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ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens?
    #6151450 - 10/09/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

We recently visited Hammond, Oregon and hunted for mushrooms on the beach. We were specifically looking for azurescens, which we heard would be prevelent in the area at this time of year (Oct. 8) We found an abundance of mushrooms and picked them, although we are still not sure if these are the ones. If anyone could please help us to ID these shrooms, we would be most greatful!!
-Habitat: Hammond, Oregon. Growing in the black sand under dying shrub-like bushes at the foot of the dunes (not in the dune grass)
-Characteristics of the gills: white to purplish-brown. The smaller shrooms seem lighter in color than the bigger ones.
-Characteristics of the stem- probably about 3 inches in length, maybe 2-3 cm in diameter, whitish-tan color, semi-thick, semi-hollow
-Characteristics of the cap: probably .5 - 1.5 inches in diameter, goldish-brown color, smooth texture, more conical (especially on bigger ones)
-Spore print color: We don't yet know how to do this!
-Color that the mushroom bruises: Doesn't appear to bruise (not blue like the description states)
-Scent of the mushroom: smells like any regular, fresh mushroom
-Anything else you might find important:
We're wondering if they always stain your hands when you handle them (these didn't). Also, the bigger ones look like they could possibly be a different species than the smaller ones? Are there any other mushrooms that would grow alongside these ones in the sand at the same time of year?
-Pictures: (forgive me if these don't work the first time-- this is our first post)





These are the bushes we found them in:









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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: shitkick]
    #6151465 - 10/09/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

tiny pics so it's hard to see, but it sure doesn't look like them to me...


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: shitkick]
    #6151634 - 10/09/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Judging from the pictures, they look very close, but, they don't have the "oh, those are them!" look. :wink:

I'd definetly take a spore print. All you need to do is cut the cap off the stem. Place the cap gills down on some white paper and put an upsidedown glass over it. Wait an hour or so, and look underneath the cap and see what color the spore print is. If its a dark brown/black with a purpilish tinge, then you might have found the right ones.

Be careful out there. The cops know that the area is a known area for hallucinogenic mushroom hunters!!

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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: Psilygirl]
    #6151667 - 10/09/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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tiny pics so it's hard to see, but it sure doesn't look like them to me...




Tiny indeed. None of them look like azures to me but I wish I could see that first pic better. Don't know if it's the small pic or my eyes but a couple almost look like azures but the stems seem too thick and I've never seen 'em coming directly out of sand. Hunt on, good fellow...


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: thetonebone72]
    #6151677 - 10/09/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Right habitat for sure, however the pileus don't look right, to conical in my opinion. The stems look a little strange too. If they are indeed Ps. azurescens, they will blue likes there's no tomorow. I don't think they are though.


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: SweetLeaf]
    #6151863 - 10/09/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do they go blue? They are called azurescens because they go azure, just like cyanescens means change to cyan.

Everything I've heard about them is that they are like Ps. cyans and subaeruginosa, and having only seen subaeruginosa the blueing is heavily evident within 30 mins of picking.

Third pic from the bottom looks like there might be a little blue, but that could just be the camera??

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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: Feelers]
    #6151886 - 10/09/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Third pic from the bottom looks like there might be a little blue, but that could just be the camera??




That is a whole lot of sand on the stalk that makes it look dark. There is no way the bottom photos are azures.


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: thetonebone72]
    #6152436 - 10/09/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well they are not cyans. If they bruise, turn the paper blue that is used to dry them, have a purple print. i would have to say real deal. BUT!!!!!, your pictures suck. So i would say 50/50


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: tahoe]
    #6152543 - 10/09/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

WAIT WAT???? i thought azures are a WOOD LOVER mushroom?? am i missing something....


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #6152858 - 10/10/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There might be drift wood under the sand. But still take a spore print and lots of pictures and work form there.

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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #6167155 - 10/13/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, they grow on wood or 'sandy soil rich in ligniculous debris'. (From Stamets).

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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: GDorn]
    #6167243 - 10/13/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

those dont look like woodlovers for a start.
azurescens is often blue before its picked and it certainly goes blue quicker than any other species ive encountered. You would know if you found them.


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #6167406 - 10/13/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i'm quite sure those are not P. azuresens. they look superficialy similar but if i'm interpreting the images correctly, they seem to have white gills.

psilocybian mushrooms which exhibit blueing to not stain per se, they bruise, and will not stain the hands. P. azurescens are verry strong bruisers and will tend to bruise nearly instantly in most specimens.

when looking for azurescens, remember that they have striate caps [having radial lines where the gills show through somewhat] when moist and which are slipery to the touch. this is caused by a gelatenous film called a pellicle, which in young, fresh specimens can be removed by peeling [this is characteristic of many species of psilocybe]. the caps are somewhat rubbery in texture, esp. when imature and will often have blue-green tones at sites of insect or frost damage and around the outside edges of the caps where the flesh is thinner.

the stipes will be pristine white in young specimens and darken slightly with weather to a dirtier appearance. the stipes will bruise most noticably, and all the more clearly where the flesh is the most pristine white.

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Do they go blue? They are called azurescens because they go azure, just like cyanescens means change to cyan.





azure is a blue, half way between blue and cyan spectraly. it the color of a deep blue sky.

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WAIT WAT???? i thought azures are a WOOD LOVER mushroom?? am i missing something....





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There might be drift wood under the sand. But still take a spore print and lots of pictures and work form there.





there is indeed burried wood and woody debris in the soil in all areas of the inter-tidal zone and duneland, including driftwood and peces thereof, dead dunegrass which is shed from the sides of the plants annualy and from the lupins. as sand is blown about and accumulates, much of this lignicoluous matter is broken down into the soil. this provides a rish base of loamy substrate for the mycellia for P. azurescens [allong with P. cyanofibrilosa and P. cyanescens] which will grow in this biome.


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #6169453 - 10/14/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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WAIT WAT???? i thought azures are a WOOD LOVER mushroom?? am i missing something....




azures are wood lovers. there is wood under the sand there. matter of fact that piece of land was built... put there by the army corps of engineers i believe. there is all kindsa shit in that ground. ive found old opium medicine bottles out there.
i believe that the reason for the fungus on that jetty probly has alot todo with the wood mills across the bay outside of astoria. i think that wood mill is probly crawling with azures and the spores blow across the water and land on the jetty in such quantities that anything that will colonize does just that. there are other patches in the area where thay grow even more abundant in wood. i dbe happy to give you some first hand expirience for a ride. you can even keep the booty we find. i just want the stem butts.


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: X24]
    #6169489 - 10/14/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've cultivated both Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe azurescens on wood chip beds here in the UK and those look nothing like either to me.


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: Amatoxin]
    #6169716 - 10/14/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Cyanofibrillosa is also reported along the coast, in dune grasses, from California to Canada. I don't know much about fibbs, only that they have a similar look to cyans and azures, but more petite.

Good luck. What you found probably isn't Psilocybian.

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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: psiclops]
    #6169832 - 10/14/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

not only do P. cyanofibrilosa look similar to P. cyanescens and P. azurescens [particualrly the even margined to slightly undulate varieties] but the likeness can be uncanny:

P. cyanofibrilosa showing classic P. cyanescens morphology:


P. cyanofibrilosa showing P. azurescens like morphology:


and for good measure, some P. azurescens showing the classic even margin:


while the petite stature does tend to dominate in P. cyanofibrilosa, there where *many* specimens observed on that trip where i couldn't determine the species, as the azurescens and cyanofibrilosa do indeed co-habitate in the duneland.

sorry for that tangent.


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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: canid]
    #6169862 - 10/14/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I hate to hijack this thread, too, but I wanted to add to the vast variety of P. cyanescens. In this case they did not "wave" at all. In fact, I'm not quite sure that these are cyanescens, only that they are psilocybian.

Here's the example, which I'm sure I've posted enough by now, but wanted to be sure that EVERY member has seen the image. I even named the image "Cyanofib" out of ignorance of the species.

P. cyanescens (I think):

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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: psiclops]
    #6170087 - 10/14/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I hate to hijack this thread, too, but I wanted to add to the vast variety of P. cyanescens. In this case they did not "wave" at all. In fact, I'm not quite sure that these are cyanescens, only that they are psilocybian.

Here's the example, which I'm sure I've posted enough by now, but wanted to be sure that EVERY member has seen the image. I even named the image "Cyanofib" out of ignorance of the species.

P. cyanescens (I think):





Yeahm those look like young cyans...and here's something to make it even more difficult

remember this from last season?





That spot no longer exists, btw...I dug it up and transplanted it to 3 new locations with plenty of woodchips...And also, to this day I have still ot gotten a postive ID on these. Most people say they are azurescens. I know they're good, my friends know they're good..I only ate one fresh one out of this patch and I'm glad I only ate one because I spent the rest of the day biking around avoiding people

they are certainly stronger than normal cyanescens, yet, notice how there is little bluing...Why this is, I have no idea. I've never even seen these before last year here in the Bay Area, and I originally thought it was some sort of lame paneolous...I was about to throw these out until I ate one...whoa nellie

but see how similar these are to the original post?....weird, no?

this year we may get a good ID from these..I gave transplants to peter at SF State last year and they should be fruiting soon.

It would have been done earlier, but that spot was discovered and attacked..every last baby one was picked so I couldn't even get a fresh sample to him...That's why I had to move it

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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: auweia]
    #6170280 - 10/14/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Doesn't look like them. Five or six years ago, we were hunting azures near Astoria and a park ranger came up on mrs rabbit and myself. All we had were a few amanitas and boletes, so he actually told us where to go to find the azures. Now, they watch and bust ya.
Azures are tiny and will bruise over the cap and stem. They're usually a mess by the time you get home.
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Re: ID wild mushrooms - Hammond, Oregon - azurescens? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6170447 - 10/14/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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so he actually told us where to go to find the azures. Now, they watch and bust ya.




So are you saying that now-a-days the park rangers will bust you? Or are you saying that the ranger told you where azures were so they could bust you after you picked them? I hope my first quess is accurate... Otherwise that dude was a total dick.


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