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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: GabbaDj]
    #6162426 - 10/12/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

When you take into consideration what was in WTC 7 it becomes even more suspect. The perfect base of opperations for such a conspiracy.

NORAD standing down.

The owner of the WTC making lots of money, no matter what anyone says. There is no way he lost money with the world's greatest insurance policy ever made, and paying 2 months dues. lol

The "terrorists" passport being "found" amongst the wreckage.

It boggles my mind how anyone could explain all this shit, what a sloppy job bush and co. did.  :grin:


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6162442 - 10/12/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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No, I am through with the 9/11 bullshit.




... he proclaims while composing yet another post on it.






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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Phred]
    #6162471 - 10/12/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

LOL I saw that coming.

I couldn't resist.....I am done......nooooooo bush did it oooooowwwww.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Aldous]
    #6162502 - 10/12/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Aldous said:
First look at the usual WTC7 collapse videos, and tell me if the collapse, according to you, looks clean or messy (feel free to compare it to the Twin Towers').



The collapse looks exactly the same as the Twin Towers: WTC 7 began to collapse from the point where a hole had been torn in its structure.

Take a look at this sequence from the tower collapse:

Note how the part of the tower above the impact seems to fall straight down?

The difference is that the major impact point on WTC 7 was a 20-story hole torn at the building's base. Just as the floors about the impact in the towers appear to fall straight down, to the naked eye, so to do the floors above the impact point (which was in the base) of WTC 7.

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There was indeed a *very slight* movement to the south, but in terms of angular deviation, I would estimate it to be about 5 degrees, hardly significant. You couldn't say it *tilted*, it fell much straighter than most controlled demos I've seen.



So...you admit that it fell in a certain direction, but not enough to impress your "expert opinion"?

As I already stated, if you look at the behavior of the collapse above the impact point I've linked here, you see the same exact behavior. It lists slighty, but not very much. Thus, the evidence that non-controlled collapses can look like that exists in the form of the North tower's collapse.

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Secondly, you're the one who pointed out the building fell to the south. How come the debris you're pointing out in your picture is north of the building's footprint?



Are you seriously trying to suggest that there's no debris south of the WTC 7's footprine? Please look again, there's way more debris to the South than to the North.

I posted that picture because GabbaDJ was trying to suggest that WTC 7's collapse didn't cause damage to adjacent buildings, that is clearly wrong, as shown in the picture.

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Aldous said:
Now tell me the building fell out of its footprint.



Are you really suggesting that you can tell from that pic how much rubble belongs to WTC 7 and how much belongs to the Towers? That's a skill that even experts don't claim to have.

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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6162511 - 10/12/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
The owner of the WTC making lots of money, no matter what anyone says. There is no way he lost money with the world's greatest insurance policy ever made, and paying 2 months dues. lol



We've had this debate before.

The NYC Comptroller's report clearly shows that he lost money, because he only recieved ~$5 billion in payout, but the towers cost over $6 billion to rebuild, and he stills owes lease money to the Port Authority.

I'm going to assume from your statement that you still haven't been able to come up with evidence that disproves the comptroller's report. If you have I'd love to hear it.

On the other hand, if you're still going with a "hunch" there's a reason the US Supreme Court has ruled time and again that hunches don't count as evidence...

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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6162583 - 10/12/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
When you take into consideration what was in WTC 7 it becomes even more suspect. The perfect base of opperations for such a conspiracy.

NORAD standing down.

The owner of the WTC making lots of money, no matter what anyone says. There is no way he lost money with the world's greatest insurance policy ever made, and paying 2 months dues. lol

The "terrorists" passport being "found" amongst the wreckage.

It boggles my mind how anyone could explain all this shit, what a sloppy job bush and co. did.  :grin:




the wtc is probably owned by a lot of people, and they may have had a  crazy insurance plan, but consider the monthly income lost.  All the rents  due and other things. 

Also, who cares if someone is making lots off money.  Wooo, someone is making money, are you suggesting that nine eleven was a huge insurance scam?


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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6162644 - 10/12/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Silverstein and whatever partners he has own 7. The rest are leases. The reason why we point out that Silverstein lost money is because there is a whole gang of idiots who think he had it demolished to make a profit. No profit, ergo no motive. No motive.........then what? Stupid people blathering about things they have absolutely no understanding of. With a possible jew hating issue as well.


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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6162666 - 10/12/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Cory Lidle's passport was found in the street.


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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6163377 - 10/12/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for clarifying.

I hardly pay enough attention to justify my arrogance.

Edited by nakors_junk_bag (10/12/06 07:27 PM)

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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6164033 - 10/12/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Only one way to find out the truth..

Kidnap and interrogate Silverstein and Bushes Cousin who was in charge of security for the WTC Complex (nobody mentioned that), video tape it all and make them tell the truth..

Ill bet that they squeel like pigs and tell all.


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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: GabbaDj]
    #6164048 - 10/12/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It bears no stance to reason that the fucking thing was a huge insurance scam.

Those guys were making enough money off the place to never have to settle for insurance fraud, tat was all residual income for them they will see no more of.


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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6164552 - 10/13/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Of course it wasn't just some big plan to make money of the insurance, read up on PNAC.


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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Economist]
    #6164626 - 10/13/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Economist said:
Are you seriously trying to suggest that there's no debris south of the WTC 7's footprine? Please look again, there's way more debris to the South than to the North.
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Are you really suggesting that you can tell from that pic how much rubble belongs to WTC 7 and how much belongs to the Towers? That's a skill that even experts don't claim to have.


I edited my post and added more pics, maybe you missed out on that. If your questions still stand, your state of denial is doubleplus high.

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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #6164868 - 10/13/06 07:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It was all a big bail out..

Bail out for the several trillion dollars in lawsuit papers against major american companies whose files all got destroyed in the attack.

Bail out for the US Dollar which was set to take a HUGE HIT with all of our "axis of evil" countries switching from buying and selling oil in US Dollars, to Euros.


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6165150 - 10/13/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Silverstein and whatever partners he has own 7.  The rest are leases.  The reason why we point out that Silverstein lost money is because there is a whole gang of idiots who think he had it demolished to make a profit.  No profit, ergo no motive.  No motive.........then what?  Stupid people blathering about things they have absolutely no understanding of.  With a possible jew hating issue as well.




I don't give a shit what race or religion he is, it is my opinion that him and others made a profit on that terrible day. Everything seems just a little too perfect for my liking. I bet Silverstein is flat broke now eh.  :rolleyes:


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Aldous]
    #6165336 - 10/13/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Aldous said:
I edited my post and added more pics, maybe you missed out on that. If your questions still stand, your state of denial is doubleplus high.



You directed everyone's attention to the 4th pic from 9/15 on the page you linked. That pic:


While it definitely is a picture of where WTC 7 was, there's smoke obscuring where most of the debris is located (to the South, as the building listed that way as it collapsed). Are you still trying to claim that you can tell *through the smoke mind you* how much of that debris belongs to WTC 7 and how much belonged to the towers?

And you're saying I'm the one in a state of denial...

@GabbaDJ

Please take an economics class before you sound silly again. Law suits do nothing to dimish the value of the dollar, only changes to the money supply, or changes in demand of dollars do that. Since a law suit simply involves money changing hands, it neither results in a reduction in the money supply, nor in a change in demand for dollars.

A better plan (and one that would actually work) would be for the Federal Reserve to maintain elevated interest rates (remember the big cuts wouldn't come until after 9/11), rather than blow up some buildings...

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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Economist]
    #6165505 - 10/13/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> And you're saying I'm the one in a state of denial...

It has been very refreshing to read your posts, Economist. Unforunately, I have gotten extremly cynical and a bit sarcastic in my responses after pounding common sense against a brick wall time and time again. I wish I had the self control that Phred shows and be able to refrain from these debates. I hope you are able to avoid the path I took... venting frustration at thick skulled ignorance by making fun of the people that will accept arm waving rain makers over engineering, science, reason, and logic.


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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Seuss]
    #6165531 - 10/13/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Science says: If a paper document held inside the pocket/luggage of a person who flies a 747 jet into a building, it will float down the street to safety.  :rolleyes:


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6165556 - 10/13/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Physical Laws were on vaccation that day, duh.


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Re: WTC 7 Help Me Understand [Re: GabbaDj]
    #6165613 - 10/13/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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GabbaDj said:
It was all a big bail out..

Bail out for the several trillion dollars in lawsuit papers against major american companies whose files all got destroyed in the attack.

Bail out for the US Dollar which was set to take a HUGE HIT with all of our "axis of evil" countries switching from buying and selling oil in US Dollars, to Euros.




I'm well aware of what saddam had plans to do with his oil and I'm well aware of that taliban denying the plans for a pipeline across their country. So yeah, these things were the triggering factor. By these people attacking our economy in such ways there was no way the top people in the US would sit back and allow this to happen. But it's more than just money, it's power...they were attacking our very ability to be the "top dog".

I don't believe the US govt thought that saddam or the taliban had the ability to cripple the US dollar, but they did have the ability to start a chain reaction. So our govt made a bold statement on 9/11 by showing all the world govts that they had better think twice before challenging our spot at the top.


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