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InvisibleSwami
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Catholic Priests and Little Boys
    #616078 - 04/23/02 07:33 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Its BIG news today, but I remember these things happening in our diocese some 30 years ago. (I was an altar boy, albeit, an unmolested one.) Nothing has changed, except the media has made more of it than before.

How can someone devoting their life to God violate another person like that? Some here will say that religion and spirituality are separate entities, but if someone whose whole life focus is emulating Christ, then where is the power of the Spirit to guide them?

I hate the excuse that Christians aren't perfect. I understand human foibles, but this is just plain sick and more so for the Church to cover it up as it has done for centuries. And some here wonder why I am cynical...


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Swami]
    #616135 - 04/23/02 09:39 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Swami:
"Its BIG news today, but I remember these things happening in our diocese some 30 years ago. (I was an altar boy, albeit, an unmolested one.)"

Face it, Swami.
You just weren't cute enough.

"Some here will say that religion and spirituality are separate entities, but if someone whose whole life focus is emulating Christ, then where is the power of the Spirit to guide them? "

What you're proposing seems to be control rather than guidance.
Maybe God gives us free will?

Seriously, this is a terrible thing for the church, but I don't really feel sorry for them.
This mess was brought about by them because they swept these incidents under the rug, rather than out the door. When it came down to it they responded just like any other beuracracy- trying to save their own asses, consequences be damned.



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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Swami]
    #616141 - 04/23/02 09:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Some priests are week!! They have no control on their bodies!!


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Swami]
    #616199 - 04/23/02 11:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Can I say this? As a health care professional, I can gurantee that many people entering the field of human services are FUCKED UP!!!!!!!

I often have high school or college students ask me about becoming a counselor. I always tell them to take care of their own issues or they will contaminate their patients and will cause more harm than good... Same advice goes for priests, ministers, etc.,..........


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Tannis]
    #616212 - 04/23/02 11:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

A lot of people find that they have problems and think that maybe if they help others it will intern help them.... but I think thats the wrong way to go about it -- cuz like Tannis said -- It contaminates the patient...


About the priests -- I remeber seeing a show about priests molesting and people discussing their ideas on it.... Someone was talking about how these men are raised before they become priests -- and that they realize they have sexual issues. Take for instance a devote catholic son who realizes he his gay; they may turn to the priesthood because they think it will save them from the "sick thoughts" that they have -- then it just blows up in their face when they realize they can't suppress it anymore

-- I'm not saying homosexual behavior is the problem at hand -- I'm just saying some kid who spends his life hiding from his desires will end up doing some sick shit to vent after a while....


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Swami]
    #616297 - 04/23/02 01:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Catholic Priests are no more enlightened than the rest of us.


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Revelation]
    #616300 - 04/23/02 01:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

what happened to the days of unichs and so on, now we just trust priests not to use their dick? We should start cutting them off again.


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: nugsarenice]
    #616314 - 04/23/02 01:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Umm, (unichs-sic) eunuchs have their testes removed, not their (dick)penis!

See? My work at stopping misinformation is tireless and never ends.


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Swami]
    #616330 - 04/23/02 01:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Bah! Those priests are big SOBs.
The catholic church, as any other institutionalized religion has dogmas/rules to follow wich describes their system, the priests break them as any other human being break rules in a society. If you remove the fact they are priests, then they're nothing more than sexually repressed persons and their repression system is their own church.

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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: MAIA]
    #616651 - 04/23/02 08:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i just don't understand why any halfway intelligent person (and i *know* there are some intelligent catholics out there, they're just misguided, *very* misguided) would trust their soul to someone who they don't know at all and actually has a better chance of being a pedophile than their next door neighbor, rather then to their own intuition. just because an organization is large doesn't mean there's anything truthful about its doctrines.

just goes to show... no reigious institution can save you, you can only save yourself.

people are just so frightened to think for themselves. well, this is off the subject quite a bit, but this is why our democracy can never work as it is! people are too eager to be accepted and their opinions are too easily manipulated by whoever is working to maintain the status quo. thus what was intended to be a safeguard against tyranny becomes tyranny's biggest shield. until the day the day when it collapses on itself under the weight of its own corruption, of course. it happens every time..


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Amoeba665]
    #616671 - 04/23/02 08:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"people are just so frightened to think for themselves."

This is so true. But what is it that we are scared of? Are we frightened of the power of our own minds? That's the only answer I can think of.


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Revelation]
    #616729 - 04/23/02 09:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I think that people are frightened of not having an answer, of having to figure it out for themselves, of the possiblity that the unknown will remain unknown no matter how much they may search. They have accepted the programming that there must be a reason for everything so they latch on to whatever makes them feel the most comfortable.


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Swami]
    #616738 - 04/23/02 09:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

A Baptist Minister,a Lawyer and a Catholic Priest were on a ship and the ship started to sink.

The Baptist Minister shouted,"Save the children."

The Lawyer shouted, "Fuck the children."

The Catholic Priest asked,"Do you think we'll have time?"


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Revelation]
    #616739 - 04/23/02 09:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"This is so true. But what is it that we are scared of? Are we frightened of the power of our own minds? That's the only answer I can think of."

I think that the average person has a fragile ego.
Their sense of self is very much up for grabs.
This is where the fear comes from. Overidentification with the ego.

Their ego is set up like a house of cards.
If anything comes in and alters any part of that arrangement, the entire house may collapse.
They may have a nervous breakdown. Disillusionment is painful and to be avoided.
So anyone and anything that threatens that ego is to rejected/ feared/ destroyed if need be.
This is where hatred of the "outsider" comes from.

If you don't believe me, find your friendly neighborhood fundamentalist and try reasoning with them. Actually force them into facing their own bs.
You will have a cornered animal on your hands.





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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Swami]
    #616741 - 04/23/02 09:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Swami, you read national geographic?

Chinese monks in tibet recruit little boys to have sex with them. They put them in a special dance troupe, and then the senior monks point out the boys that they like, and then the boys become "casual sex partners" I don't think this is right, but there is one thing everyone should know for sure... People in who hold spiritual power over others, no matter what religion or what part of the world they come from, they all like to spread the cheeks or a 7 year old...

Just kidding, just think everyone should be aware or this upsetting trend.


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #616786 - 04/23/02 10:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

there are no chinese monks in tibet. there are chinese soldiers and chinese 'immigrants', but the only monks are tibetan.

also re:eunuchs, in china usually eunuchs had their testicles removed enabling them to obtain certain jobs in the imperial palace. in certain cases, the nuts were left intact and the penis was cut off, this was done as a form of punishment, you have the urge but no tool to implement it


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: Swami]
    #616864 - 04/23/02 11:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Its because they don't have enough of their OWN moral reasoning, everything they know and believe was taught to them by the church. When it comes down to them acting out their impulses they find it easier to go against the church, versus dealing with your own morality. I don't believe in any one religion, but my moral beliefs are powerful and i wouldn't want to disobey them, they are part of me. But whats so bad about going against some book?


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: ]
    #616891 - 04/24/02 12:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

What's the point of all this.

I don't think the Catholic Church needs your help debunking itself. It will do fine on it's own.


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: infidelGOD]
    #617251 - 04/24/02 12:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Its all like the song says "Jesus loves the little children,ALL the children of the world,red & yellow,black & white,they are prescious in his eyes". See Jesus was a pedo and the preists are only following in his footsteps.:)


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Re: Catholic Priests and Little Boys [Re: infidelGOD]
    #617252 - 04/24/02 12:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Its all like the song says "Jesus loves the little children,ALL the children of the world,red & yellow,black & white,they are prescious in his eyes". See Jesus was a pedo and the preists are only following in his footsteps.:)


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