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 Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 
#6168484 - 10/14/06 10:17 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Black Boxes Located in Pentagon Rubble
By Leef Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 14, 2001; 9:21 AM
Both the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon on Tuesday were recovered early this morning, Arlington assistant county manager Dick Bridges said today.
Members of the FBI Evidence Response Team found both black boxes - data and voice recorders - at 3:40 a.m. today. "It's a step forward in the investigation ... it's a step forward for America," Bridges said.
He described the data box as "charred" and the voice recorder as "bad." He said the boxes were found where investigators had expected they would be but wasn't more specific.
"It wasn't any real secret where we were expected to find the boxes. It was just a matter of getting to them," he said.
He said earlier reports that there had been a signal from one of the Pentagon boxes were false.
"This is a step forward, as opposed to stasis," Bridges said. "It's a significant development, and we're moving ahead."
On the workers who found the boxes said he was pleased to have found the data recorder, "but by the same token, I'd much rather find someone alive."
Bridges also said the fire from Thursday night was under control but workers expected nuisance fires to continue to flare up.
"The wind is a concern because of spot fires. We never declared the fire to be extinguished - just under control."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn...14%ACFound=true
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November 30, 2001
Forensic feat IDs nearly all Pentagon victims
by Christopher C. Kelly
Armed Forces Institute of Pathology
What some experts have called "the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history" ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.
A multidisciplinary team of more than 50 forensic specialists, scientists, and support personnel from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, with headquarters at Walter Reed, played a major role in Operation Noble Eagle investigations, officials said.
Many of the casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said. Of the 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were passengers on American Airlines Flight 77. Only one of those who died made it to the hospital. The rest were killed on site, and for some, only pieces of tissue could be found.
AFIP's team of forensic pathologists, odontologists, a forensic anthropologist, DNA experts, investigators, and support personnel worked for over two weeks in the mortuary at Dover Air Force Base, Del., and for weeks at the DNA lab in Rockville, to identify the victims of the attack.
"Our staff represented every branch of the service," said AFIP Director Navy Capt. Glenn N. Wagner. "We also received tremendous support from the doctors, nurses, and technicians stationed at Dover who participated in the investigation."
The investigation mobilized AFIP assets in many ways. In the hours following the crash Sept. 11, the acting armed forces medical examiner, Air Force Col. AbuBakr Marzouk, worked with FBI and local Virginia law enforcement officials to create a plan for recovering and identifying the victims.
At the same time, personnel from the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner positioned and staged equipment to begin operations at Dover. Air Force Maj. Bruce Ensign served as AFIP's team leader at the site.
"We immediately called in regional medical examiners from as far away as San Diego to participate," Ensign said. A total of 12 forensic pathologists, assisted by two AFIP staff pathologists, headed the investigation team. Also arriving at Dover during those early critical hours were two other key AFIP groups: forensic scientists from OAFME's Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory and oral pathologists from the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology.
AFDIL scientists ensured data systems and records were available to make DNA identifications, while the oral pathology group created a triage area to conduct positive dental identifications. Contacts were also made with family services in each branch of the military to obtain ante-mortem information and reference material. Mortuary operations were fully underway by the evening of Sept. 13. AFIP used a well-defined and tested system for conducting the identifications of the Pentagon victims. When remains arrived at the morgue, a scanning device searched for the presence of unexploded ordnance or metallic foreign bodies. A computerized tracking system assigned numbers to each victim for efficient tracking.
FBI experts collected trace evidence to search for chemicals from explosive devices and conducted fingerprint identifications. Forensic dentistry experts from the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology performed dental charting and comparison with ante-mortem dental records. Full-body radiographs followed to document skeletal fractures and assist in the identification process, followed by autopsy inspection.
At autopsy, forensic pathologists determined the cause and manner of death, aided by forensic anthropologist Dr. William C. Rodriguez in determining the race, sex, and stature of victims. A board-certified epidemiologist managed the tracking system for data collected during the autopsy process, and tissue samples were collected for DNA identification and further toxicology studies. Forensic photographers, essential to any forensic investigation, documented injuries and personal effects. Mortuary specialists then embalmed, dressed, and casketed remains prior to release to next-of-kin.
For eight days a full complement of AFIP forensic specialists worked 12-hour shifts to complete the operation.
"This is the largest mass fatality we've dealt with in recent years," Ensign said. "We have modalities today that we didn't have before. Our investigation was much more technology-intensive." Ensign noted the entire team worked well together. "Because of the combined effort of all three services and the FBI, we were very pleased with the speed of the identification process. Essential records and references were submitted to us in a timely way."
Logistical help from AFIP also played an important role. "We had tremendous logistical issues obtaining equipment, especially with additional demands in New York City and Somerset County, Pa.," he said. "Fortunately our logistical support was terrific in helping us get material in." The Dover mortuary sent specimens back to the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville.
Teams of forensic scientists, under the direction of Demris Lee, technical leader of the Nuclear DNA Section, took over the difficult chore of generating a DNA profile of the victims. Their work included not only the Pentagon crash victims, but the victims of the Somerset County crash as well. Every one of the organization's 102 DNA analysts, sample processors, logistics staff, and administrative personnel were involved -- from collecting, tracking, analyzing DNA samples, and gathering and logging DNA reference material to preparing DNA reports. For 18 days following the terrorist attacks, AFDIL employees worked on 12-hour shifts, seven days a week to meet the mission requirements.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/stripe/6%5F48/national%5Fnews/12279%2D1.html
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 Re: Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 [Re: Luddite]
#6169394 - 10/14/06 04:06 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77
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By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D
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Official autopsy pg2
Official autopsy pg3
.... Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that “crashed” on that day.
A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable.
When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even before Sep 11th, that airlines are pretty meticulous about getting an accurate headcount before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me, that five Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.
This is the list provided by American of the 56 passengers:
On September 27th, the FBI published photos of the “hijackers” of Flight 77:
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), does a miraculous job and identified nearly all the bodies on November 16th 2001.
The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were “passengers” on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained has 58. They did not explain how they were able to tell “victims” bodies from “hijacker” bodies. In fact, from the beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up the difference, and that makes it so.
Now, being the trusting sort, I figured that the government would want to quickly dispel any rumors so we could get on with the chore of kicking Osama/Sadaam’s butt (weren’t these originally two different people?). It seemed simple to me. . .produce the names of all the bodies identified by the AFIP and compare it with the publicized list of passengers. So, I sent a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the AFIP and asked for an expedited response, because we were getting ready to send our boys to war on the pretext that Osama/Sadaam had done the deed. Fourteen months later, a few US soldiers dead, many Iraqi civilians pushing up daisies, and I finally get the list. Believe me that they weren’t a bit happy to give it up, and I really have no idea why they choose now to release it.
No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab; however, three ADDITIONAL people not listed by American Airline sneaked in. I have seen no explanation for these extras. I did give American the opportunity to “revise” their original list, but they have not responded. The new names are: Robert Ploger, Zandra Ploger, and Sandra Teague. The AFIP claims that the only “passenger” body that they were not able to identify is the toddler, Dana Falkenberg, whose parents and young sister are on the list of those identified. The satanic masterminds behind this caper may be feeling pretty smug about the perfect crime, but they have left a raft of clues tying these unfortunates together. Stay tuned for part two to take a much closer look of the cast of characters on this ill-fated flight.
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Re: Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 [Re: sparks8]
#6170332 - 10/14/06 10:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats very interesting. This is why I don't like the theory's of no planes, and missles, and every other theory on 'how' it all happened. Its not really important how it happened at this point. We all saw the planes on television. The main question is WHO is responsible. This wasn't some accident, or done by some ragtag muslim cavemen. I'm not pointing fingers directly at the government for the act itself.. but there is a coverup going on. Without hard evidence nothing can be proven, so its all speculation, which causes so much arguing it changes the focus of the tragedy.
Arabs as a whole are being blamed, and the problem is that the list of people accused has been proven to be inaccurate. They arn't on the flight lists, their bodies were never recovered, a few have come forward proven they are still alive.. its really crazy that a country can be invaded over such a mistake. patsies
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Re: Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 [Re: J4S0N]
#6171187 - 10/15/06 09:07 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
No Arabs found.
But we do know as an absolute fact that Arabs flew the airplanes into the Pentagon. If the police came to your house and found no drugs does that mean you don't use drugs?
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Re: Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 [Re: Luddite]
#6171237 - 10/15/06 09:36 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Luddite said:
But we do know as an absolute fact that Arabs flew the airplanes into the Pentagon. If the police came to your house and found no drugs does that mean you don't use drugs?
no we don't. show me one absolute fact that proves there was an arab at the controls.
As far as a court of law is conserned, yes that means i don't use drugs.
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Re: Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 [Re: Luddite]
#6171835 - 10/15/06 01:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hell, why then would it be so difficult for investigators to show us their boarding tickets with their names on them, or something similar? Have you seen any document that proves they were even on the planes? And as you know, taking a flight leaves many such documents behind. Did they show even one? The only thing I saw is security cam footage from an airport with Atta and one or two other guys. What kind of absolute fact does that prove? And also, even if they were on the planes, how do you know who was flying them?
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Re: Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 [Re: Aldous]
#6171847 - 10/15/06 01:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't get it, if it's going to be a coverup, why doesn't the government completely stage it identical to how they're telling the media, so they don't get caught? That makes sense, and anyone with half a brain can understand that the government has the ability to hire people to do just what they did, and then there wouldn't be questions.
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Re: Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 [Re: Maverick]
#6171879 - 10/15/06 01:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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the official story is accepted. whoever did it did all they needed to do.
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Re: Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 [Re: Maverick]
#6172094 - 10/15/06 02:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey, spare them, they did the best they could. Do you really think everything went according to plan, or they could have controlled every aspect of reality if they had wanted to? They've been doing some great damage control, look at how many people still believe them despite the load of remaining questions, suspicious "coincidences" and evidence of deception and cover-up. They even tricked you, so it seems.
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Re: Proof Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on 911 [Re: Luddite]
#6172139 - 10/15/06 03:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Luddite said:
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No Arabs found.
But we do know as an absolute fact that Arabs flew the airplanes into the Pentagon. If the police came to your house and found no drugs does that mean you don't use drugs?
Lol, it would certainly mean that no drugs were present in the house.
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