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Re: The Gaia Hypothesis, evolutionary morality and the next step [Re: Moonshoe]
    #6178585 - 10/17/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

About the first part I agree wholeheartedly. much much :thumbup:

The second part I have to reread, as I don't think morality necessarily stems from a 'complex' mind.
"All of these animals display some form of morality, some form of altruism, some capacity to put the other before the self."
What about ants, or bees ? And dolphins are not really soo cute. They can act quite violent on 'outsiders' (even from 'within' their group) or other cases I forgot at the moment :crazy:
Morality seems to originally stem from some universal principle, beginning with the smallest self, then concerning the immediate surroundings, and then further outgoing and outranging interaction-areas which might be in concern.
The range of this concern is relative. Ants are small but they concern many individuals as hive. Bees too, but they concern a much larger area as they can fly.
Humans are a bit bigger and their brain is more complex, but is their 'care' for their enlarged surrounding (hopefully their self, their family, society, enlarged on their environment, the planet, the universe) is qualitatively any different then the ant caring about the hive ??
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Re: The Gaia Hypothesis, evolutionary morality and the next step [Re: TrippinNinjaBuddha]
    #6182280 - 10/18/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

TNB and slaphappy, yes, good points. Perhaps I thought too fast :thumbup:

Do simpler organisms really don't have any relation to morality other than in our minds ?
processing...

Hmmm...perhaps yes. They do moral things, but without knowing about them...
...processing...
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perhaps they are simply limited on their choice about morality :smile:
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Re: The Gaia Hypothesis, evolutionary morality and the next step [Re: Moonshoe]
    #6190709 - 10/20/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

"And to answer another posters question, yes i think this differs very significantly from the actions of a bee in blind service to the hive.

I think this is the first real emergence of the seeds of a true spiritual morality"
This other poster was me.
Hmm ? You think only those complex brains will build up the first real emergence of the seeds of a true spiritual morality ?
After processing that a while and thinking in both directions I have to disagree and stay with my first statement.
I always can see the outcome of 'human' morality in more simple organisms as well....very much.
They simply have no way to chose, that makes the difference, as they live out their most effective way of life.
But I see, as well, perhaps that what you meant, and that would be 'intention'. This is a lack in simpler complex forms of existence, as they were defined out of themselves, unlike us, who might forget that too easily.
Those intentions, who are in opposite to the natural most effective way of survival, this seems mostly to come from more complex life-forms.


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