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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6171213 - 10/15/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I keep saying this, but nobody gets it.



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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6171216 - 10/15/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's why I qualified my post with the non-government (or government funded) enterprises. Also, I'm not sure (why) taxis are regulated so much in the first place.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Seuss]
    #6171252 - 10/15/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Should a private business be allowed to refuse service?




Apples and oranges. The fact of the matter is that taxis don't operate as a fully private business -- especially airport taxis. They only operate as a highly-regulated monopoly: a monopoly granted by government. Diploid's most recent post pretty much nails it.

Now, we can argue whether or not airport taxis should be so heavily regulated. But that is a different topic.




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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Phred]
    #6173118 - 10/15/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Phred said:
Seuss asks:

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Should a private business be allowed to refuse service?




Apples and oranges. The fact of the matter is that taxis don't operate as a fully private business




the driver is a subcontractor that often times leases the car and pays dispatch,
maintenance and rental to a company, everything else earned is the drivers,
others own the cars, they pay dispatch fees and a radio fee in some instances
the drivers simply get a share of the meter, they are in fact a private business
and like any other business they are subject to certain regulations regarding
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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6173231 - 10/15/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That doesn't change the fact that the drivers are subject to all the same regulations the owner must follow, nor does it change the fact that the owner is responsible for the conduct of the drivers.




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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Phred]
    #6173936 - 10/16/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

They totally have the right to refuse service. If you dont like that, then fuck em and use another cabbie who gets your fare and tip.

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Buddha5254]
    #6174257 - 10/16/06 04:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> They totally have the right to refuse service.

The same way a doctor has the right to refuse to work on your wife as she lays near death, because he doesn't like the shoes she is wearing. Don't like it, find another doctor. Sorry about the timing, hope she doesn't die on you.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Seuss]
    #6174495 - 10/16/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Taxi drivers do not take the Hippocratic Oath. :rolleyes:

I think that requiring taxi drivers to transport someone who is drunk and/or drinking while in the cab is pushing the "government monopoly means you have no right to refuse service" a bit too far.

However, if the fare agrees to lock their alcohol in the trunk, and they are not visibly intoxicated (and therefore unlikely to vomit in the cab :tongue:), the driver does not have a legitimate reason to refuse service.  Perhaps the ultimate consequence of such behavior would be censure from the cab company, or loss of their cab license.

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Veritas]
    #6175091 - 10/16/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> Taxi drivers do not take the Hippocratic Oath.

True, but I am trying to see what happens when we push the rights of the service industry to refuse service to the extreme.

If you want to stay a bit more real, how about a taxi driver that won't transport pregnant women because he is afraid they might go into labor and make a mess in his cab?

For me, this is not an easy topic. I can argue both sides and cannot find a middle ground that I am comfortable with. Owners should have the right to refuse service, yet customers should not be subject to discrimination because the owner of a "public service" company is a bigot. I honestly cannot decide where I stand on this issue.

Imagine a taxi service that won't transport people in muslim dress because they are afraid the people in muslim dress may be suicide bombers.

Where does it end? Or does it matter? In my mind, not at all easy to answer.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Phred]
    #6175431 - 10/16/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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That doesn't change the fact that the drivers are subject to all the same regulations the owner must follow, nor does it change the fact that the owner is responsible for the conduct of the drivers.




which does not stop a driver from refusing a fare

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6175554 - 10/16/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, yes it does. There are reasons given for refusing a fare in the rules and regulations specified by the monopoly contract granted by the city. But a driver cannot make up his own reasons. That is because -- particularly in the case of airport pickups -- the taxi service is pretty much the only way to get where you want to go. In order to be granted the monopoly on public transportation for the airport, the taxi owner gives up in exchange some of his autonomy.




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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Phred]
    #6175583 - 10/16/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Phred said:
particularly in the case of airport pickups -- the taxi service is pretty much the only way to get where you want to go.





so there is only one taxi at the airport?

have a link for these regulations?

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6175951 - 10/16/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't have a link for the regulations, no. I doubt there are many (if any) which exist as online documents.

I do, however, know that complaints regarding refusal to pick up a passenger are grounds for losing your taxi license, because that's exactly what happened in Ottawa several times a few years back. I doubt it's much different in other North American cities.

In many cities -- Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, Baltimore (that I know of from personal experience) there is a single cab company which has the monopoly on airport pickups. So while there is not just one taxi for the entire airport, there is just one company which owns all the taxis. And often the workforce of that company is made up predominantly of members of just one ethno-religious group (as is the case in Ottawa Canada, for example).



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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Veritas]
    #6176190 - 10/16/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think that requiring taxi drivers to transport someone who is drunk and/or drinking while in the cab is pushing the "government monopoly means you have no right to refuse service" a bit too far.

It is often the case that someone who wants to party but is responsible enough not to drive while intoxicated will use a taxi to get home after partying. Telling this person that it may take a while to find a willing taxi (or that he may not find one at all) doesn't seem fair or in the best interests of the community.

While I might agree that it seems reasonable to refuse a slobbering, puking drunk, someone who's been drinking responsibly and is otherwise behaved, aware and oriented should not be punished because the driver's religion considers it a sin to drink alcohol.

I mean, where do we draw the line?


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6176230 - 10/16/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Muslim cabbies refuse the blind and drinkers (Australia)

At least 20 dog-aided blind people have lodged discrimination complaints with the Victorian Taxi Directorate. Dozens more have voiced their anger. And there have been several complaints that drivers refuse to allow passengers to carry sealed bottles of alcohol.

Victorian Taxi Association spokesman Neil Sach said the association had appealed to the mufti of Melbourne to give religious approval for Muslim cabbies to carry guide dogs.

One Muslim driver, Imran, said yesterday the guide dog issue was difficult for him. ``I don't refuse to take people, but it's hard for me because my religion tells me I should not go near dogs,'' he said.

There are about 2000 Muslims among drivers of Melbourne's 10,000 taxis. Many are from countries with strict Islamic teachings about ``unclean'' dogs and the evils of alcohol.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1715473/posts


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