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 Re: Unable to Trip Anymore  [Re: Xlea321]
#617573 - 04/24/02 04:45 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I, too, know what you are talking about. Although I have not yet reached a state where the shroom does nothing for me, my usage has tapered substantially (I think it has been a few months since my last trip... just thought of an interesting dialog, I'll save it for later though).
A little background...
I didn't first start tripping until I was 18 (summer, freshman year of college). It was more of a rebellious act- I didn't know where I was going for sure in life and it was a sort of desperate destructive act...
Which brings up...
I had also been told by my parents since I was in the 4th grade to stay away from "little paper stamps" (acid... duh) because I was allergic to the drug on them. This whole "allergy" myth came about because I had a mole removed (my mother was a hypochondriac- "It's cancer!! Oh God!!"). They doctors used Ketalar (aka Ketamine) as an anesthetic (in addition to something else). Apparently my parents misunderstood what the doctor had said and they thought that I had a severe allergic reaction or some crap. Later, just before my first trip.. the night of, I looked at my medical records to see exactly what happened. I forget the actual wording, but basically I was somewhat sensitive (not allergic) to the drug and I was treated with plain ol' ordinary OXYGEN. I was a little pissed when I found out, because I had tons of opportunities in high school to try LSD (my buddy was a frickin' dealer). Maybe I was better off taking it later, yeah, probably.
So I tripped. It was beautiful (kinda weak looking back on it, but at the time... superb). The next day I was an emotional wreck. The next few months I took acid every weekend (around the same people, same location for the most part... basically, the same set and setting). I tripped ten times in close succession... I learned alot about myself.
Then I wanted to get away from the drug buying/selling scene... it always made me feel uncomfortable. I turned to shrooms. I first tried growing them... then I found the fields... then I grew some again and hit the fields every summer anyways... then I found 5-meo-dipt... ran out, but didn't care cause I still had shrooms.... Now I'm up to present.
I tripped around 40 times (I have it written down- # times per drug- but I don't feel like looking for my journal). I think I started out tripping once every week, then it went to once every two weeks (strong doses kept me happy at the two week interval), then it went to once a month, then once every two months, then once every three months, now I think it has been close to five months (I'm due for a healthy dose real soon)...
But the reason for why the intervals between trips is getting longer is because the whole psychedelic experience was becoming less significant (not that my drug tolerance was increasing, the drug just didn't really change my mindset all that much).
I look at it this way...
When you have a somewhat rigid system and you throw in a shitload of randomness, the system is totally overwhelmed and the change the ensues is quite significant. As this rigid system is bombarded, it adapts...
After so many sessions of random bombardment and adaptation, the system is highly adaptable. So now, when the system is bombarded, there is little change, because the system can adapt so quickly.
This is why I let so much time pass between trips. I wait until my system has enough rigidity or fragmentation so as to not waste my time bombarding it.
BTW, I have an interesting theory of REM sleep, well, it's how I often look at it... basically our brains are defragmenting during REM, that's why our dreams are so fucked up (and also maybe why we can't remember them... severed connections- remember, our brain is a parallel distributed processor).
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 Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Sclorch]
#617595 - 04/24/02 05:00 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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that sound like shroomeisms analogy of brains being like computer as found in this thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum11&Number=611408&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart= i think it make good sense of computer as brain and backwards.
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Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Sclorch]
#617605 - 04/24/02 05:14 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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(I think it has been a few months since my last trip... just thought of an interesting dialog, I'll save it for later though).
You remind of going to Catholic confession as a youth. "Father, it has been 3 months since my last trip..." Heh heh.
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 Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Tao_Shin_Li]
#617606 - 04/24/02 05:15 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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A computer is a closed system.
I posit that the brain is not.
That analogy is over 100 years old (Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine, 1830s I think).
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Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Swami]
#617608 - 04/24/02 05:17 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Father, it has been 3 months since my last trip..."
That was the dialog!!!!
You must have your shortwave set to the same frequency.
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Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Sclorch]
#617616 - 04/24/02 05:29 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Please don't tell anyone that I am psychic, else it will be difficult to retain my hard-nosed skeptic reputation.
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 Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Swami]
#617648 - 04/24/02 05:57 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think you have to worry about that... reputations (perceptions?) seem to never change in here.
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Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Sclorch]
#617692 - 04/24/02 06:56 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Swami: I feel the same way. I made a post a few months back entitled; DONE WITH MUSHROOMS?
Sclorch: Computers are no longer a closed system. They get input every single day just as our brains do.
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 Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: MentalHygene]
#617700 - 04/24/02 07:09 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's not what I mean by closed system...
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Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Sclorch]
#617787 - 04/24/02 09:29 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think you have to worry about that... reputations (perceptions?) seem to never change in here.
True. With all the posting about no past or future, just the present moment; there is a great deal of emotionalism (baggage) that some "NOW" proponents carry forward into each new discussion.
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Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Sclorch]
#617845 - 04/24/02 10:41 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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What did you mean?
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 Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: Sclorch]
#618033 - 04/25/02 03:03 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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i've had a few periods where my psych use was pretty frequent... each ended with my becoming stuck in the Beat for a while, acting crazy and messing up relationships because i couldn't interact calmly with the square world. i'm a firm believer in aldous huxley's suggestion that you trip twice a year, and in terrance mckenna's that you take a heroic dose as nothing less will clear out the clutter in the third eye and get you chuggin'. i only need to remember the Seed; a nibble's enough, gobblin' is greed. hehe that sucked 
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Re: Unable to Trip Anymore [Re: MentalHygene]
#618236 - 04/25/02 09:31 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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MentalHygene-
Well, it isn't a short conversation or explanation.
Basically, philosophers interested in the mind are also interested in Artificial Intelligence (I find this field quite fascinating as well). Most of these philosophers agree that the human mind is a Parallel Distributed Processor (information is not localized, it is distributed across the whole)... I like this idea. They also tend to think that the brain is a deterministic system, which is where we part ways. Most of the arguments for determinism center on direct comparison of the human brain to a computer (not the kind I'm typing on... a PDP computer). (Goddamn this is gonna take forever...)
I tell you what, if you really want to duke it out on this matter, I can't really explain 500 pages in a short post (you wouldn't want to read it that way either). So, check out these books:
"The Mind's I" by Douglas R. Hofstadter (author of Godel, Escher, Bach...)
"The Philosophy of Artificial Intelligence" by Margaret A. Boden
"Artificial Intelligence" by Jack Copeland
Try the Hofstadter first (he's more entertaining).
They are all determinists, unfortunately. I see determinism as the easy way out... thinking for myself seems too real to just chalk it up to "illusion". So, read up on AI (it isn't really about building robots... it's more about learning about how thoughts and brains work- it is not hard reading).
I'm really not side-stepping your question. The computer is a system of logic gates... the brain is loosely similar to this, but it is capable of pattern recognition. Computers can only recognize the patterns they were programmed to recognize (the driving force behind thinking is not present in a computer either)... they are not nearly as adaptable (as humans) in environments that we easily negotiate everyday. This is why computers are closed systems (and why we are not).
Once you get into this field, you realize how much we take for granted (even simple thinking like "if I jump off this building, I'll die. I don't want to jump off this building.").
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 Strain? [Re: Sclorch]
#621962 - 04/29/02 03:19 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was recently mentioned to me that my high anxiety may have been due to the strain of mushroom, rather than my attitude. I know that this has been much discussed elsewhere, but worth re-opening the case.
On this particular occasion, I had a mix, but they were mostly deformed popcorn-like Kai Somais from Thailand.
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Re: Strain? [Re: Swami]
#622038 - 04/29/02 07:15 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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There could be several reasons.
One is that maybe you were doing it to often, and you need to take a brake.
The other one could be the setting, were do you usually do it?
And yes it could be that for now you don't need it, just fallow what your body says.
But if you wana give it another try I will recommend taking it with Syrian rue, it works very good for me.
Good luck
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Re: Strain? [Re: LOBO]
#622040 - 04/29/02 07:22 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm not sure of the direct source of the information, but a wise traveler told me a story. Back in the 60s, someone went around with alot of acid and upon giving a shaman/monk a rather large dose of the LSD, the shaman replied. 'I get much higher off of meditation. The drugs have no effect.'
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super-cool...
i had a meditation teacher who (i'm told by a fellow student) once took acid from Tim Leary himself. she reported no effect. *grin* that must be an interesting place to keep your brain
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Re: Strain? [Re: LOBO]
#622079 - 04/29/02 08:55 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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One is that maybe you were doing it to often, and you need to take a brake.
The other one could be the setting, were do you usually do it?
4 times in 20 years is probably not too frequently.
The other one could be the setting, were do you usually do it?
Home alone with my keyboards and no possible disturbances is as safe an environment as one could get.
And yes it could be that for now you don't need it, just fallow what your body says.
Could be...
But if you wana give it another try I will recommend taking it with Syrian rue, it works very good for me.
Don't doubt your experience, but have also read of negative experiences with rue on Erowid.
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It was Ram Daas/Richard Alpert. Not sure whether any of it was true - he said a holy man materialised in front of him and he gave the guru LSD and he just sat there "twinkling", then he mysteriously vanished into the air and was never seen again.
Sounds like horseshit to me.
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Re: Strain? [Re: Swami]
#622197 - 04/29/02 11:48 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Swami, i dont know if you have tried this but i used to have trouble altering my consiousness on shrroms and this has helped alot.
Try eating only one or two small shrooms and wait about 45-60min until you can feel the slight effect. then eat as you normally would.
i have found that the sudden, unwilled impact of an experiance can be so confusing as to blind one from the higher possibilities of the shroom. Being able to ease into it has helped me considerably in transcending normal conciousess.
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Edited by Catalysis (04/29/02 11:51 AM)
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