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Vote on my Casing layer.
#6149000 - 10/09/06 01:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright there's a lot of contention between these 2 types of casing material so you guys vote on what I do with my jars that are about to be crumbled to case in 2-3 days.I have all this stuff around already so it was next to impossible for me to choose.They're all cubes done in pf tek cause I'm a growing noob,and it seemed to be a given to get a harvest of at least some for printing and well that other obvious reason .
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Mr420]
#6149006 - 10/09/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you're an absolute noob, just go with the miracle grow MC. It's pre-mixed, pre-balanced, and probably good enough to use right out of the bag. The less steps you have to do, the less you can mess up.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Mr420]
#6149012 - 10/09/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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do a rez effect casing..
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: zathan]
#6149018 - 10/09/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not that much of a noob just to shroom growing,so I strayed away from poo etc.Mixing and balancing ph is no problem.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Mr420]
#6149118 - 10/09/06 03:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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if you are a noob to shroom growing then you are a noob to mushroom cult. just go with the already mixed stuff and when you get a little better and your feet wet then i would go coir verm
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Mr420]
#6150877 - 10/09/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I voted for other , as in NONE . I've spent the last year doing comparisons of cased and uncased substrates and I'm coming to the decision that it doesn't really make that much of a difference with cubes . Especially if you only go two flushes .
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: HippieChick]
#6150901 - 10/09/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you're looking for simplicity with casings, then go with a standard peat based potting medium. Simply pasteurize the material for an hour and use once cooled. Don't get any easier. And you certainly don't achieve great results with cubensis un-cased, as you would with a cased substrate if you know what you're doing.
Edited by Hotnuts (10/09/06 05:07 PM)
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6150990 - 10/09/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hotnuts said: And you certainly don't achieve great results with cubensis un-cased, as you would with a cased substrate if you know what you're doing.
I beg to differ . I've gotten just as big of flushes cased or un cased .
I'm not seeing that much difference with cubes . That is with bulk subs and not cakes or such .
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: HippieChick]
#6151003 - 10/09/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I disagree. You've got a mighty large spot there that isn't providing fruit bodies. Why?
No need to answer, I know why.
Edited by Hotnuts (10/09/06 05:31 PM)
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6151008 - 10/09/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: HippieChick]
#6151042 - 10/09/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi HC...So you dont even bother casing? I have a few 1 quart rye berry jars almost colonized with amazons...Can I just dump them in a ceramic bowl and apply to fruiting conditions?
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Helltick]
#6151062 - 10/09/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6151122 - 10/09/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow...what would you do if you were a noob like me with 4-1 quart rye jars almost colonized? I have a Martha type setup (4 tier greenhouse) -ultrasonic -cool mist
Sorry to bother you...but you seem pro.
Thx.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Helltick]
#6151219 - 10/09/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd spawn them to pasteurized horse manure at a rate of 1:15. 1 quart or spawn to 15 quarts of pasteurized horse manure and then left alone for 2 weeks to colonize. See my "Simple Casing Technique" at Topia. http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=13444
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6151300 - 10/09/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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sweet mycotopia is back
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Helltick]
#6151315 - 10/09/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Helltick said: Wow...what would you do if you were a noob like me with 4-1 quart rye jars almost colonized? I have a Martha type setup (4 tier greenhouse) -ultrasonic -cool mist
Sorry to bother you...but you seem pro.
Thx.
Pics make someone seem like a pro , lol ?
I have a 4 tier green house also
And as I've said . I've spawned over 1,000 pounds of poo so far this year , and I've noticed that a casing layer doesn't really make that much of a difference in yield , to me , cased or uncased with cubes . Casing is optional , with bulk subs .
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: HippieChick]
#6151340 - 10/09/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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A 4 tier greenhouse? lol! That's funny. Cubensis don't need a greenhouse, nor any other artificial enviroments at that. These were sitting on my floor in the great wide open. Nodda as far as artificial enviroments are concerned. I don't want to ruffle feathers here, but cubensis mushrooms are extremely simple to cultivate without greenhouses exc. In fact, I can cultivate cubensis in my sleep.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6151358 - 10/09/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If they're so simple , why do they need a casing layer ? They don't need a greenhouse are any other artificial conditions , but they need a casing layer .
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: HippieChick]
#6151365 - 10/09/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because a casing layer provides a micro-climate on the surface of the substrate. It's basic cultivation really.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6151377 - 10/09/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand basic cultivation . I have to ask where that spawn ratio of 15 to 1 came from ? First time I've ever heard of one that high .
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: HippieChick]
#6151378 - 10/09/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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HC how many flushes do you average per casing? I've seen thicker casing layers substain better flushes longer personally. I speak from grains BTW
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: hyphae]
#6151460 - 10/09/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sweetie, i've spawned at a 1:50 ratio. Don't think i'm ragging or disrespecting you either HC. I've been at this for a long while now and know what I can and can't get away with. No harm in my posts toward you at all.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6151507 - 10/09/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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And by the way HC, that's hands down the most impressive un-cased cubensis substrate i've seen.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6151593 - 10/09/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hotnuts said: And by the way HC, that's hands down the most impressive un-cased cubensis substrate i've seen.
That because she's got the touch!
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: HippieChick]
#6151625 - 10/09/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow this is getting more heated than I thought looks like peat's gonna win though.I may do a pre made peat mix that almost sounds too easy,but only if I find one thats close enough to a 50/50.
And HC I will kinda be contributing to that test,I have several jars each of 3 strains that will not get cased at all.I am spliting one cake each in half and 2 of each will just be whole cakes.Then the approx.12 2cake casings all together.I may even do 1 case each strain in moisture control just to test most everything at once,that way I will know whats best on try #2,and I'll be too busy trying new stuff(grain to poo)to worry whether my pf casings are right or not.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: hyphae]
#6151659 - 10/09/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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hyphae said: HC how many flushes do you average per casing? I've seen thicker casing layers substain better flushes longer personally. I speak from grains BTW
Hi Hyphae I usually get 3-4.
This is flush 3 for this one . I just took these about a half hour ago
I can't find my notes right now , just got in from a long weekend , but when I do I'll post the weight of the first 2 flushes
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Just found my notes . The uncased container , I did 3 like that this time , had flushes of 482 , 544 and 415 respectively .
I have 10 six pound each casings going at the moment . The best flushes so far have been 839 , 709 and 689 grams wet per flush. All were first flushes . The 839 and 689 were both uncased
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6151673 - 10/09/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Will the miracle grow-MC be OK out of the bag or is pasteurizing still necessary?
thx.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: HippieChick]
#6151776 - 10/09/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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hyphae said: HC how many flushes do you average per casing? I've seen thicker casing layers substain better flushes longer personally. I speak from grains BTW
Hi Hyphae I usually get 3-4.
This is flush 3 for this one . I just took these about a half hour ago
I can't find my notes right now , just got in from a long weekend , but when I do I'll post the weight of the first 2 flushes
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Just found my notes . The uncased container , I did 3 like that this time , had flushes of 482 , 544 and 415 respectively .
I have 10 six pound each casings going at the moment . The best flushes so far have been 839 , 709 and 689 grams wet per flush. All were first flushes . The 839 and 689 were both uncased
They look pretty cased to me HC.... Its almost like a doubled ended casing that you are attempting with the pf tek.
Personally, I think that casing ISNT imprtant, IF you have the right humidity levels in your growing environment, AND the substrate has somewhere to sponge moisture from - in your uncased pics, the substrate appears to be sitting on a bed of moist verm or something.
If thats the case (pardon the pun ), then you ARE in fact providing a moisture resovoir for your substrate (somehwere to suck water from) - hence its not technically a completely unaided or uncased substrate afterall...
Also, with regards to spawn ratio - commercial farms spawn at a rate of 1%, with a thin layer of a higher ratio of spawn mix on the top that colonises a bit quicker than the rest of the substrate to prevent contams. So, a ratio of 1 to 15 is probably just fine. But, obviously, it takes longer to colonise - as hotnutz said, he waits 2 weeks.
I like a 30% spawn ratio at least so those bastards are ready to be cased within 4 or 5 days.
Its obvious you are BOTH doing the right thing - its just different methods. HC - you have a greenhouse that provides the humidity needed to get away without a casing layer, where Hotnutz uses no greenhouse, so gets his required humidity levels from a casing layer.
Potatoes, potatos. I personally have found a casing layer helps and will always use one. I did an experiment once where I left one monotub cased and the other one uncased - the uncased one didnt fruit for a month, when I'd had 2 flushes already from the cased tub. The uncased one still didnt fruit until I added a thin casing layer.
IMO, Its easier to get humidity levels right by adding one, then it is stuffing around with humidifiers and green houses...
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: HippieChick]
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: _OttO_]
#6151834 - 10/09/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is sitting on damp verm , what you see on top is discolorization from spores from the first 2 flushes . I still case , 7 are cased and 3 aren't . I just don't think I'm gonna worry about it that much anymore . From my experiences , the difference doesn't really outweigh the added work and expense . My uncased containers usually fruit first . Plus , you don't have to worry about all the mycelium popping through the layer at the same time . It colonizes and you place it in light . All the mycelium is getting light at the exact same time .
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Helltick]
#6151837 - 10/09/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Helltick said: Will the miracle grow-MC be OK out of the bag or is pasteurizing still necessary?
One of the posts a few up said no,but with all this attention to clean I have went through I would just because it will seem half assed if not.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Mr420]
#6151960 - 10/09/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes, you definitely want to pasteurize the miracle gro mix.
ghetto microwave pseudo-pasteurization works well for it too
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. *DELETED* [Re: Mr420]
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: StroFun]
#6153854 - 10/10/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah this thread got me excited too all the pros came to comment throwin around their pics of beutiful grows,I am definetly experimenting,somtimes like with casing there was just too many experiments to pick from.Thanks for the vote of luck,I'll be making a log soon there is a psuedo log in my journal for now.
Well thanks for all your votes and comments guys,I am off to home depot to see what kind of peat mixes I can find if none are to my liking I'll just mix up my own but 4 jars are getting cased tomorrow either way.Only 25 jars to go...
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Mr420]
#6161984 - 10/12/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's one from anticheffy at Topia that's also impressive. Uncased compost using PE6 multispore. No greenhouse either. A simple perlite terrarium.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Hotnuts]
#6163334 - 10/12/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn thats a nice uncased one too,I ended up going with Mgrow moisture control 70/30 with verm.I figured fuck it just make up my own new casing type,the mgrow left a lot as far as texture to be desired but a cup of verm to 2-1/2 cups of m grow seemed the same as 50/50+ tek just without the balancing.
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Re: Vote on my Casing layer. [Re: Mr420]
#6163364 - 10/12/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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its not entirely new, ive done just that before... maybe a little less verm (and i used fine grade), probably in the 20% range
i dont actually have complaints about the texture of straight moisture control BUT the verm makes the mix more "crumbly" and a bit easier to apply evenly, which is certainly a bonus
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