the same hood?

hmmm
camel


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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dimitri lies to me all the time.
He says he will ship what I ordered off the site.
But when things arrive, there is about 2 times the amout of the product I ordered.
Who is this piece-of-crap? If I order 10 pounds of spawnmate, why ship me 20?!
And he needs to learn simple math too.
since when does "a few filterpatch bags" mean 50?
And a suprise package shows up....I am scared to open it, thinking maybe he shipped me his first-born child....
LOL....

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: oscill8]
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I had a box like dimitri's and packed the thing with polyfil. It never failed me.
Is this a good idea?
I just did it to see if it worked, and i could pack it to the desired flowrate...approximately.

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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>"That is very interesting indeed! so you actually lost $28 on yer hood..."


Yea, but he makes up for it in "volume" sales!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Edited by Jammer (04/25/02 03:45 PM)

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: feito]
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i s'pose for me it would boil down to character...

if i cant respect the character of my vendor, then why would i allow myself to part with money to benefit them?

y'all have to understand one thing... the vendors could give 2 shits about you all... what they DO care about is the few dollars you can contribute to the "padding of their pockets" fund. they send the extra items in hopes that you will become "return business" only to pad their pockets even more. and if they send you extra items, then you'll tell all your friends on here making THEM customers as well (more $ for the vendor)... i mean... how would YOU like making $20,000, $50,000, or $100,000 a year just to send packages to kids such as yourselves?

The moral is: don't kid yourself into thinking the vendors "care" about you, because often that is not the case... it is merely an illusion aimed at getting you and your friends to generate more money for them.

i s'pose i look at things WAY too logically (scares me sometimes)

provactively honest,
camel



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Edited by camel (04/25/02 06:43 PM)

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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Now thats funny.
You have obviously not been around for long.
So you have hung out w/ Ralph, Hawke,Stamets, or Corbin?
Did they make YOU buy dinner?
A vendor is a vendor. They dont "vend" for nothing.
Grow up and learn to deal with your real problems in life instead of venting your "prozac exhaust" here.

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: feito]
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> You have obviously not been around for long.

look at my profile, bud...  ive been here 3 years longer than you (actually longer, didnt register on the forums for about 8 months after i had been in the chat etc)  in fact i was moderator of the Cultivation forum for a while there :wink:

all i can do is hope that someday the truth will reveal itself to you

until then... :smile:
camel


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Don't do drugs.

Edited by camel (04/25/02 07:00 PM)

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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outside, not on other people" - Aldous Huxley

Edited by phrozendata (04/25/02 07:28 PM)

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: phrozendata]
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What does this have to do with maturity?

i merely stating facts. facts are void of both maturity/immaturity

be well
camel


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Don't do drugs.

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: phrozendata]
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you got it.
vendors "vend" for money.
they send free products so i will tell friends.
but they still have wild ideas that loose money.
i can only hope they make money somehow. ...
Camel, so sorry if i am cranky....the computer thing is kinda new to me.
I have been "hold-up" in the mountains too long.
Lets not bicker about a plywood box!! lolz

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: feito]
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I too am held up in the mountains...

my goal is at least to open a couple peoples' eyes to the big picture...  even if my honesty causes one person to step back and take a look at the grand scheme of things and what is *REALLY* going on, then i can walk away happy

i dont mean to sound harsh, although at times it comes across that way.  my thing has always been honesty, and sometimes being too honest has gotten me into trouble so it's all good :wink:

be well
camel


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Don't do drugs.

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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id actually hope that people could keep this on topic- if it gets locked, no one will be able to see or respond to many of the constructive comments about flowhoods posted here (but have not as to yet been addressed by the vendor). camel and others, i hope you know i mean no disrespect, but i think the topic of these hoods is interesting, and there is much more to be said thats interesting/debatable/questionable about the subject of these hoods rather than the infighting about other topics. ((put another way- argue about the hood, so the criticisms/questions about it dont get lost when it gets locked by a mod)).

to keep it back on topic:

feito, packing your "hood" with polyfil will of course slow the rate of air from your dayton. but, the purpose of the HEPAs is not to slow or control the airflow, but instead to trap the micron-sized contaminates which flow from the air before they reach your open-air work. HEPAs work as they are many many layers of material, "layered" together and physically reinforced to properly direct airflow (in an even and straight manner). polyfil does not offer the same sort of protections as a HEPA does, or its construction in directing flow- HEPAs screen down to .1-.3 microns, enough to catch possible contaminates while still allowing active airflow to blow away any possible settling that happens outside the hood and on top of culturing. and yes, it may be way less expensive to use polyfil, but if expense is a concern, a properly built glovebox can be come by for much less (and be more effective than a "hood" with improper filtration). incidentally, the dayton/fan/blower itself would cost more than the entire glovebox to put together (unless you have a hookup thru non-retail means, blowers of a good size run about 80, while decent and various gloveboxes can be had for way less).

since there has been little conversation in general about proper creation of hoods, and maybe someone besides me has to be interested in the creation of a hood (or what goes into creating a proper hood for open air work), id like to offer up a few humble suggestions on where to start if youre interested in them... a very good starting point to learn about building a laminar flow hood can be found in TMC, p 347- (available from the shroomery bookstore, see anno's sig for a link). the forest floor also has quite a few good links and resources for building a hood in their "archives" section, along with personal creations by those who ahve come before. also, flowhoods are not just used by mycologists- orchid hobbiests utilize them as well (and often have online links to look at their homemade creations). fungi.com also has them, but quite expensive! (stamets has to make some money, right?)

for anyone interested, heres the proper calculation for fan cfm to square footage of HEPA (from TMC, pp 350):

"...[T]he resistance of all micron filters are measured in inches of static pressure of a certain air speed. A standard resistance for a micron filter of this type is .75-1.00 inches of static pressure. Because extended surface filters have a high initial resistance, the housing must tightly hold the HEPA filter so that impure air is not sucked into the exiting airstream.

"To calculate the correct fan/filter combination, take the net cfm of the fan at the filter's rated level of resistance and divide that number by the square footage of the filter face. Ideally, that number will be 100 feet per minute, the optimum range for air velocity in laminar flow systems. An example will more clearly illustrate this basic principle.

"IF a micron filter measures 2 feet long by 2 feet high and 6 inches deep and has a static pressure rating of 1.0 inches of resistance, the fan required would have to be capable of pushing 400 cfm at 1 inch of static pressure.

"IF X = the desired net cfm of a fan at 1" s.p. and
Y = 4 square feet (the square footage of the filter face)
THEN X = 100 feet per minute x Y
X = 100 feet per minute x 4 square feet
X = 400 cubic feet per minute..."

Paul Stamets, J.S. Chilton, ? 1983.

((maybe someone could tell me now if my calcs were wrong above?))


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: oscill8]
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no worries...

i spoke my piece...  not much more i can say that i havent already said :smile:

camel


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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: oscill8]
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here is my only problem why the fuck are you people jamming(not jammer) up my thread we posted this to let peole know we will make items by request, I find shit like that fun
feito
I love the fact you stepped up and took no prisoners but you are involved with a crew that likes to start shit just to see you get you ass hairs all tied up (I have a feeling this may be what he jerks off to.)
There is no need for any of this shit Advice is good who cares if I lost a few bucks on a friend why is it anyone elses concern this guy has been a customer since day one he has spent his fair share of money at our site and I have no problem losing a few bucks to help out.

All of you seem to be concerned about how much we do or do not make we make SHIT trust me this is a hobby and I enjoy this I give so much shit away to needy individuals that it is not even funny.
BUT people like you camel little pieces of shit in the wheels of everyday life make this hobby a bitch and totally take any enjoyment out of it.
Go away man you and your kind are not needed here


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Dr.Bluethumbs
RAFFLE to help out GS and his 7 month old daughter

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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That was refreshing. Thanks!

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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who me? starts shit?
maybe i am misunderstood.
pm me or email me.
i hope you are not replying to me.....
i have never started shit here...just try to stay out of it.
but if people want the real shit....i can post REALITY.

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: feito]
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hahahaha lol.....i must be on fucking mars.
sorry doc.
you will get the REALITY pics in a few days.
and i think you will like them.
massive compost pics.
too much stress at work, sorry guys.

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: dimitri211]
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In reply to:

here is my only problem why the fuck are you people jamming(not jammer) up my thread we posted this to let peole know we will make items by request, I find shit like that fun
feito
I love the fact you stepped up and took no prisoners but you are involved with a crew that likes to start shit just to see you get you ass hairs all tied up (I have a feeling this may be what he jerks off to.)
There is no need for any of this shit Advice is good who cares if I lost a few bucks on a friend why is it anyone elses concern this guy has been a customer since day one he has spent his fair share of money at our site and I have no problem losing a few bucks to help out.

All of you seem to be concerned about how much we do or do not make we make SHIT trust me this is a hobby and I enjoy this I give so much shit away to needy individuals that it is not even funny.
BUT people like you camel little pieces of shit in the wheels of everyday life make this hobby a bitch and totally take any enjoyment out of it.
Go away man you and your kind are not needed here



I've read many of your posts here over the last year and my impression of you as a vendor is not a good one. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this impression. There are many reasons for this, no point in going into those. I will say that it does come down to character.

As far as who needs to go away, I 'm not at all sure that your kind is needed here. You seem to have found a niche here and have many admirers. It's funny to me how shit like that works.

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: SergeantStedenko]
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I find it funny that the only people to ever whine or complain are none customers.
And they do not whine about something that is even worth whining about.
I could really give a shit what your opinion is.
EVERY customer and or person who I have done business with has benn happy with it.
Now I ask that you leave my thread.


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RAFFLE to help out GS and his 7 month old daughter

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Re: Dr.Bluethumbs now has miniflow (pics) on our site [Re: camel]
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"The moral is: don't kid yourself into thinking the vendors "care" about you, because often that is not the case... it is merely an illusion aimed at getting you and your friends to generate more money for them. "


that's business. whether you like it or not, that's the way business goes!

some say that the best businessmen toe the line between ethical and non-ethical, i tend to agree. It's a business, you have to be money hungry, or else you lose money, and that's not the reason you started as an entrepeneur. Just my opinion.peace

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