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So I met this religious fanatic tonight...
    #6167768 - 10/14/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

He believes that the earth was created ten thousand years ago along with humans and everything else. Carbon dating doesn't work. Only humans have consciousness. The soul and the ego are one and the same. Jesus did many miracles and was born of a virgin. Meditating, or clearing your mind leaves it open for the devil to enter and trick your mind. I tried to argure many valid points across to him but everytime it was bible this, bible that. Jesus said this, jesus said that. Bullshit. Then everytime I tried to reference something that I've learned through books, he said that it was just something someone said and there was no proof, and then he told me that the devil got me to believe these things. I tried to tell him that he's bound by a fucking book that was written by who the fuck knows, and thats what he bases his entired llife on, unknown authors from a time when people believed in magic and all that sort of thing. BLah. He wouldn't shut up. I'm a firm believer in free thinking, and jesus taught NOT to think, but to have faith. ANd that knowledge is evil. Something like that. Has anyone ever come across this kind of person, I wish I had known something to say that would have boggled his mind, and i thought I did, but he explained evrything though the bible and was completely unopen to anything that went against what the bible teaches. How can people be so close minded? I know I used to be like that, but jesus christ, the earth is only ten thousand years old? and there's no way to prove otherwise? Anyway, anyone know about this caron dating thing? he said something about some report or study about some guy who buried a hat and then years later dug it up and had it carbon dated it, and it was said to be you know, a lot older than it really was. I don't know if I believe that, coming from a guy who things meditation is evil, and that god talks to him.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: slamdunk]
    #6168243 - 10/14/06 08:17 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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I tried to reference something that I've learned through books, he said that it was just something someone said and there was no proof




tell him that science is based on facts, in religion, there are little to no facts most of the time.
oh and there is no proof in books cause "someone said it" ? right,
ask him who wrote the bible .. its just another book right .. ?

you could also tell him burning bushes make badass chicken roast :wink:


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: ohmatic]
    #6168601 - 10/14/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The Bible and Christianity have all the little loose ends tied up. "The devil made you believe that." Well I don't believe in the devil. "His greatest trick is making you think he doesn't exist"

I find the only way for a close-minded person like this to ever break free of it, is by experiencing something that forces him to think more openly to integrate the experience. These people rarely think for themselves, aren't aware, and were probably born into a christian family and taught to think this way. Not always, but a majority of the time in my experience.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: slamdunk]
    #6168937 - 10/14/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

It just makes me sad when I talk to this kind of person, there is no reasoning with them. They don't use logic to answer anything. It's like rational thought is the devils work, god wants you to believe in something that doesn't make sense at all. It really disturbs me, and I wish I could try and persuade someone like this to open their mind. But when I tell them they are close minded they just say that people who try and open their minds, leave it open for the devil to come in. How can you argue with this kind of thing? It's like trying to argue with a 2 year old, they don't have logic or any kind of reasoning. Blah. It really bugs me that someone can be so closed to anything else that isn't written in the bible.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: slamdunk]
    #6172894 - 10/15/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

lol you can't talk with a person like that, its hopeless.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: Glacius]
    #6174522 - 10/16/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

That wasn't a religious fanatic. It was a brainwashed cult member. They are not religious at all, just blind followers.
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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6175019 - 10/16/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Roger has got it in the bag.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6175410 - 10/16/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I guess that's right. But he's still the most blind "man of god" that I've ever met, and definately the only person I've met that believes the good book to the very fucking word. He sends text messages to my bosssaying stuff like, "did you lie?" or "Did you sin today?" and we always just have a laugh over it. I wonder if he realizes he's like a huge joke at my work. So yeah, if I ever have to be working when he comes there again, I'm just gonna say I'm a believer so he'll leave me alone.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: slamdunk]
    #6176116 - 10/16/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

It is pointless to argue with such a being. I asked a fundamentalist once what Jesus meant when He said "I am the Vine, you are the branches." Was Jesus saying that He was a a fruit-bearing plant? No, Jesus was being 'allegorical' there. I explained that in Jewish thought, all scriptures must be discerned on four levels: the literal, the allegorical, the symbolic and the mystical. I said that intelligent Jews have been analyzing their scriptures in this way for a long time and perhaps he should take note. Blank stare. I could just imagine that he was retreating to that place in all fundamentalist Christians wherein the subtlety of thinking that many Jews have mastered as scientists, philosophers, even lawyers  :tongue: was in my words being relegated to 'that serpent,' that most 'subtil' of all creatures who was trying to deceive him. I just knew in my being that any degree of subtle thinking that transcended the most literal and concrete interpretation, was going to be processed as wickedness on my part - a Jewish Christian - an apostate Jew and a heretic Christian, neither one or the other.

God buried dinosaur fossils to test faith in scriptures against sense data and reason. "Adam's rib, not women's lib." "Brethren and Cistern [sewar]" a misogynistic greeting of a Southern Baptist Bible history prof I had in seminary (who absolutely hated my long hair bearded JC look).
The 'Vine' guy said: 'God might have put a force-field of some kind around the Sun to make it look bigger because Revelations says that the stars will fall to earth.' This is delusional thinking. The person was obsessive-compulsive disordered as well. Do not waste breath attempting to dissolve delusional thinking, obsessive-compulsive literal adherence to scriptures with rational thought. Lots of psychopathology comes dressed in religious fanaticism.

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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6177069 - 10/16/06 11:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I always thought Jesus was against religion and evangelism. At least I find when people try to convert me I don't feel sympathetic to their point of view.

I'm happy with ideas and concepts, and I want them to be challenged always, but you can't talk to fundementalists. I just nod and reflect their views back with a slight twist, and see where it takes them, most of the time though it ends in confusion.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: Shattered]
    #6179837 - 10/17/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I remember when my mum dragged me to Church a few months back with the promise of "You'll find this preacher fun!" Guess what... I got bored. Anyhow at the end of the service while everyone was drinking their tea/coffee I asked one of the preachers (called Elders at this church) how he knew God existed and not another God, lets say Allah. He just told me that it was a feeling inside him and there was no real way to explain it. Then I tried asking him how do you know when God is talking to you. Again he couldn't really explain he just told me that he knows when it happens. So in conclusion this guy didn't have anything to back up his beliefs he just had 100% faith in his religion with 0% logic.

That was the first time I'd been to that Church in 3 years. I used to go regularly up until the age of 16 and I would often see people come to the front to proclaim that it was the work of Jesus every single time something positive happened to them. It was like oh yesterday I had a cold and this morning it's gone. Praise the lord! Anything bad happens to someone and praying for them doesn't resolve it then you won't hear anyone breath a word against God, it's all 'he has his reasons'.

I know one thing if I was god I would sure get bored very quickly of people singing crap to me every Sunday morning. I'd rather people held raves in my honor with MDMA powder and mushrooms used as a holy sacrament instead of bread and red wine.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: ck10n3]
    #6180881 - 10/17/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

the bible seems to me to be an extremely intricate metaphor for the way the human mind works. Almost like a "very impractical guide to using the human mind". With some philosophy, science, history, ethics, morals and magick and all sorts of other stuff mixed in. But thats just one interpretation.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: Glacius]
    #6180898 - 10/17/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

And eve ate the apple from the tree and knew right and wrong!! the child develops a moral and ethical guideline and no longer is Innocent because he/she has discovered good and evil. Out of this develops the EGO, which is cast out of heaven(higher self) and deemed SATAN. The ego(Satan) tries all sorts of tricks to fool the humans into indulging in they're selfishness and when they do they are doomed to a life without the wisdom of the higher self, and have sold they're souls to the devil(ego). Satan will now control them and they will indulge in all worldly pleasures until they have become numb, and are not happy with anything. The more they get, the more angry and alone they feel. Empty and desperate they become more greedy until nothing touches them anymore. They are numb. heres a quote from tool " I'll keep digging, till I, feel something, elbow deep within the borderline, show me that you love me and that we belong together, relax, turn around and take my hand). The devil has they're souls!!(hell)


    ONLY BY confessing they're sins and giving up the Ego's desires shall they be free to pass the gates and enter heaven, at one with god and obtain eternal wisdom without the corruption of SATAN(ego)!!!!!!!!!


      lol thats the idea I kind of got anyways :shocked:


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: Glacius]
    #6181470 - 10/18/06 07:27 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Excellent Jungian analysis! :thumbup:


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: Silversoul]
    #6182879 - 10/18/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

would you happen to be living in georgia?

my ex's step father pulled the same shit on me, and brought the same carbon dating shit, he burried a pen or someshit and it was like 10,000 years old.

i feel your frustration


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: Shattered]
    #6183180 - 10/18/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Jesus was not against religion per se - at least from what one can glean from reading Biblical, Apocryphal and Gnostic literature. The character of Jesus, which differs from source to source still operated within the guidelines of Judaism, but Jesus was a reinterpreter and a reformer who sought to demonstrate the hypocrisy of the religious leaders - their love of status, wealth, political power, not love of Truth (synonym: God). Same deal among rabbis I've met recently - one who put down "navel-gazing" - a perjorative reference to contemplation, inner work. Jesus called such people "whitened sepulchers" - good looking structures on the outside, but tombs nevertheless, filled with "corruption" and decay.

The Bibilcal Gospels has Jesus preaching and sending his friends (disciples) out into the world to spread the "Good News." Just exactly what Jesus actually said (assuming He existed as one distinctive human being and not as a literary composite) will forever remain unknown. The four canonical gospels were written 60, 70 even 90 years after Jesus was presumably crucified, by men who never knew Him. The picture that the gospels paint of His personality is a very good one however. There is a central motive of Compassion towards all human beings, even one's enemies. Forgiveness is taught, which is to say, the divine quality of 'mercy' [chesed] over 'judgement' [gedulah].

We all walk with God whether we Know it or not. In my moment-to-moment interpersonal contact, I work on being Compassionate above all other motives. That translates down to helping people feel safe, peaceful, accepted and joyful by any and all skillful means: a smile, a hello, by listening, by not returning a hostile look but a joyful one, a word of genuine care or encouragement. Compassion is NOT pity, nor is it giving in to social pressures. I have been asked three times in as many weeks to give money for flowers for someone whose parent has died. I scarcely know the survivors, never met the parents. It is PC to feel guilted into this practice. I have at times been asked to donate to total strangers in this way. I will stay after work (as I did last week on a Friday night for over two hours), and talk with any co-worker who needs to talk, but Compasion is not co-dependency. Compassion can say no to shallow displays of pseudo-concern (Here's $10 for flowers, now leave me alone - I don't want to talk about unpleasantness).

Today yet another co-worker's parent was buried (half a dozen teachers left school and went to the funeral). She is not an acquaintance, but I will offer my condolences. She is Jewish. Can you imagine the Jewish Jesus telling this Jewish woman that her Jewish father is now burning in metaphysical Hell for all eternity? No, I don't either, but this world has its share of sadistic freaks who think it and there are even those who would say it. Some of those people hold poisonous snakes in their churches, some of them burn crosses, some of them post on The Shroomery.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6184721 - 10/18/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

That makes more sense Mark.

The good news and God is great, but it's very ellusive during rotten times. I'm totally unable to hold onto my ideas of God after a bad week, and end up finding God hiding in the strangest of places, mostly at the bottom of a bottle of rum.

I don't actually know much about religion, except from what I picked up in church and sunday school as a kid. I always thought if God was real, i'd be able to find it without religion. I wish that worked 100% of the time, but one week he's there and the next i'm not even sure I believe in God. In that sense, one thing I envy about religious fanatics is how God seems to exist to them no matter what. They always have some way to see past a bad experience, even if it's all bullshit, at least they have something. Whereas i'm just stuck in a void until I get some energy back.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: Silversoul]
    #6185143 - 10/19/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Excellent Jungian analysis! :thumbup:




  lol thanks. Ive never read Jung, but I have heard of him. Is that how he interpreted the bible??

  Anyways I beleive the bible can be interpreted in many ways. In order to make the best use of this amazing book we need to be open-minded and learn everything we can from it. Thats what I hate about fanatics. And all the other morons just take everything literally, which is relidulious.
    I beleive that organized religion is hindering human evolution. I beleive it is the greatest threat to humanity that there is.


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: Glacius]
    #6185147 - 10/19/06 05:18 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

While were on the subject I would also like to say that I think Sigmund Freud is also a threat to human evolution :thumbup:

  I read somewhere that all modern psychology is based on his work.  Also a threat to human evolution :shocked:


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Re: So I met this religious fanatic tonight... [Re: Glacius]
    #6185158 - 10/19/06 05:24 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

bible relies on faith. faith relies on having no facts. therefore, facts and the bible are not compatible, like trying to prove the sexual orientation of a lamp.


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