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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: trendal]
    #6158015 - 10/11/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have 200 of those nukes in my briefcase. NO joke.


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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #6158020 - 10/11/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You're gonna get a visit later today from men in black suits. :wink:

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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6158128 - 10/11/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think it is all hot air (the stinky breath kind, not the thermo-nuclear kind).

They tested a long range missile, it flopped into the ocean. The claim to have tested a nuke. The bang was small, with no radiation indicating either it was not a nuke, or it was a dud.

It is clear they are a long way from having a weaponized nuke, but their behaviour makes it very clear they must not be allowed to progress with development of a weapon. The right action is more important that fast action, right now containment seems the best option.

China seems to be taking a unprecedentedly dim view of their actions, which leads me to think , well hope, that China will sort this one out. But don't expect much public grandstanding from China, they don't work that way.

China does not want to deal with the mess that would be on its doorstep from a collapse of the NK state that total sanctions would bring. There is also the worry of what happens to the fissile material NK already has if the state collapsed, but I think its the least worst option.

North Korea is not just yet another member of the nuke club, it is a totalitarian state, unable to support itself and is happy to use nuclear blackmail.

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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: psilomonkey]
    #6159777 - 10/11/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

King Jong Il couldn't hit the guy sitting next to him with a spitball/

The 'nuke' still hasn't been proven.... although it wouldn't suprise me if it actually was a nuke... just wasn't very strong.

They're taepodong II which was supposed to be able to reach hawaii failed miserably, spiraling out of control and landing a few miles from where it took off. The North Korean media brainwashed their people into thinking it was a success.

Kim Jong Il is just a whiney little brat throwing a temper tantrum because he knows he doesn't have shit to stand on.

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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6160576 - 10/12/06 12:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

a bomb that wont explode on a rocket that cant fly...like im really scared...


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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6160706 - 10/12/06 01:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

First off, If they did hit us with a nuke, there's no fucking way we swallow our balls for the Chinese and not destroy Pyongyang, and every other hiding spot KJI has.

BUT...

They can't get a weapon over Japan, let alone the Pacific
They cant get a nuke small enough for a deliverable via warhead.
And we can shoot down missiles with our 'Defence Shield'

Its the one good thing Bush did.

KJI doesn't have some huge arsenal of ICBMs or nukes for those missiles.
We wouldn't have to shoot down hundreds or thousands like from the Chinese or USSR.

You think we don't know where he keeps his missiles?
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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6161083 - 10/12/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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ShroomDr said:
First off, If they did hit us with a nuke, there's no fucking way we swallow our balls for the Chinese and not destroy Pyongyang, and every other hiding spot KJI has.

BUT...

They can't get a weapon over Japan, let alone the Pacific
They cant get a nuke small enough for a deliverable via warhead.
And we can shoot down missiles with our 'Defence Shield'

Its the one good thing Bush did.

KJI doesn't have some huge arsenal of ICBMs or nukes for those missiles.
We wouldn't have to shoot down hundreds or thousands like from the Chinese or USSR.

You think we don't know where he keeps his missiles?
Super Bunker Busters, o my


If he attacks anyone, it will be the people of Seoul





They did get lucky a few years ago and actually managed to fire ONE missile OVER Japan. I doubt they had any particular target and just let 'er fly. If they were in a war.. they'd never be able to hit anything.

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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6161609 - 10/12/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

And we can shoot down missiles with our 'Defence Shield'

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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: psilomonkey]
    #6161706 - 10/12/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It is clear they are a long way from having a weaponized nuke




Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa - you can't say that!

Their nuke might in fact be small enough to fit on a regular-sized missile. For all we know they have a folder containing the exact plans of a proven American, Russian or Chinese tactical nuclear weapon design.

They say the bomb was designed to be in the low kiloton range, 4 kT they said. That's only 4-8 times more than the yield of that what was tested. Since tactical nukes typically have yields of 0.05-5 kT, their test result still is smack in the middle of the useful range, being more of a violent neutron bomb than a blast weapon due to its size.

We must also reckon with the possibility that the bomb's yield was deliberately reduced. The bomb was buried shallow, only 600 meters under ground, that alone makes clear this truly wasnt intended as a powerful bomb, which wouldve resulted in a blowout.

We must also take in account that the big missile that "flopped into the ocean" might have been a fully succesful design, but that it was successfully taken down by the US, like they said they would.

So all fun and games aside: they might have a succesful nuclear bomb design and a missile capable of going the distance, lets not too easily dismiss their capabilities.

The tested bomb, with a cobalt mantle, would be sufficient to pollute a megacity for decades, even though the explosive yield is 1/1.000 of what it takes to blow the city to smittereens.


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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6162941 - 10/12/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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zippoz said:
also lets consider the fact, that they havent
1) designed and tested a rocket that can carry a nuke
2) designed a nuke that can be carried by a missile!

they are years behind, unless they buy it from someone else...





Well yes you may be correct but.............It will not take the NK to send a bomb all the way across the ocean. All they have to do is bomb South Korea. Which would not even need a good short range missile. They just drive within 600 yards of the boarder and boom kill 200,000 people and a huge number of our troops. Lets not for get we still have 50,000 people stationed there. The point is once NK even sets off one Nuke and kills our troops there will be a dozen or more of Our Nukes dropped all over NK. And what do you think the rest of the world will think ? Do you think China will like a 1,000 mile wide cloud of fallout crushing life out of the land ? No the first bomb will go off and with out asking we will vaporize NK. I think it isn't gonna take any Nuke to go off in the US for real trouble to happen, that is not going to happen...............But someone else can drop a bomb on us.

When The North Koreans finally use a Nuke in the war with South Korea there will be no turning back. What will the American military do ? Keep dropping conventional bombs and hope they can destroy all the Norther Koreans military might before they get another Nuke off ? I don't think so. The US will have no choice but to completely destroy all of the capabilities of the North Koreans very quickly.

I wonder what will be the out come of that ?

And remember the US has Military bases in the Korean peninsula for 50 years. We have been in a war and stale mate with the North Koreans for a long time.

Kinda like a festering wound


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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6162990 - 10/12/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

First of all, HOW do you know that they dont have the capability for long range missile attacks on Japan or South Korea?

How do you know that NK did or did not test a nuclear device?
How do you know that NK doesnt have a conventional capability to wage a prolonged war in the region?

How can anyone predict the type of war this could evolve into?

NK strong points: High amounts of light infantry and conventional munitions, Moles in SK and Japan loyal the DPRK, Artillery with HE and chemical munitions including mustard gas and X2 nerve gas,Enriched nuclear materials that could be "dirtied" into a conventional warhead, Immediate juxtaposition to South Korea that could be overran similiar to the 1951 situation. Financing comes soley from counterfeiting,modern weapons components and systems traffiking,drug traffiking, and money laundering and other racketts.

NK weak points: Highly vulnerable and weak infrastructure,logistical problems and agriculture and food problems, Charity rice and food that comes from the UN and China enables NK to feed and supply their army and intimidate the populace.


A nuclear option on NK is highly foolish, isolating NK from its friends and shutting down charity rice and their offshore bank accounts, a logistic noose should be pulled around their heads. Seek contact with resistance movements in NK and supply them with weapons and training, charity food and rice should be delivered to resistance organizations instead of DPRK officials.

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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6163302 - 10/12/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)


:boobs: :boobs:


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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #6163667 - 10/12/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What reasoning would there be for NK using a nuke? There is none.

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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Redstorm]
    #6163781 - 10/12/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's the whole point, NK is such a wild card they may do just about anything at all. Maybe they use it, maybe they don't all depends on how far Kim Jong Il feels like pushing his boundaries that day.

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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #6163840 - 10/12/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Has everyone completely forgotten how NK shot a missle ***OVER*** Japan a year ago?

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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Redstorm]
    #6166339 - 10/13/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What reasoning would there be for NJ using a nuke? There is none.




Well I can't give you one reason. Nether can I say what will happen for sure. I can only give my opinion. I can say that this problem has been around for a very long time. 50 years ago the US invaded the Korean peninsula. That's how we ended up with two Korea's, North South. And since then we have found it necessary to keep ten of thousand of military personal in Korea. WHY ??? Because this is a war in cease fire since the late 1950's. I am no history buff on the Korean conflict but I know it is a festering wound. Now this new Pingyoungfool Guy that is in charge, was raised knowing the US invaded his land and watched his father fight the US for years.

Do you think this guy is just blowing smoke up someone's ass ? NO this guy Pingyoungfool has it set in his heart to control the entire Koran Peninsula. That is the whole purpose of the North Korean government. That is why they starve there people They are in a war. Even if the rest of the world has seem to forgotten. Pingyoungfool will see his country reunited or die trying.

I want to say that I think it would be silly to think that the North Koreans are going to launch a nuke just to launch a nuke for the sake of a big bomb. They might as well hang themselves. People all over the world understand that using a Nuke in the same context as you would use a Conventional Bomb would be equal to Annihilation of 80% of the planet. No that most likely will not happen.

I think if Saddam Hussein had a Nuke he would have used it instead of hiding in a hole. And I think the same thing of Pingyoungfool. But he has a nuke and push come to shove, the US invades after failure of Sanctions. And you can be sure that this guy will bomb the piss out of any invaders. So the bottom line for me is this.

One.......we let them be and they can have the nukes

or

Two......we push hard enough on him until he has no choice to us ehis Nukes


Long or short term, one way or the other................There will be trouble


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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #6166744 - 10/13/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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50 years ago the US invaded the Korean peninsula.




Wrong. Fifty years ago NK invaded SK. The UN came to the aid of SK. Note that I say the UN as in the UNITED NATIONS, not the US as in the United States of America. This is because it was a UN action -- the first of just four times in its history the UN authorized the use of military force by its member nations.

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I am no history buff on the Korean conflict ...




No kidding.

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...but I know it is a festering wound. Now this new Pingyoungfool Guy that is in charge, was raised knowing the US invaded his land and watched his father fight the US for years.




Again, incorrect. North Korea was never invaded. Not by the US or by any other UN member. South Korea, WAS, however, invaded. By North Korea.

You really should do yourself a favor and read up a bit on this before making your next post.



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Re: North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks [Re: Phred]
    #6166925 - 10/13/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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