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InvisibleSinbad
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Re: The doctrine of predestination, particular redemption and total depravity [Re: Icelander]
    #6147295 - 10/08/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Its like its as if you are in a dark room, and you see what looks like a snake on the ground, and fear, suspicion, and doubt arise in your mind. Then you switch the light on, and what sweet relief, it was only your dirty sock from last night after all. Nothing too scary at all. Unless you got fungus. :mushroom2:  :tongue: :lol:

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Re: The doctrine of predestination, particular redemption and total depravity [Re: Sinbad]
    #6147309 - 10/08/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's good! :laugh: :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The doctrine of predestination, particular redemption and total depravity [Re: fivepointer]
    #6149222 - 10/09/06 05:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"MarkostheGnostic never ceases to astonish with one blasphemy after another. This in his previous posting he suggests Jesus is a bastard and not born of the Holy Spirit. He never takes on the subject on the table. He creates straw men, then proceeds to argue against something no one has brought up. The very fact that he doesn't know whether Jesus physically existed demonstrates what he really believes about the authority of scriptures. It proves that he considers the apostles liars and deceptive men. Another blashemy. He continues to bring the false gospel of gnosticism, which is a lie from the darkest pits. This teaching was identified and soundly denounced by the apostles in the NT."

Thank you for making my point. It was just too predictable to feel even the slightest satisfaction about it. As to Jesus' status, every point that I raised has been raised for centuries. You also do not KNOW whether Jesus existed historically, it is a matter of faith for all of us. YOU however believe that only YOUR belief is valid and this is the problem behind all religious intolerance.

Of course I am countering the mainstream doctrines. They do not work to the end of theosis for the most part, only cause suffering. You, unfortunately friend, are a case in point - in five points, fivepointer.

"Christianity must change or die."
- John Shelby Spong


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Re: The doctrine of predestination, particular redemption and total depravity [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6149339 - 10/09/06 08:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The difference is Mark, that you have learned to separate the usless dogma, from the useful Chrsitian concepts and symbology in the bible.

Fivepointer however thinks that the bible is the infallable, sacredy presevered word of God, and accepts it all on blind faith, as THE TRUTH. No critical analysis.

On a side note, one of my favourite Christian quotes is from St Francis.

"Lord,
Make me an instrument of your peace;
Where there is hatred let me sow love;
Where there is injury pardon;
Where there is doubt faith;
Where there is despair hope;
Where there is darkness light;
Where there is sadness joy.

O Divine Master,
Grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console,
To be understood as to understand,
To be loved as to love,
For it is in giving that we receive,
It is in pardoning, that we are pardoned,
It is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

Where there is charity and wisdom, there is neither fear nor ignorance.
Where there is patience and humility, there is neither anger nor vexation.
Where there is poverty and joy, there is neither greed nor avarice.
Where there is peace and meditation, there is neither anxiety nor doubt."


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Re: The doctrine of predestination, particular redemption and total depravity [Re: Sinbad]
    #6149458 - 10/09/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The difference is Mark, that you have learned to separate the usless dogma, from the useful Chrsitian concepts and symbology in the bible.

So true. Fivepointer will never it seems understand the faith he believes in. Salvation will forever be outside of his understanding. It's a sad case and too common. :frown:

And part of the big picture :laugh: :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The doctrine of predestination, particular redemption and total depravity [Re: Andy21]
    #6150630 - 10/09/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Andy21 said:
Hey is this lady a child of the light?




This is an example of a Child of Wrath, a Child of Hell. Here is an example of fundamentalist mentality, Christian version, that has gone so awry that the very Kerygma, the message of love and forgiveness (more than just tolerance) has become a proactive message of hate. Thank God that the theocracy of the ancient Hebrews has been surpassed by a 'law of love,' despite the contradictory Gospel selections and forged letters of Paul that comprise much of the canonical New Testament, or we'd be stoning people to death left and right.


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