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Re: can i ever do shrooms again? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #6162909 - 10/12/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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achem..... mushrooms don't necessarily make you crazy. Has any thought been given to the notion that mushrooms and other entheogenic plants may actually help to steer a mind possibly destined for a chemically-treated psychotic loop into healthier realms of thought? My view on schizophrenia is that it is the result of an already expanded mind in the control of a confused person, thus the mind flies off to uncharted, wierd areas of psychic space. Mushrooms may actually help align this... it at least seems so right?

Wouldn't a culture familiar with spiritual things take what our culture would call a schizophrenic and make him into a powerful shaman? The shaman doesn't suffer as a result of his so called mental disorder, he understands it and uses it to his advantage.




I agree.


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Re: can i ever do shrooms again? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #6163013 - 10/12/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
achem..... mushrooms don't necessarily make you crazy. Has any thought been given to the notion that mushrooms and other entheogenic plants may actually help to steer a mind possibly destined for a chemically-treated psychotic loop into healthier realms of thought? My view on schizophrenia is that it is the result of an already expanded mind in the control of a confused person, thus the mind flies off to uncharted, wierd areas of psychic space. Mushrooms may actually help align this... it at least seems so right?

Wouldn't a culture familiar with spiritual things take what our culture would call a schizophrenic and make him into a powerful shaman? The shaman doesn't suffer as a result of his so called mental disorder, he understands it and uses it to his advantage.




Seems a bit hit and miss to me.
You hint that a mental disorder could give you great psychic power... this I agree with.

However I believe you are missing the role of the shaman. It seems to me a shaman is more a follower of humility than power. A shaman can only be good for his tribe if he can root his mind into his tribe's collective reality, and bring the healing/knowledge back to them.

A schizophrenic, for better or for worse, would probably have a mental reality much more detached from his tribe's than the average person. I imagine tribes would look for shamans they could relate to more easily.

It seems to me faith is a very big part of being able to bring back health from beyond the tangible. Schizophrenia brings paranoia, paranoia harasses faith.


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Re: can i ever do shrooms again? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6163063 - 10/12/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

A shaman is schizotypal at the very least. He has unified all the small parts of his world. He sees order.

I wouldnt try to prove that these shamans who are generally allowed to be different, are the ultimate diplomats.

What they say holds true with the people who he basically works for, and if it works for them, the shaman will likely pass it down to his kids and continue the cycle. Why do you think there are so many crazy yet traditional beliefs about ayahuasca? Its not because they are seperate of the schizophrenic way of thinking.

The people who have taken the most of it often know more about this state of mind. They are not considered normal by the people they work with, their community. They are often said to have a stare about them. An aura.
They are most of the time distant and keep to themselves, (shamans that is). They are a great source of knowledge though. They are very different and you can be sure that some of them exibit symptoms of schizophrenia at the very least.
Schizophrenics often are simply very unique. They know how to differentiate between their own seperate and weird ways of thinking, from the reality of the people they serve.
The typical schizophrenic is constantly trying to correlate all stimuli. They are not always "paranoid" about it, they just feel the need to organize all that exists into a coherent framework. Thats where the hallucinations come from. They connect the dots the wrong way. To reach a level of comfort they build these massive creations in their head to deal with external and internal stimuli.
If you have ever heard of the types of knowledge that is passed down through the ages via a shamans family, you can see a clear correlation between schizophrenia and psychedelic effects that are considered to be sacred.

Schizophrenia is just some classification of mental illness. It has many different facits. I would know, I am schizophrenic. I have a very unique version of this "disorder", where I can control it to some extent, and I know this without ever having been tested and certainly wont ever take any meds. Both sides of my family have a STRONG schizophrenic tendancy. Many people in my family have killed themselves because they had the same thing, but it brought them confusion, and yes, paranoia.

I have a rather weak and controllable version of it, and I will never take meds. I know more about it and any of these classification systems wont be able to confirm this to me more so than I can do myself.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: can i ever do shrooms again? [Re: yageman]
    #6164887 - 10/13/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Well I think mushrooms are really enhanced compared to how it would be to others. I can feel 'schizophrenic' when I trip on shrooms but it's not necessarily a bad thing. I actually like my schizophrenia the way it is, I just don't want it turn into psychosis.
To cope with my schizophrenia, actually, I smoke marijuana. I have two other friends who have schizophrenia and also agree that it helps cope with the disease.
So the first trip I had was incredibly fun and amazing, but the last one and strongest one I had was horribly scary. I want to do shrooms again, yet I don't, understand? I just wish I knew that I could have the same kinda trip I first had if I do them again.


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Re: can i ever do shrooms again? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #6164893 - 10/13/06 07:35 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
achem..... mushrooms don't necessarily make you crazy. Has any thought been given to the notion that mushrooms and other entheogenic plants may actually help to steer a mind possibly destined for a chemically-treated psychotic loop into healthier realms of thought? My view on schizophrenia is that it is the result of an already expanded mind in the control of a confused person, thus the mind flies off to uncharted, wierd areas of psychic space. Mushrooms may actually help align this... it at least seems so right?

Wouldn't a culture familiar with spiritual things take what our culture would call a schizophrenic and make him into a powerful shaman? The shaman doesn't suffer as a result of his so called mental disorder, he understands it and uses it to his advantage.



I really like the way you put this, it's similar to the way I view my own mind.


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I pledge Humanity as my one people
I pledge Life as my religion
I pledge Love as my prayer
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Re: can i ever do shrooms again? [Re: yageman]
    #6164911 - 10/13/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have any hypoglycemia perhaps? I know when I'm on drugs and I get a hypoglycemic attack(low blood sugar) it can feel like im just having a bad reaction to the drugs when I really just need some sugar.


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Re: can i ever do shrooms again? [Re: zshroomer]
    #6167191 - 10/13/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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zshroomer said:
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
achem..... mushrooms don't necessarily make you crazy. Has any thought been given to the notion that mushrooms and other entheogenic plants may actually help to steer a mind possibly destined for a chemically-treated psychotic loop into healthier realms of thought? My view on schizophrenia is that it is the result of an already expanded mind in the control of a confused person, thus the mind flies off to uncharted, wierd areas of psychic space. Mushrooms may actually help align this... it at least seems so right?

Wouldn't a culture familiar with spiritual things take what our culture would call a schizophrenic and make him into a powerful shaman? The shaman doesn't suffer as a result of his so called mental disorder, he understands it and uses it to his advantage.



I really like the way you put this, it's similar to the way I view my own mind.




I also have a similiar view on this..very interesting to see what other cultures think about our list of psychological 'illnesses and disorders'.. a materialist worldview cant see past the physical experience of this 'disorder'..much like someone who has never had any psychedelics..if they see someone on mushrooms, on the outside, physically, they might seem a little..different and strange..but they really have no idea whats going on inside..two seperate worlds..


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