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Cerius
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gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation
#6158324 - 10/11/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hypothetically, if I had extracted psilocybin in alcohol, how would i go about encapsulating it in a gelcap? I'm looking for any information on how I could make the gelcap airtight so the "solution" wouldn't degrade. any info on this would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: Cerius]
#6158372 - 10/11/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would store it in a vial. There is no easy way to make gelcaps. You could inject the solution into gelcaps and then maybe seal them somehow, but I don't think it would be worth the effort. The alcohol would also probably dissolve the gelcaps.
Another idea would be to solidify the solution with gelatin or agar, like making jello shots. Processing it into chocolates is another idea.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: Cerius]
#6158413 - 10/11/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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wrong forum, not even close
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: shirley knott]
#6159068 - 10/11/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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is there any process at all (knowledge) to a lamen? if the ethanol can be an issue, i could hypothetically use methanol and evap it..and make a water-based solution.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: shirley knott]
#6159388 - 10/11/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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did you already move it?
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Edited by drugsaregoodmmk (10/11/06 06:29 PM)
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Attention Moderators: Please do not move this thread. I have already moved it from the Psychedelic Experience forum and is best served here. Thank you.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation *DELETED* [Re: Cerius]
#6159926 - 10/11/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cerius
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store what in gas? the pills? or the psilocybin? ...i'm really just curious on how i could go about encapsulating the psilocybin.
edit- saw yours; the whole point of encapsulation is ease of transport. hell, if the gelatin encapsulation matched that of cough gelcaps or tylenol gelcaps i could carry the caps in those bottles and no one would ever tell the difference.
Edited by Cerius (10/11/06 09:20 PM)
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation *DELETED* [Re: Cerius]
#6159969 - 10/11/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cerius
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this is all hypothetical. a hypothetical tincture or extraction.... i'm just curious as how i would go about encapsulating the tincture or extraction or whatever you wanna call it.
first i'd have to turn it into a liquid that wouldn't dissolve the gelatin...i was thinking of a water based mixture..but after that i'm clueless.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: Cerius]
#6160212 - 10/11/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why don't you just grind up the mushrooms and encapsulate that?
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: mycogirl]
#6161145 - 10/12/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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because if i "capped" ground shrooms up it would only hold .9 grams at most. if I wanted a level five trip, I'd need five pills. If I had pure psilocybin, there would be no headaches or sore stomachs in people i gave the pills to. Pure psilocybin is better than the shrooms themselves. A smaller pill holds more psilocybin when it's extracted. Plus encapsulated gelcaps are airtight...unlike the ones you buy at a healthfood store.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation *DELETED* [Re: Cerius]
#6162828 - 10/12/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cerius
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....i don't see how this is related to the original question. i was curious about the encapsulation process..not how i can precipitate solids from the solution. i'd rather have a high psilocybin content in a solution to keep air from it. it being encapsulated, would provide and airtight environment for the solution and would stop the psilocybin from oxydizing. not only would it be highly concealable in this form, but would be able to be stored for very very long periods of time.
can we please stay on topic? http://www.bioprogress.com/films/applications.php?Application_ID=7 http://www.bioprogress.com/films/applications.php?Application_ID=5 I have inquired into the processes of both of these geltabs to further understand the process.
edit- if i just had solids, (crystal material) it would degrade very quickly in the air. i don't know very many people who have actually evapped all the ethanol from the solution to form crystals. police are also more prone to wonder what a crystal residue in your posession is rather than a few gelcaps in a tylenol bottle.
Edited by Cerius (10/12/06 04:36 PM)
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: Cerius]
#6163932 - 10/12/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can get geltabs that will hold over a gram btw and I have eaten eleven grams of some killer mushies and did not hit level five. So talk about a stomache ache. vacutainers are an option and wrap them to make them opaque. I know this is not the info you want but your SOL on finding a geltab that is going to tolerate any form of alcohol. I do not know what relevence it is but a lot of herbs are extracted with sterile distilled water. You might be able to do something like that. To tell you the truth though I would just order some beef liver caplets. They smell like crap and they are the same color as ground up mushies. If you want the extracted form good luck on this one.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: JSshroom]
#6164043 - 10/12/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What happens if you extract with alcohol and then let all of the alcohol evaporate, wouldnt you be left with a powdered treat?
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: Cerius]
#6175593 - 10/16/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cerius said: ....i don't see how this is related to the original question. i was curious about the encapsulation process..not how i can precipitate solids from the solution. i'd rather have a high psilocybin content in a solution to keep air from it. it being encapsulated, would provide and airtight environment for the solution and would stop the psilocybin from oxydizing. not only would it be highly concealable in this form, but would be able to be stored for very very long periods of time.
can we please stay on topic? http://www.bioprogress.com/films/applications.php?Application_ID=7 http://www.bioprogress.com/films/applications.php?Application_ID=5 I have inquired into the processes of both of these geltabs to further understand the process.
edit- if i just had solids, (crystal material) it would degrade very quickly in the air. i don't know very many people who have actually evapped all the ethanol from the solution to form crystals. police are also more prone to wonder what a crystal residue in your posession is rather than a few gelcaps in a tylenol bottle.
I don't mean to be rude but it seems that no one can help you with encapsulating a liquid, because capsules are designed to melt in liquid. Therefor, people are helping you with ideas to open a, let's say tylenol, capsule and encapsulate extracted psilocybin. That way the capsule still says tylenol.
I think the liquid gelcaps, like the IBU gel caps or dayquil are made by a different process. I have no idea where to even direct you to begin with that.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: mycogirl]
#6179558 - 10/17/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is pretty discouraging, but I would think that some people might have experience in making "window panes" or gelcaps for LSD. I've heard of hippies in the 60's and 70's "baking" caps in the 60's and 70's. I wish I knew some of them, but all I can do now is search. I've yet to get a message back from that comapny in regards to my questions.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation *DELETED* [Re: Cerius]
#6179684 - 10/17/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cerius
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homemade geltabs-
 http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/show_image.php?i=lsd/lsd_geltab3.jpg
windowpane-
 http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/show_image.php?i=lsd/lsd1.jpg that doesn't look like blotter.
there's more than one picture of the geltabs on erowid-- someone out there has come up with a way to fabricate them in a cost efficient manner. the agar idea sounds pretty promising, as does the chemical extraction, but if i were to do that, how would i seal the tylenol gelcaps? the reason i didn't want to do it this way is because A. Tylenol costs a lot (considering i had a decent amount of extract) B. I'd much rather have a clean product than something with traces of acetaminophen.
I didn't start this topic for me-- I noticed that information concerning these types of preservation techniques isn't discussed on this board even though the shelflife of psilocybin is a major concern with extractions. It's partially acceptable to keep it in liquid form, but in my opinion, this isn't ideal...as anyone can ask, "Hey, what's that mysterious brown liquid in there?" as the point to the fridge. Or another scenario would be someone visiting your house and drinking something that they never intended on drinking.
I'm sure if we can use similar techniques with liquid LSD, then it wouldn't be that off to apply them to a liquid extraction of pure psilocybin.
Edited by Cerius (10/17/06 06:00 PM)
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation [Re: Feelers]
#6180178 - 10/17/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's still here. Maybe it is labled as adult content there for needing you to alow for adult content avatars.
Cerius. The window pane look like gell tabs to me. Set in natural agar with no color.
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Re: gelcaps/geltabs --encapsulation *DELETED* [Re: Cerius]
#6180187 - 10/17/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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was gonna sugest the agar thing 2, sounds solid... prolly gonna be a big ol lump though lol. when yall give it a try let us know how it went
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