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N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon
    #6148358 - 10/08/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yup

do you think that there will be any unilateral, or single power i.e. the usa striking back at the country in retailation?


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6148603 - 10/08/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wonder where they did it at

Does the nuclear location have a beard?


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6148654 - 10/08/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

no.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Vvellum]
    #6149007 - 10/09/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Now North Korea will be able to take over the world!

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Buddha5254]
    #6149014 - 10/09/06 01:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well their motive is defense against countries like the US. World domination is really not their interest at all. I hope things go well for them.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6149041 - 10/09/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

shit, I was hoping for another week of Mark Foley coverage


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6149054 - 10/09/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I was being entirely fececious. You hope things go well for a country that starves its people so they can have the bomb? That is retarded.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Buddha5254]
    #6149070 - 10/09/06 02:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I realized you were joking. I hope things go well for them concerning this issue in regards to the empty diplomatic threats they're been receiving from the US, which I believe were useless and only helped escalate matters to this point. No need to stretch my comment.

I certainly don't hope that things go any better for the US, a country whose own corruptions have no need to be explained, yet go mostly unseen, and even more denied, by its own population, in misguided self-righteousness.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6149181 - 10/09/06 04:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You do realize that N. Korea is completely corrupt from the top down, don't you?

A government that is based upon tyranny, intimidation, and keeping the common man subjugated now has the ability of nuclear attack. Considering how miserable their economy is, it's not unfathomable that N. Korea will attempt a landgrab for resources, and with nukes in their arsenal they might use them.

If you're trying to say that america is more corrupt than north korea, then you must be sickeningly unaware of the way that communist governments have always wound up working. Such a claim would be so wrong that it's nearly comical.


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Konnrade]
    #6149258 - 10/09/06 06:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

more corrupt no, just corrupt on a different level. america is more subconciously controlling, N Korea doesn't hide it


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Konnrade]
    #6149652 - 10/09/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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A government that is based upon tyranny, intimidation, and keeping the common man subjugated now has the ability of nuclear attack.





I hate to burst your bubble but they invented it in the 1940s.
You are talking about the US, no?


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Asante]
    #6149657 - 10/09/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Redstorm]
    #6149733 - 10/09/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Every political force is corrupt.. I'd wager that every major world power has a nuclear arsenal too. They don't fool me for a minute.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: vash0523]
    #6149752 - 10/09/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What defines major power? And where is the line drawn from Major to Minor.


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6150010 - 10/09/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

My government is corrupt of course, but they dont starve me to death to achieve their ends. They also didnt starve millions of my fellow citizens since the late 1990s. If there was ever a dictator to take out it is Kim Jong Il.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Konnrade]
    #6150382 - 10/09/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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You do realize that N. Korea is completely corrupt from the top down, don't you?

A government that is based upon tyranny, intimidation, and keeping the common man subjugated now has the ability of nuclear attack. Considering how miserable their economy is, it's not unfathomable that N. Korea will attempt a landgrab for resources, and with nukes in their arsenal they might use them.



Everything in your post is to be said for the US, as has been previously noted. Consider who imposes the sanctions on that country, then re-think who is really starving them. "Your actions made me hit you" is a stance only a genuine retard would ever defend - tho I do not call you that, but that is reality.
I also don't believe in a "lesser of two evils" stance. Martyr before Murder might be my stance, just came up with that.

Serious question: Is the US' economy any less miserable when it's sitting on an 8.3-8.5 trillion dollar debt? Isn't any wellness it has only an illusion? Isn't it true that it is actually in the worst position of all?

Edited by Disco Cat (10/09/06 04:49 PM)

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6150543 - 10/09/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Oh my goodness, a Nuclear Weapon? This...this is unprecedented! Never before has a country made such a brazen display of its intent to wreak havoc upon our Earth! How could this happen? I thought these "Nuclear Weapons" were just the stuff of futuristic nightmares! We can only hope that no country will ever use one of these Doomsday devices against an enemy, for that would require an unimaginable evil!

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Viveka]
    #6150772 - 10/09/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We can talk about it as much as we want, but they still have the bomb. And tomorow Iran will have it. People feel safe when they have the bomb, so I percieve it as a good thing. I don't think anyone will use nuclear missles to solve a small conflict, but it will prevent the larger ones.

I still dislike the idea of people using nuclear instead of chemical weapons. Chemicals can be so clean and efficient, they don't even have to kill. Imagine using a batch of LSD instead of a nuke! So much effective, soldiers would trip out, see Supermans and Godzilas, and no one would feel like going to war. And we would have... peace. (says Palpatine)


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Viper]
    #6151445 - 10/09/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There's a reason that chemical weapons are so frowned upon as they are. Despite any cold, numerical advantages they may have, they tend to cause extremely high amounts of pain and suffering when compared to other forms of weapons. Those who aren't killed by them may wish that they had been, and a wrong breeze in the wrong place could turn a chemical attack against a civilian population.


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Konnrade]
    #6151710 - 10/09/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I never seen superman or godzilla on acid


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: tak]
    #6151747 - 10/09/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thats because your not asian.


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: barfightlard]
    #6151792 - 10/09/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Could you imagine how much acid godzilla would have to eat?

Sheets!

And superman is immune, I heard.


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6152097 - 10/09/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Everything in your post is to be said for the US, as has been previously noted. Consider who imposes the sanctions on that country, then re-think who is really starving them.



No offense, but do you follow the news?

China slips them food aid in massive quantities EVERY YEAR, more than enough to make up the deficit, and they're still starving. Their economy is grossly mismanaged, but what do you expect for a regime that clings to an oppressive, disproven idea?

The Soviets weren't able to produce enough food to feed their people (see Soviet dependence on US grain imports during the 1970s and 1980s) and they actually had enough arable land to do so. The same thing happened in China. It's no coincidence that Deng Xiaoping introduced capitalistic reforms beginning immediately after Mao's death in 1976 and guess what...the starvation went away.

The North Koreans are starving because communism was a failed experiment in economics, and they are too foolish to admit that.

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Serious question: Is the US' economy any less miserable when it's sitting on an 8.3-8.5 trillion dollar debt? Isn't any wellness it has only an illusion? Isn't it true that it is actually in the worst position of all?



I was going to ask if this was serious, but I guess you're insisting it is.

The debt belongs to the US government, it's essentially meaningless to the US economy. Even better, because of the method used by the Federal Reserve to increase the money supply (Open Market Operations), the deficit can (and is) actually made to quietly go away over time. So, over time, the debt will also become meaningless to the US government.

The US economy hasn't shrunk in decades, even when there has been a recession, that just indicated that growth slowed, but the growth itself has never stopped. So long as the economy is growing, there's going to be an ever-increasing demand for currency. So long as there is an ever increasing demand for currency, the Fed can perform Open Market Operations to rid the government of debt.

Even if the US economy began to shrink (or stagnate) this wouldn't be a problem because the government can currently afford to make all of its debt payments (hence why there's no problem borrowing more).

So, essentially the only way for the debt to be a problem would be if the economy began a complete and total contraction. However, that would mean the economy was already in the toilet, so the question becomes rhetorical "Wouldn't the debt mean the US economy was in shambles, if the US economy was already in shambles?".

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6152359 - 10/09/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The Soviets weren't able to produce enough food to feed their people (see Soviet dependence on US grain imports during the 1970s and 1980s) and they actually had enough arable land to do so. The same thing happened in China. It's no coincidence that Deng Xiaoping introduced capitalistic reforms beginning immediately after Mao's death in 1976 and guess what...the starvation went away.

The North Koreans are starving because communism was a failed experiment in economics, and they are too foolish to admit that.




slightly off-topic...

here is an essay that asserts that socialism certainly had its problems but was not entirely an economic failure and could compete with comparable capitalist economies: is socialism still on the agenda

and the following debate of the article with a proponent of capitalism: Horowitz / Albert Debates

worth reading the exchange between horowitz and albert.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Vvellum]
    #6153719 - 10/10/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think it's too off topic. It is important to ask whether or not sanctions against North Korea are a good idea, after all, and that's what the Michael Albert article gets at the heart of.

Personally, I think he would agree that North Korea is clearly a case of Soviet Socialism, or what he would call "Socialism 1" and it needs to go. People are suffering there because of this horrible system, and the blame belongs squarely on the oligarchy in power within North Korea.

As for the rest of the debate, I read it, but it wasn't really my cup of tea.

I decided to study economics instead of political science because I like to work with models and numbers, not morals and emotions. One of my favorite quotes by an economist is Steven Levitt telling Jon Stewart "Once your remove the moral aspects, the question of abortion becomes really easy..."

I still question socialism based on the Social Planner's Problem, the neoclassical version of what Hayek would have called the Economic Calculation Problem ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_debate ). Unfortunately, Horowitz isn't very good at describing or elaborating on it, and so Albert never truly addresses it, and when he does it's only to skirt it. I don't blame Albert, because it's really Horowitz's fault for not articulating.

From what limited empirical evidence is available on Participatory Economics (Albert's suggestion), it still seems incapable of solving the Social Planner's Problem. I would point to Venezuela as the example, they have long implemented Participatory Economic principles in cooperative farming, and Chavez has also brought it to factories and other workplaces more recently ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4155936.stm ), and yet this has been accompanied by a complete inability to set efficient prices, and shortages of basic goods as a result. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4599260.stm )

Maybe other nations would have better luck with it, but things don't look good so far.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6153811 - 10/10/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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One of my favorite quotes by an economist is Steven Levitt telling Jon Stewart "Once your remove the moral aspects, the question of abortion becomes really easy..."




Wow! That is nice... going to have to remember that one!

I'm far from an expert in economics or any political "ism", but I always felt that the only way communism/socialism will work is if energy becomes free. Of course, most of the worlds problems would go away if energy were free, so my point is a bit absurd.


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6153832 - 10/10/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the links. I'll check them out.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6154370 - 10/10/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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zippoz said:
yup

do you think that there will be any unilateral, or single power i.e. the usa striking back at the country in retailation?




Fucknuckle thinks it will go down like this..............

1 They set off one or two more bigger test Nukes and really piss everybody off

2 We blockade their entire country land, sea and air. Sanctions yeah !that is what we will call it

3 They will become aggressive and fire on something of ours

4 We will bomb them close to stone age just like we always do

5 They will realize there is no recovery and Nukes go into South Korea

6 We lose 80,000 troops,millions of people and we vaporize the entire North Korea people

7 The rest of the region erupts into war and within a few months North America gets Vaporized by Russia and China and them by us



And somewhere in all of this some nuke will find it's way to Israel


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #6156076 - 10/10/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Israel has nukes.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Adden]
    #6156128 - 10/10/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Now what? Do you think that NK will come to the peace table and comply with international agreements on nuclear weapons or will they continue to do what ever they want? If they do not agree to comply with international agreements what should the international community do in order to protect their interests? In other words how much should we concede to the North Koreans before force is used to bring them into compliance?

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #6156224 - 10/10/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I would say we should levy economic sanctions on them, but they don't give a fuck about their population anyways.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Redstorm]
    #6156270 - 10/10/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So what if other nations like China or Russia ignore our sanctions and continue to trade with them? As you said they don't care about the population anyway. What to do, if anything, after/if the first round of sanctions fail?

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #6156328 - 10/10/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What to do, if anything, after/if the first round of sanctions fail?




Start the launch sequence?

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #6156432 - 10/10/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I dunno. I wouldn't feel sanction would be reasonable anyways; the citizens from NK are already in poor condition as it is. I'm not even sure what we should do. Military strikes are out of the question, though, so far.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6156699 - 10/10/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Konnrade said:
You do realize that N. Korea is completely corrupt from the top down, don't you?

A government that is based upon tyranny, intimidation, and keeping the common man subjugated now has the ability of nuclear attack. Considering how miserable their economy is, it's not unfathomable that N. Korea will attempt a landgrab for resources, and with nukes in their arsenal they might use them.



Everything in your post is to be said for the US, as has been previously noted. Consider who imposes the sanctions on that country, then re-think who is really starving them. "Your actions made me hit you" is a stance only a genuine retard would ever defend - tho I do not call you that, but that is reality.
I also don't believe in a "lesser of two evils" stance. Martyr before Murder might be my stance, just came up with that.

Serious question: Is the US' economy any less miserable when it's sitting on an 8.3-8.5 trillion dollar debt? Isn't any wellness it has only an illusion? Isn't it true that it is actually in the worst position of all?





Good Point Disco Cat, I would like to add: where does the US get off thinking they are in control of the whole world. If anyone has the world by the balls its China. They have what it takes to become the strongest country(if not allready) We are in debt to them up to our eyeballs(as well as other countries) I'll bet once the war is over(unlikely) or settles down and we start to feel the effect of our debt in this country we'll be begging some "crazy" man to take us out. Like a great man once said "Blow Them Off The Map!"

Edited by shroom_me (10/10/06 11:59 PM)

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6160956 - 10/12/06 04:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Economist said:
No offense, but do you follow the news?

China slips them food aid in massive quantities EVERY YEAR, more than enough to make up the deficit, and they're still starving. Their economy is grossly mismanaged, but what do you expect for a regime that clings to an oppressive, disproven idea?

The Soviets weren't able to produce enough food to feed their people (see Soviet dependence on US grain imports during the 1970s and 1980s) and they actually had enough arable land to do so. The same thing happened in China. It's no coincidence that Deng Xiaoping introduced capitalistic reforms beginning immediately after Mao's death in 1976 and guess what...the starvation went away.

The North Koreans are starving because communism was a failed experiment in economics, and they are too foolish to admit that.



I was suprisingly unaware of all the food aid they receive, sorry.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6160971 - 10/12/06 04:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm taking bets that it wasn't a nuke.

A small nuke is the most sophisticated weapon there is, and the north koreans certainly don't have a sophisticated nuclear weapons industry. The detonation was sub kiloton.

I smell fish...


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6160988 - 10/12/06 04:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

*dolphin and whale...canned


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Roker]
    #6161002 - 10/12/06 04:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Roker said:
I'm taking bets that it wasn't a nuke.

A small nuke is the most sophisticated weapon there is, and the north koreans certainly don't have a sophisticated nuclear weapons industry. The detonation was sub kiloton.

I smell fish...




Physically small nukes are hard, this nuke (if it was a nuke) was probably the size of truck and did not go off properly, thats not hard.

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: psilomonkey]
    #6161153 - 10/12/06 06:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

North Korea is just blowing smoke. Even if they have a nuke it compares nothing to our 100,000 so bring it!

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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #6161767 - 10/12/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Fucknuckle said:
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zippoz said:
yup

do you think that there will be any unilateral, or single power i.e. the usa striking back at the country in retailation?




Fucknuckle thinks it will go down like this..............

1 They set off one or two more bigger test Nukes and really piss everybody off

2 We blockade their entire country land, sea and air. Sanctions yeah !that is what we will call it

3 They will become aggressive and fire on something of ours

4 We will bomb them close to stone age just like we always do

5 They will realize there is no recovery and Nukes go into South Korea

6 We lose 80,000 troops,millions of people and we vaporize the entire North Korea people

7 The rest of the region erupts into war and within a few months North America gets Vaporized by Russia and China and them by us

8 Australia will be like "WTF Mate"



And somewhere in all of this some nuke will find it's way to Israel




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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6161780 - 10/12/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> They set off one or two more bigger test Nukes and really piss everybody off

Depends upon the reason for setting off the first nuke. If they are trying to get attention, then they have no reason to set off any more. If they are trying to build a bomb program, then they will have to set off at least one more to get data needed to progress the program.

If the failure was caused by what I suspect, then they are pretty much screwed for the next year or so with respect to making anything that will work better. Of course, I could easily be wrong about what tI suspect caused the failure.

> We blockade their entire country land, sea and air.

Somebody needs to take a quick peek at the globe and note what countries border North Korea.


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6163451 - 10/12/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:
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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: quiver]
    #6164853 - 10/13/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

huh?


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6166403 - 10/13/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

or maybe not ..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061013/ap_o...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

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N. Korea air sample has no radioactivity

By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer 35 minutes ago

Results from an initial air sampling after North Korea's announced nuclear test showed no evidence of radioactive particles that would be expected from a successful nuclear detonation, a U.S. government intelligence official said Friday.

The test results do not necessarily mean the North Korean blast was not a nuclear explosion, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to disclose the sampling results.

Nonetheless, the readings reinforce uncertainty about the size and success of Monday's underground explosion, which North Korea has trumpeted as a nuclear test. It also keeps alive lingering questions about whether it was in fact a nuclear blast. Data from seismic sensors have already indicated the explosion was smaller than expected.

The Chinese and Japanese governments have done their own air sampling and found no trace of radioactive material, officials from both countries said Friday. A Japanese government official said his country sampled air over the Sea of Japan, as well as rainfall and ground-level air on Japanese territory and found nothing.

The U.S. intelligence official described the U.S. results as the State Department announced that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will travel to China, South Korea and Japan next week to discuss steps to pressure North Korea to drop its nuclear efforts and to assess the region's security situation.

Rice's trip is the next step in the U.S. diplomatic offensive at the United Nations and with Pyongyang's neighbors.

Members of the U.N. Security Council agreed Friday on wording of a resolution that would clamp sanctions on the communist country. The draft, scheduled for a Saturday vote, would authorize nonmilitary sanctions against the North, and says that any further action the council might want to take would require another U.N. resolution.

It also eliminates a blanket arms embargo from a tougher, previous draft, instead targeting specific equipment for sanctions including missiles, tanks, warships and combat aircraft.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said that on Rice's trip, "she's going to be talking about the passage of that resolution certainly, but really what comes after."

Rice's trip is meant to present a unified front to North Korea, which will be looking for any cracks in the diplomatic coalition behind the U.N. statement. Coming less than a month before midterm congressional elections, Rice's trip is also an opportunity for the Bush administration to highlight its work countering dangerous regimes and terror threats.

Beyond the threat to Asian neighbors and perhaps other nations posed by a nuclear North Korea, the Bush administration is worried that Pyongyang could sell its nuclear know-how to terrorists or other potential U.S. enemies, including Iran.

"Now is the time really to be very firm — to be calm, but firm — and to make clear to the North Koreans that no one is going to accept them as a nuclear weapons state, that we're not going to live with them as a nuclear weapons state, that they're going to have to get themselves out of this category and join in the world and choose another path," Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill said Friday at the National Press Club.

At the White House, press secretary Tony Snow said the Bush administration's analysis of the North Korean explosion was continuing.

"They still think the analysis that they're doing will take another day or two," he said.

Analysts and government officials have said it may take weeks or longer to determine whether the North Korean explosion was nuclear.

"Sampling devices may simply have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, or the amounts of radioactive material may have been too small to detect because this may have been a failed test of a small nuclear device," Daryl Kimball, executive director of the private Arms Control Association, said in an interview Friday.

The air sample was taken Tuesday by a specialized aircraft, the WC-135, flying from Kadena air base in Okinawa, Japan. It apparently took the sample over the Sea of Japan, between the Korean mainland and Japan.

In Beijing, a government official said Friday that Chinese monitoring also has found no evidence of airborne radiation from the test-explosion. The official with the State Environmental Protection Administration said China has been monitoring air samples since Monday.

The U.S. intelligence official said an initial result from the U.S. air sample testing became available late this week. He said a final result would be available within days but the initial finding is considered conclusive.

It was not immediately clear whether the WC-135 took additional samples after the Tuesday effort.

The U.S., which has sought tough steps in the United Nations that could leave the door open to a blockade or other military action, has had to give ground to gain support from China and Russia. Those countries, along with South Korea, have been reluctant to abandon diplomatic efforts to resolve the standoff.

On Wednesday, Bush indicated he saw little distinction between an actual nuclear test by North Korea and its announcement of one.

"The United States is working to confirm North Korea's claim, but this claim itself constitutes a threat to international peace and stability," Bush said.




why they would fake it is anyones' guess..unless it really is just rove selling an earthquake as a nuke...


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6166445 - 10/13/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

LMAO...................one plane at one point is space of air thousand of miles away..........Ya OK

I am going to put aside 30 years of Nuclear power being generated and 40 years of Nuclear Bomb research................because one plane didn't get a nose full of Atomic fallout from a bomb 600 meters under ground thousand of miles away ?


No I firmly believe they did in fact set a Nuke off.

The US goverment is only going to promte facts supporting a fake nuke.


Don't worry Pingyoungfool will be setting off a much larger Nuke in the near future.


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Psychoslut]
    #6166936 - 10/13/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Psychoslut said:
huh?




:lol:
do you have any idea?


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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6166984 - 10/13/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

OH NOES!



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Re: N. Korea Has detonated a nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6177025 - 10/16/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

good read. thanks. I think I understand a bit more.

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