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VirgilKane
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Graft oddity question
#6159203 - 10/11/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm new to grafting and currently have three Loph. grafts going that are about 3 or 4 months old. I just have a regular question about the bumps on these two. Are they pups or is this what babies look like when they start to turn into real buttons?
First one:


Second one:

My second question is WTF is going on with this guy? Is that a root coming out of it? I grafted onto the older part of a Pere. and the graft hasn't grown any, but it hasn't shriveled up and died either.
Is it just sitting there sealed up and being kept from drying out by the Pere. and now has decided to put out a root to try and find some nourishment?

Thanks for any advice on this!
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Re: Graft oddity question [Re: VirgilKane]
#6159586 - 10/11/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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those bumps are normal shape for the cacti. its a little more pronounced and shows up sooner due to the grafting. there not pups.
that thingy does look like a root, how long has it been grafted?
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Re: Graft oddity question [Re: Vertigo6911]
#6159686 - 10/11/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool. thanks!
The one with the root has been grafted about two months or so.
The other two have been grafted a little longer...about three months.
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Re: Graft oddity question [Re: VirgilKane]
#6160962 - 10/12/06 04:14 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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mm well then it doesnt look like its going anywhere. try pushing it a little, if it comes off easily its a more or less failed graft.
just put the scion on some soiland it should develop roots further and with a little luck it will grow and u can try grafting it again later.
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Re: Graft oddity question [Re: VirgilKane]
#6160964 - 10/12/06 04:14 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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mm well then it doesnt look like its going anywhere. try pushing it a little, if it comes off easily its a more or less a failed graft.
just put the scion on some soiland it should develop roots further and with a little luck it will grow and u can try grafting it again later.
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Re: Graft oddity question [Re: Vertigo6911]
#6161058 - 10/12/06 05:31 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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It looks like the last picture is effectively a failed graft. Just because it doesn't come off easily doesn't mean that it'll proceed to grow. I have a similar graft (albiet on a pereskiopsis) that hasn't taken beyond swelling up slightly in the first week. If I were you I'd cut the graft off leaving a thin sliver of the stock still attached & plant this in soil to allow the root to develop. Alternatively you could cut the scion (or indeed just the root) & graft this onto another stock.
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Re: Graft oddity question [Re: BlueDruid]
#6161772 - 10/12/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry I haven't got back to you. BUSY, BUSY, BUSY. I had one throw out air roots too. After cuting it off it grew back twice. It did not stop growing untill I flamed a scalpel and cut it of while it was still hot. I was tempted to just let it grow but it started to pusk the graft apart. The other ones are doing just fine. They get a little bumpy as they fatten up.
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Re: Graft oddity question [Re: cricket]
#6161982 - 10/12/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys.
Since it hasn't taken off like the others, I figured it had failed and did have the thought of just cutting the Perskiopsis off below that areole and sinking the whole thing in soil up to the Loph. root. Maybe get the Pere. to take root and have the best of both Worlds...unless the Loph. root digs in and then they have a tug of war. Oh well, should be interesting anyway! 
Decisions, decisions.......
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Re: Graft oddity question [Re: VirgilKane]
#6167277 - 10/13/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep. Failed graft.
I was having trouble cutting through the hard Pere and it kinda whipped off of the side of the pencil I had behind it to keep from cutting my finger and the scion catapulted off.
I was able to find it and set it back in soil.
Any good Karma would be appreciated!
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Re: Graft oddity question [Re: VirgilKane]
#6170037 - 10/14/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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glad to say that most of my peresk grafts have taken pretty well, but some were absorbed by the stock. Id say i have about 80% success. Havent had really any success with root grafts, this being due to the fact that I graft at about 3 weeks from seed. anyone know if i can fatten up a pereskiopsis cross section by rooting it and removing any shoots?
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