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Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol
    #6163291 - 10/12/06 08:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol

Minneapolis-St. Paul is concerned that its taxi service is deteriorating. Citing their religious beliefs, some Muslim taxi drivers from Somalia are refusing to transport customers carrying or suspected of carrying alcohol. It started with one driver a few years ago, but the average number of fare refusals has grown to about three a day, says airport spokesman Patrick Hogan. "Travelers often feel surprised and insulted," he says. "Sometimes, several drivers in a row refuse carriage."

Taxi drivers and officials from the airport, taxi companies and the Muslim American Society are discussing how to address the issue. Partly out of concern that taxi drivers might be citing religion to avoid short-distance fares, the airport is now forcing drivers who refuse a fare to go to the end of the line for waiting taxis. It is not a popular decision among drivers, Hogan says.

The airport is expected to propose today that drivers who wish to avoid alcohol-toting passengers change the light on their car roofs, possibly to a different color. Hogan says the move will help let airport employees and customers know which taxis serve alcohol-carrying passengers. Drivers refusing a fare won't have to go to the end of the line. "Airport authorities are not in the business of interpreting sacred texts or dictating anyone's religious choices. ... Our goal is simply to ensure travelers at (the airport) are well served."

Separately, travelers will not be able to use Metro Transit rail to ferry between the two main terminals at the airport — Lindbergh and Humphrey. The city-operated Hiawatha line, which runs from downtown Minneapolis to the Mall of America, usually stops at the two terminals, making it convenient for intra-airport travelers catching connecting flights. On Sept. 9, the airport closed the Humphrey stop for a year to build a $73 million parking ramp next to the terminal. The Metro will continue to stop at Lindbergh, which serves large, traditional airlines. The airport provides free shuttle buses that run between the two terminals every 10 minutes.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2006-09-17-airport-check-in-usat_x.htm


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6163427 - 10/12/06 09:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Some taxi drivers here do the same thing.....


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6163434 - 10/12/06 09:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

so the stupid dogs will refuse people suspected of carrying a ham sandwich as well?

give them the special lights so we know who they are :evil:


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6163441 - 10/12/06 09:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

what do you say to people when you refuse them?
i bet you wind the window up as you tell them eh?


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6163446 - 10/12/06 09:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

When I refuse them of what?

I've only seen white taxi drivers in this town(probably not muslim), they will just tell you to get the fuck out.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6163471 - 10/12/06 09:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

that you wont take their fare because they have a suspicious bottle shaped package?
white taxi drivers?
is there such a thing?
ours are all asian and arab and none of the fuckers know how to drive and i love cutting them off


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6163475 - 10/12/06 09:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I live in a 99%+ white town, alot of drivers that suspect you of carrying booze or being drunk will kick you out. Not that hard to understand.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6163548 - 10/12/06 09:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

if a taxi driver refused me because of his 'suspicion' id kick his quarter panels in,hows that on the understanding plate love?


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6163551 - 10/12/06 09:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i bet you wouldn't, but thats beside the point.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6163584 - 10/12/06 09:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i can understand anyone refusing drunken loutish behaviour but judging peoples suspected luggage/package?

who the fuck gives them the right to ask and see?

thats worth a slap in the face knuckle side up alone

i seen a car roof collapse at a pedestrian crossing once when i tried to cross and they didnt give way,wasnt a cab but that wouldnt have mattered to me believe me


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6163622 - 10/12/06 09:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well it is their car and job, so I'd say it is their right to refuse service, they are payed entirely on commision.

But I don't believe that article mentioned the drivers asking or seeing.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6163651 - 10/12/06 10:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In NY it is against the law to refuse anyone a ride except for damn good reason, I don't think intoxication is one and certainly you cannot be denied a ride back from the wine store just because you're carrying a jug. You lose your hack license. As you should.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6163658 - 10/12/06 10:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

so if i had a bottle of wine in a brown paper bag for dinner theyd have to ask and see it to know if it was alcohol wouldnt they?
say i had a bottle of coke in a grocery bag,they'd want to know if it was alcohol?
then if i told them it was none of there fucking business theyd refuse me because of suspicion?

this is a form of racism and should be stomped out

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6163671 - 10/12/06 10:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

same here,if you cant catch a taxi when youre pissed your other options are to drink and drive or get rolled on the street

white taxis should refuse muslims wearing the hajib for fear of carrying a transexual


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6163675 - 10/12/06 10:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If they own the car and are an independent cab driver, they should be able to drive whoever they want and deny whoever they want.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Redstorm]
    #6163688 - 10/12/06 10:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

No, Redstorm, that is specificly disallowed as a condition of having a hack license. Specificly and clearly and for damn good reason.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6163693 - 10/12/06 10:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

What good reason(s) would this be?


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Redstorm]
    #6163694 - 10/12/06 10:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

what if people call a cab and specifically ask for a non muslim driver?
"why are you racist"?
"no,i have mouthwash on me"

everyone should say they have alcohol when calling a cab from home or anywhere else from now on and the money drought will shit on their fanatical beliefs quick fucking smart


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6163699 - 10/12/06 10:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

That's the damn point. It is a privately run business, and they should have the right to run it however they please. If it hurts them financially, it's their own fault.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Redstorm]
    #6163702 - 10/12/06 10:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i would ship them back to somalia :smile:

if a western woman would go to somalia , she would have to cover her face. the woman would have to respect thier culture, beliefs.
if she didnt, they would probably imprisoner her?

when muslims come to a western country to live a better life, they should a least respect the western culture. alcohol is permitted here. they should learn how to deal with it.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Redstorm]
    #6163708 - 10/12/06 10:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

then again theyd like that,theyd monopolise their areas and be happy carting their kin around

its another arab trick taking a bite out of the freedom apple plain and simple


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Redstorm]
    #6163711 - 10/12/06 10:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

No, it is not, they are licensed transporters of the public. And the good reason is that no black person could have gotten a cab before and now no Muslim would be able to get a cab, and next it would be no Redstorm who could get a cab. They are basicly forbidden to deny service except for very good reason as a part of the terms to get their license. Nobody made them be cabbies and those are the rules. If you don't like them, get a different job. England is way tougher.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6163719 - 10/12/06 10:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

They may be the rules, but they are absurd ones. Any idiot who turns down people who wants a cab is just lowering the amount of money they are going to make. Plus, Christ, it's not like there aren't like 15,000 cabs in any decent sized city in this country. If someone wants to turn a cab ride down to me, I'd be happy to pay the next person who comes by.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6163742 - 10/12/06 10:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

next thing theyll only accept dirhams


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Redstorm]
    #6163744 - 10/12/06 10:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Not in NYC. They limit the number of hack licenses so they have to make sure everybody will pick up everybody else. The TLC is a very tightly regulated industry. And for very good reason.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Redstorm]
    #6163754 - 10/12/06 10:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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That's the damn point. It is a privately run business, and they should have the right to run it however they please. If it hurts them financially, it's their own fault.




right, no racial issue here, just business freedom.

but it seems you are anti muslim...

chill out dude. taxis are not a right, they are a privlage, that you have to pay for and abide by their rules.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6163772 - 10/12/06 10:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

a privilege?
where in hell did you learn that?
somalia?


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6163785 - 10/12/06 10:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

just like any other business. Taxis are a service, but a service that can be denied at any time by the provider.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6163900 - 10/12/06 11:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

are you a muslim living in canada like that 19 yr old prick behind those suicide bombings...the one that is still held at an undisclosed location in the US?(justly held that is)

i was born in my culture and still live in it do you still live in the culture you were born in?

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Redstorm]
    #6163903 - 10/12/06 11:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If they own the car and are an independent cab driver, they should be able to drive whoever they want and deny whoever they want.

I don't agree.

It's a regulated industry. It's regulated for the good of the public. The best interests of the public are served by requiring taxis service everyone equally.

Imagine if a privately owned power company decided to turn off the power to anyone they suspected of drinking alcohol in their homes?


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6163915 - 10/12/06 11:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ha by this !j$@# standards that would be ok,'business freedom' he calls it,just like our business of owning arab oilwells i guess


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6163947 - 10/12/06 11:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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If they own the car and are an independent cab driver, they should be able to drive whoever they want and deny whoever they want.

I don't agree.

It's a regulated industry. It's regulated for the good of the public. The best interests of the public are served by requiring taxis service everyone equally.

Imagine if a privately owned power company decided to turn off the power to anyone they suspected of drinking alcohol in their homes?




If I had the choice (yeah), I wouldn't be in business with that power company. Would you?


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6165097 - 10/13/06 11:30 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

And the true colours show lol

Actually I am a white 20 year oldfrom British, Irish, and Scotish Decent. I've lived in Ontario all my life. I actually boarder with the US.

What in my last post drove you to assume I'm a muslim and that I do not live where I was raised? And why the anger?


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6165122 - 10/13/06 11:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

A power company and a taxi driver, can't compare. The driver sits about 2 feet from you and are very vulnerable to being assaulted. The power company owner sits in his mansion, all safe an cosy, and since his business is can not threatend by somebody drinking in their home why would he give a fuck.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: distgre1]
    #6165130 - 10/13/06 11:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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i would ship them back to somalia :smile:

if a western woman would go to somalia , she would have to cover her face. the woman would have to respect thier culture, beliefs.
if she didn't, they would probably imprisoner her?

when muslims come to a western country to live a better life, they should a least respect the western culture. alcohol is permitted here. they should learn how to deal with it.




No, it is us who must bend over backwards, going there, and in our own land.  :rolleyes: :thumbdown:

The cabs do not have the right to turn down service, if that was true, there would be no cabs in uptown Manhattan.  :grin:


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6165159 - 10/13/06 11:52 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm... so what happens when the doctor refuses to see a patient because the patients religious beliefs conflict with that of the doctor.  Keeping it simple, what happens when the clerk refuses to checkout a customer because the clerk is offended by the customers dress?  Oh, wait, I have a good one.. what about a store owner that refuses service to people that don't speak English?

This could get nasty...  :smile:


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6166913 - 10/13/06 09:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

my colours were never hidden

would you be angry if i refused to take your canadian dollar because i dont like pasty skin?

denyng me my rights is good cause for anger in my book

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: barfightlard]
    #6168339 - 10/14/06 11:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

A power company and a taxi driver, can't compare.

Taxis are granted a partial monopoly (like power companies) in exchange for giving up some autonomy to government regulation. This is done because when cities have attempted to deregulate taxis, it turns into a mess and the public ends up getting ripped off more often than not by unregulated taxi drivers.

Both the power company and the taxi company provide a public service where there are limited choices. If taxis were unregulated and free competition ruled the game, I'd agree with you, but taxis are strictly regulated and there are a limited number of them. Allow them to refuse people a ride for arbitrary reasons, and what will follow will be dysfunctional.

Gay drivers will refuse women, Jewish drivers will refuse Muslims, old drivers will refuse young fairs, and every sort of absurd reason for refusing a fair will come up.

The industry is regulated for good reasons based on past experience. If a taxi driver doesn't like that, there are other jobs.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6168370 - 10/14/06 11:38 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

eat shit

quiver,

You need to drop the name calling, flames, and personalisms. That's appropriate for discussion in the OTD forum, but not here.

Consider this your official warning.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6168515 - 10/14/06 12:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

everyone should say they have alcohol when calling a cab from home or anywhere else from now on

best suggestion i've heard here.

if i owned a cab company i would fire these people.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6168529 - 10/14/06 12:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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No, Redstorm, that is specificly disallowed as a condition of having a hack license. Specificly and clearly and for damn good reason.




incorrect, cabbies have the right to refuse service to any one for any reason
it does cut into their income though, the only requirements for a taxi permit
is no criminal record and no DUI in the last 5 years

please show a a link to a credible source proving otherwise, after all that is
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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6168539 - 10/14/06 12:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Diploid said:
It's a regulated industry. It's regulated for the good of the public. The best interests of the public are served by requiring taxis service everyone equally.




resturants are regulated and refuse service to the shirtless and shoeless.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Seuss]
    #6168544 - 10/14/06 12:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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what about a store owner that refuses service to people that don't speak English?





this is actualy happening as of late


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    #6168611 - 10/14/06 01:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

resturants are regulated and refuse service to the shirtless and shoeless.

The the number of restaurants is not limited by regulation. That's the point. There are only a finite number of taxis and that number doesn't go up often. Same as liquor licenses.

If taxis were unregulated, I'd agree with you, but they're given a competitive advantage by regulations that limit the total number of competitors. Based on this, they should be required to serve the public without discriminating against law-abiding citizens.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6168678 - 10/14/06 01:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

my experience as a cab driver says you're wrong, there are no limits on the numbers of liquor licenses nor on cab permits, they do have limitations on location, ie not within 1000 feet of a church or school, etc


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    #6168703 - 10/14/06 01:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

my experience as a cab driver says you're wrong, there are no limits on the numbers of liquor licenses nor on cab permits

You can't just buy a car, paint some prices on the window, and become a taxi. You have to purchase one of the limited pool of available licenses (called medallions) from another taxi driver or participate in a lottery when the government issues new ones based on population growth.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6168810 - 10/14/06 01:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Muslim taxi drivers are spies and terrorists both. Death to them all.
They hate our perfidious ways yet so readily adapt them. Fuck them.
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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6168816 - 10/14/06 01:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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my experience as a cab driver says you're wrong, there are no limits on the numbers of liquor licenses nor on cab permits

You can't just buy a car, paint some prices on the window, and become a taxi. You have to purchase one of the limited pool of available licenses from another taxi driver or participate in a lottery when the government issues new ones based on population growth.




medallions buddy, I inherited my uncles cab. I don't drivwe tho.  :shrug:

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6169168 - 10/14/06 04:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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my experience as a cab driver says you're wrong, there are no limits on the numbers of liquor licenses nor on cab permits

You can't just buy a car, paint some prices on the window, and become a taxi. You have to purchase one of the limited pool of available licenses (called medallions) from another taxi driver or participate in a lottery when the government issues new ones based on population growth.





in Georgia, you buy a car, get a phone, some business cards, decals and go down
to the administration building to get a taxi permit, they've started putting
restrictions on the age of the cars, currently it's no older than 12 years

regardless, any cab driver can refuse to transport anyone for any reason there
is no regulation that overrides ones personal safety, if there was more cabbies
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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6169203 - 10/14/06 04:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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in Georgia, you buy a car, get a phone, some business cards, decals and go down
to the administration building to get a taxi permit, they've started putting
restrictions on the age of the cars, currently it's no older than 12 years




Minnesota is not Georgia.

Furthermore, in every North American city I have EVER flown into (admittedly I have yet to fly into a city in Georgia), not all taxis are allowed to pick up passengers at the main airport. The airport concession is almost always a municipally granted monoply of a subset of taxi-owners in the city in question. In order to obtain this monopoly, said taxi owners must agree to more stringent licencing conditions than the run of the mill taxi driver.

Could a taxi driver have a rational reason for refusing to carry a passenger clutching an open bottle of alcohol? You bet! But what rational reason would he have for not transporting a guy who had an unopened bottle of Remy Martin purchased as a gift for his boss in an airport Duty Free shop -- especially when that bottle is stashed in the trunk of the cab with the rest of his luggage?



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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6169238 - 10/14/06 05:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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so if i had a bottle of wine in a brown paper bag for dinner theyd have to ask and see it to know if it was alcohol wouldnt they?
say i had a bottle of coke in a grocery bag,they'd want to know if it was alcohol?
then if i told them it was none of there fucking business theyd refuse me because of suspicion?

this is a form of racism and should be stomped out

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Phred]
    #6169292 - 10/14/06 05:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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in Georgia, you buy a car, get a phone, some business cards, decals and go down
to the administration building to get a taxi permit, they've started putting
restrictions on the age of the cars, currently it's no older than 12 years




Minnesota is not Georgia.




of course not I was just expressing that these regulations are not the same across the nation

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In order to obtain this monopoly, said taxi owners must agree to more stringent licencing conditions than the run of the mill taxi driver.




it works the same in atlanta, you do need a permit endorsement to sit at the
airport and wait on fares but not for picking up fares by appointment or those
that have called a specific company, as unusual as it seems that does happen
quite often, I've also scooped up loads of fares as I was dropping off passengers.


Quote:

But what rational reason would he have for not transporting a guy who had an unopened bottle of Remy Martin purchased as a gift for his boss in an airport Duty Free shop -- especially when that bottle is stashed in the trunk of the cab with the rest of his luggage?




that's where I'm dumbfounded, most cabbies I've known wouldnt pass up a fare
unless they just felt uneasy about the guy, regardless tuning down fares builds
a bad reputation for the company when it's based on something as trivial as
alcohol, of course it could be a muslim conspiracy to put the company out of
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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6169848 - 10/14/06 09:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

They shouldnt be allowed to choose. If you have to go a short distance, you should not have to walk because all the Taxi's want long rides to make it worth their while.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: tak]
    #6170375 - 10/15/06 01:04 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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root-ninja-tak said:
They shouldnt be allowed to choose. If you have to go a short distance, you should not have to walk because all the Taxi's want long rides to make it worth their while.




Great attitude. Should shop-keepers not be allowed to roust drunks? Like it or not, any non-government (funded) business in the country is allowed to decline you service. For any or no reason.


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    #6170897 - 10/15/06 05:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

fuck you

who do you think you are flaming me then warning me for the same fucking thing?

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    #6170899 - 10/15/06 05:26 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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unbeliever said:
Quote:

quiver said:
so if i had a bottle of wine in a brown paper bag for dinner theyd have to ask and see it to know if it was alcohol wouldnt they?
say i had a bottle of coke in a grocery bag,they'd want to know if it was alcohol?
then if i told them it was none of there fucking business theyd refuse me because of suspicion?

this is a form of racism and should be stomped out

yes stomped




Since when are alcoholics a race? Are they related to the Homunculus Trollus?




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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: quiver]
    #6170902 - 10/15/06 05:33 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Banned again.

You'd best think long and hard before you make your next post in this forum.





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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Phred]
    #6171011 - 10/15/06 08:11 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Back on topic...

Should a private business be allowed to refuse service?

Example: I run a restaurant and want to enforce a dress code restricting casual dress. Why should I have to serve somebody that hasn't bathed in three weeks?

Example: I run a computer store and have found that I loose money when selling computers to non-computer-literate people because of the amount of post-sell support I end up providing. Why can I not choose to only sell computers to computer nerds?

Example: I own a private hospital. Sorry about that GSW (gunshot wound), be we don't allow whitey's here. There is a perfectly good public hospital only ten miles across town. Good luck!

Example: I own a private airline and we won't transport women that are menstruating, because they are unclean, which is against my faith.


This is a really hard question and I have not been able to come up with a good answer. As a private owner, I should have the right to run my business however I like. At the same time, why should I be allowed to discriminate just because I am a private owner; the store/taxi/restaurant/etc serves the public and should be required to service the public equally.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: tak]
    #6171015 - 10/15/06 08:21 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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They shouldnt be allowed to choose.




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    #6171082 - 10/15/06 10:07 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I keep saying this, but nobody gets it.

The reason is because taxis are a regulated business. In free competition, businesses should be allowed to do whatever they want, but in a regulated industry, especially one like taxis where there are regulation-limited choices, and regulation-mediated protection from competition, they should be required to service the public in a uniform fashion.

Same goes for a private power utility and for the same reason. They have a granted monopoly. If they decide, as a private company, to shut down electricity to all non-Muslims, should regulations have something to say about that? Of course.

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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6171213 - 10/15/06 11:23 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I keep saying this, but nobody gets it.



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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Diploid]
    #6171216 - 10/15/06 11:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

That's why I qualified my post with the non-government (or government funded) enterprises. Also, I'm not sure (why) taxis are regulated so much in the first place.


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    #6171252 - 10/15/06 11:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Seuss asks:

Quote:

Should a private business be allowed to refuse service?




Apples and oranges. The fact of the matter is that taxis don't operate as a fully private business -- especially airport taxis. They only operate as a highly-regulated monopoly: a monopoly granted by government. Diploid's most recent post pretty much nails it.

Now, we can argue whether or not airport taxis should be so heavily regulated. But that is a different topic.




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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Phred]
    #6173118 - 10/15/06 09:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Seuss asks:

Quote:

Should a private business be allowed to refuse service?




Apples and oranges. The fact of the matter is that taxis don't operate as a fully private business




the driver is a subcontractor that often times leases the car and pays dispatch,
maintenance and rental to a company, everything else earned is the drivers,
others own the cars, they pay dispatch fees and a radio fee in some instances
the drivers simply get a share of the meter, they are in fact a private business
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    #6173231 - 10/15/06 10:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

That doesn't change the fact that the drivers are subject to all the same regulations the owner must follow, nor does it change the fact that the owner is responsible for the conduct of the drivers.




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    #6173936 - 10/16/06 02:16 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

They totally have the right to refuse service. If you dont like that, then fuck em and use another cabbie who gets your fare and tip.


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    #6174257 - 10/16/06 06:40 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

> They totally have the right to refuse service.

The same way a doctor has the right to refuse to work on your wife as she lays near death, because he doesn't like the shoes she is wearing. Don't like it, find another doctor. Sorry about the timing, hope she doesn't die on you.


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    #6174495 - 10/16/06 10:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Taxi drivers do not take the Hippocratic Oath. :rolleyes:

I think that requiring taxi drivers to transport someone who is drunk and/or drinking while in the cab is pushing the "government monopoly means you have no right to refuse service" a bit too far.

However, if the fare agrees to lock their alcohol in the trunk, and they are not visibly intoxicated (and therefore unlikely to vomit in the cab :tongue:), the driver does not have a legitimate reason to refuse service.  Perhaps the ultimate consequence of such behavior would be censure from the cab company, or loss of their cab license.


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    #6175091 - 10/16/06 03:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

> Taxi drivers do not take the Hippocratic Oath.

True, but I am trying to see what happens when we push the rights of the service industry to refuse service to the extreme.

If you want to stay a bit more real, how about a taxi driver that won't transport pregnant women because he is afraid they might go into labor and make a mess in his cab?

For me, this is not an easy topic. I can argue both sides and cannot find a middle ground that I am comfortable with. Owners should have the right to refuse service, yet customers should not be subject to discrimination because the owner of a "public service" company is a bigot. I honestly cannot decide where I stand on this issue.

Imagine a taxi service that won't transport people in muslim dress because they are afraid the people in muslim dress may be suicide bombers.

Where does it end? Or does it matter? In my mind, not at all easy to answer.


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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Phred]
    #6175431 - 10/16/06 05:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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That doesn't change the fact that the drivers are subject to all the same regulations the owner must follow, nor does it change the fact that the owner is responsible for the conduct of the drivers.




which does not stop a driver from refusing a fare


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    #6175554 - 10/16/06 05:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, yes it does. There are reasons given for refusing a fare in the rules and regulations specified by the monopoly contract granted by the city. But a driver cannot make up his own reasons. That is because -- particularly in the case of airport pickups -- the taxi service is pretty much the only way to get where you want to go. In order to be granted the monopoly on public transportation for the airport, the taxi owner gives up in exchange some of his autonomy.




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    #6175583 - 10/16/06 05:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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particularly in the case of airport pickups -- the taxi service is pretty much the only way to get where you want to go.





so there is only one taxi at the airport?

have a link for these regulations?


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    #6175951 - 10/16/06 07:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I don't have a link for the regulations, no. I doubt there are many (if any) which exist as online documents.

I do, however, know that complaints regarding refusal to pick up a passenger are grounds for losing your taxi license, because that's exactly what happened in Ottawa several times a few years back. I doubt it's much different in other North American cities.

In many cities -- Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, Baltimore (that I know of from personal experience) there is a single cab company which has the monopoly on airport pickups. So while there is not just one taxi for the entire airport, there is just one company which owns all the taxis. And often the workforce of that company is made up predominantly of members of just one ethno-religious group (as is the case in Ottawa Canada, for example).



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Re: Muslim Taxi Drivers Refuse To Transport Alcohol [Re: Veritas]
    #6176190 - 10/16/06 08:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think that requiring taxi drivers to transport someone who is drunk and/or drinking while in the cab is pushing the "government monopoly means you have no right to refuse service" a bit too far.

It is often the case that someone who wants to party but is responsible enough not to drive while intoxicated will use a taxi to get home after partying. Telling this person that it may take a while to find a willing taxi (or that he may not find one at all) doesn't seem fair or in the best interests of the community.

While I might agree that it seems reasonable to refuse a slobbering, puking drunk, someone who's been drinking responsibly and is otherwise behaved, aware and oriented should not be punished because the driver's religion considers it a sin to drink alcohol.

I mean, where do we draw the line?


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    #6176230 - 10/16/06 09:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Muslim cabbies refuse the blind and drinkers (Australia)

At least 20 dog-aided blind people have lodged discrimination complaints with the Victorian Taxi Directorate. Dozens more have voiced their anger. And there have been several complaints that drivers refuse to allow passengers to carry sealed bottles of alcohol.

Victorian Taxi Association spokesman Neil Sach said the association had appealed to the mufti of Melbourne to give religious approval for Muslim cabbies to carry guide dogs.

One Muslim driver, Imran, said yesterday the guide dog issue was difficult for him. ``I don't refuse to take people, but it's hard for me because my religion tells me I should not go near dogs,'' he said.

There are about 2000 Muslims among drivers of Melbourne's 10,000 taxis. Many are from countries with strict Islamic teachings about ``unclean'' dogs and the evils of alcohol.

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