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NizzyJones
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The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth
#6146253 - 10/08/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know that cloning plants by definition gives you identical genetics and therefore identical potential to the mother. However I've spoken to a lot of people who insist that successive clones are more and more potent - ussually citing their FOAF or uncle or something and refusing to be swayed by logic.
Any theories as to where the hell this idea comes from?
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: NizzyJones]
#6146268 - 10/08/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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NizzyJones said: Any theories as to where the hell this idea comes from?
people who don't know what they're talking about attempting to act like they're experts on something.
if I had a nickle for every time...

here in reality though, phenotype=genotype + environmental influence. different growing parameters can affect the phenotype you observe, even with genetics remaining constant (clones). sounds like someone increased their growing skills after a few tries and mistakenly attributed the potency increase they saw to genetics...
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: NizzyJones]
#6146272 - 10/08/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably getting confused with sexual reproduction and selection... which is of course, the only feasible way to increase potency (by hoping for genetic mutations).
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Mr420
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: NizzyJones]
#6146274 - 10/08/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep this "idea" comes from someone hearing a real fact and botching it to shit by the time it got to you,acctually succesive clonings of clones result in gene degredation and weak/mutated plants.
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: NizzyJones]
#6146295 - 10/08/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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well, Ive also heard that a plant does not reach its full potential until it has vegged for 6 months.
Most people wont veg a plant for 6 months, but if they clone it at 3 months, and grow this clone out for 3 more months, the clone will be 6 months old. Keep in mind that you will probably do better with the same genetics the second time growing them, so it could still all be hearsay.
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6146525 - 10/08/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I heard too long veg period and your plants will be too tall and lanky and the amount of bud you get is not worth it. By the time the 6 months come around I could have done 2 harvests from seed.
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: cpw1971]
#6146565 - 10/08/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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cpw while that is semi true,if you're using quality lighting like HPS you will never get a lanky plant,also when letting them go that big they will bush more like a outdoor plant especially with skilled topping and training I acctaully had a mother veg for 2+yrs then budded it was like a shrub.But no big plants aren't for beginers.And a harvest at 3 months from seed,you're not getting much let them do a 6 month harvest once you'll never go back.
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: NizzyJones]
#6146597 - 10/08/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Reviewing all these posts can supply you with ONE OBSERVABLE FACT about growing marijuana...
Information regarding the subject can be highly anecdotal and subjective, and very often, reeking much like the stench of bullshit.
You'll hear different things from different people, and as elucidated above this can probably be attributed to phenotypical (and on a broader scale) genotypical differences.
Very often what "worked great and made a 20-foot tall plant with 10 lbs of HIGH QUALITY MARIJUANA" may generate a scraggy, stretched and schwaggy plant.
All problems are solved with research. Hearing from that guy your friend knows who has that friend who grows great weed that told him if you add fermented honey to the growing medium the resulting product will make the user communicate with Jesus... does not constitute "research" nor does it give you any useful information from which to build/maintain a garden.
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: Herbus]
#6148870 - 10/09/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Herbus said: Hearing from that guy your friend knows who has that friend who grows great weed that told him if you add fermented honey to the growing medium the resulting product will make the user communicate with Jesus.
That about made me squirt pop out my nose.But yeah listening to people will be a waste the best is research and experience.I fell for it on my first ever grow,still when lsd was an easy find my buddie convinced me if we injected acid into a plant the whole time it grew a few mics at a time it would make you trip every time you toked up,needless to say the biggest waste of a good vial ever.
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: NizzyJones]
#6149449 - 10/09/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, more potent cause they were clones....nah bullshit. Now the most common reason for this is simple. People grow a batch of plants and get average weed. Then they grow a new batch and it's better. Most often the reason is that they just have become a little better at growing so potency goes up a little cause the person is learning how to take care of the plants better.
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Re: The 'Cloning Increases Potency' Myth [Re: Magash]
#6153008 - 10/10/06 03:08 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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well the comment has some truth but it only goes as far as the genetic potential lets it. what i mean is if one were to take a plant that is from seed and take a cutting off of it as soon as you could,then took another a few weeks later the 2nd cutting would possibly be more potent due to each plant is genetically programed to mature after so long. so if you take a cutting before maturity then the 2nd time might have improvement. but to say every generation ads to potency is wrong. so it sounds like one of those things that somebody said and was taken out of context hence the rumor
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