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InvisibleMycomancer
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North Korea tests nuclear bomb
    #6148068 - 10/08/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

North Korea says nuclear test successful

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported Monday the country has performed a successful nuclear test.

South Korean government officials also said North Korea performed its first nuclear test, the South's Yonhap news agency reported

According to KCNA, there was no radioactive leakage from the site.

South Korean officials could not immediately confirm the Yonhap report.

South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun convened an urgent meeting of security advisers over the issue, Yonhap reported.

The North said last week it would conduct a nuclear test as part of its deterrent against a possible U.S. invasion.

The report of the test came as Japan's new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe arrived in Seoul for meetings with President Roh Moo-hyun to address the nuclear issue as well as address strains in relations between the two countries over territorial and historical disputes.

North Korea accused rival South Korea on Monday of committing a serious provocation by firing warning shots during a weekend incident in which the South says soldiers from the communist North crossed over their border.

The border shooting came Saturday. South Korean soldiers rattled off about 40 warning shots after a group of five North Korean troops crossed into the southern side of the no-man's-land separating the divided Korean peninsula, South Korea said.

No one was hurt in the incident.

"The nuclear test is a historic event that brought happiness to the our military and people," KCNA said.

South Korea's Yonhap news agency said the test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (9:36 p.m. EDT Sunday) in Hwaderi near Kilju city, citing defense officials.

"The field of scientific research in the DPRK (North Korea's official name) successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions on October 9 ... at a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation," KCNA reported.

Late Sunday in Washington, the U.S. military told CNN it believed the report to be true, but was working to fully confirm it.

Senior U.S. officials said they also believed the test took place.

"The nuclear test was conducted with indigenous wisdom and technology 100 percent. It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the KPA (Korean People's Army) and people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability," KCNA reported.

"It will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the area around it."

The Japanese government set up a task force in response to reports of the test, Kyodo News agency said Monday. Ministers and officials were urgently called to discuss the situation, the agency reported.

Officials at the Prime Minister's Office were not immediately available to confirm the report.

Edited by Mycomancer (10/08/06 09:59 PM)

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6148093 - 10/08/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Crazy ass mofos.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6148097 - 10/08/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What a wonderful world. Lets give a big round of applause to George W Bush for making this all happin.  :sad:


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: stew248]
    #6148132 - 10/08/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

We should test one on them.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Brainiac]
    #6148160 - 10/08/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Its time that we elect a government into power that has credibilty with the rest of the world...


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6148173 - 10/08/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder how M*A*S*H 2 is gonna do... probably not as good as the first one...




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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6148196 - 10/08/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wait a minute. Is this a nuclear test as in a bomb, or a power plant? It'd be nice if they used a term other than "nuclear test" somewhere in the article.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: supercollider]
    #6148204 - 10/08/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

nuclear test is an underground bomb


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: supercollider]
    #6148207 - 10/08/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?fil...ec=Worldupdates
North Korea say conducted underground nuclear test

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea has carried out an underground nuclear test, the North Korea's Central News Agency (KCNA) said on Monday.

"Our science research section has safely and successfully conducted an underground nuclear test on Oct. 9," it said.

It added that there was no leak or danger from the test.


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that means they tested a bomb not a power plant lol

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: supercollider]
    #6148225 - 10/08/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

N.Korea 'eyes nuke test in mine' (article from yesterday)

BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- North Korea is "more or less ready" to conduct a nuclear test deep inside an abandoned coal mine but might hold off it can win concesssions from the United States, a Chinese source briefed by Pyongyang said on Friday.

The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said a device would be detonated about 2,000 metres (6,500 feet) inside a mine near the border with China in the north of the country.

North Korean leader Kim Jong-il had issued instructions that the test should "not excessively rock" Mount Paektu, a nearby peak many Koreans consider sacred.

"They are more or less ready," the source told Reuters after speaking to North Korean officials. He did not give a timetable.

His comments could not be independently confirmed, but South Korea newspapers reported that although there were thousands of mine shafts that could be used for a test. Seoul and neighbouring countries were closely monitoring three or four sites.

The Hankook Ilbo newspaper said the most likely site was the administrative district of Gilju in North Hamkyung province.

This was the area mentioned in a report by U.S. television network ABC news in August that an American intelligence agency had observed suspicious vehicle movements as a suspected nuclear test site.

Hankook Ilbo said a test would not have to take place in Gilju since there are so many disused mine shafts, and named the districts of Hagab and Shijung in the province of Jagang, which shares a border with China, as potential sites.

"Finding the test site beforehand would be akin to finding a needle in the Han River," it said.

The Chinese source said Pyongyang "may not necessarily test", and would hold off if Beijing and other Asian powers could convince the United States to lift sanctions and open dialogue.

New Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is due to visit China on Sunday and South Korea the next day for summits to repair ties frayed by feuds over their wartime past. But North Korea's nuclear threat will grab a top spot on the agenda.

South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun visits China, North Korea's closest ally and major donor, next Friday.

"The bilaterals will be useless unless they can talk the United States into changing its attitude and respecting North Korea's sovereignty," the Chinese source said.

Pyongyang has boycotted six-country talks aimed at persuading it to abandon its atomic arms programme for almost a year since the United States froze its assets in a Macau bank. Washington has said the move is part of a crackdown on suspected North Korean counterfeiting, money-laundering and drug-trafficking.

China has hosted the six-party talks since 2003, with the two Koreas, the United States, Japan and Russia attending.

Peter Hayes, executive director of the Nautilus Institute, a San Francisco-based think-tank that focuses on North Korea, said Pyongyang was attempting to use the threat of a nuclear test to press the United States into direct dialogue and concessions, including a lifting of financial restrictions.

"It's a quite unprecedented use of nuclear weapons to force an adversary to do something, rather than refrain from doing something," he said.

He said North Korea's plans remained murky but the chances of a nuclear test were high.

"The chances are that they will do it, having said that they will," he said. "The DPRK (North Korea) has been talking up its military power in the media for some time."

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6148238 - 10/08/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

good for them


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6148297 - 10/08/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Cool. Welcome to the club, North Korea.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: DNKYD]
    #6148353 - 10/08/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

we need to be very concerned about what the us and international response to this action would be.......

im halfway debating leaving town... now...


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6148383 - 10/08/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: pooppoop]
    #6148390 - 10/08/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't get too worried yet. I'd be willing to bet their president is smarter than ours and knows better than to do anything straight retarded, hopefully.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: DNKYD]
    #6148392 - 10/08/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Cool. Welcome to the club, North Korea.



They haven't reached the super duper exclusive club of countries to use them on a civilian population.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: bukkake]
    #6148406 - 10/08/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i going to be very interested in seeing how this all goes from this point forward.....

the news channels are saying that military action is not likely, and that any economic sanctions are un-likely to do anything as they country is all ready under so many sanctions and restrictions....

WTF mate


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6148430 - 10/08/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I really see no reason to worry. I don't see nuclear war any time in the near future. And if I'm wrong does it really matter? If it ends, it ends.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: DNKYD]
    #6148456 - 10/08/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

holy crap. can you imagine what that must have felt like to be standing on the surface 6,500 feet above a nuclear blast? that shit must have been intense.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: ApJunkie]
    #6148469 - 10/08/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

ApJunkie said:
standing on the surface 6,500 feet above a nuclear blast?




does this sound funny to anyone else?


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #6148472 - 10/08/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

it was detonated underground, although i believe that it was only 2000 feet down in a shaft.....


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6148478 - 10/08/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ah


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #6148572 - 10/08/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

bush's fault...? how is it his fault that some crazed midget sets off a nuke in Korea? he would have done it regardless of who the US pres was.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Syle]
    #6148592 - 10/08/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

We should just pull out of Iraq and attack North Korea, atleast there will be a fight with North Korea. Which country likes North Korea anyways?? Maybe we can get the US's approval rating out of the negatives by doing so!


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6148639 - 10/08/06 11:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If I were in charge of North Korea, I'd want nukes as well.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: Vvellum]
    #6148659 - 10/08/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

And now all countries that feel threatened by NK's nukes will get their own. Of course this means they won't need the World Police (USA) to help protect them. Which means America loses its "superpower" status. And why not stretch that a little further and just say bring on the NWO.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: DNKYD]
    #6148724 - 10/08/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Has anybody other than the North Korean government confirmed this supposed successful nuclear test?


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #6148750 - 10/08/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Rumor has it that there were some strange rumblings.... down at Fraggle Rock!

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6148763 - 10/08/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yah this shit is pretty crazy..

I hope North Korea starts thinking about what they are doing..


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: DNKYD]
    #6148775 - 10/08/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You know whats cool? That slutty girl in HELLA_TIGHT avatar!  :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: TrauM]
    #6148778 - 10/08/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"China, the North’s closest ally, said Beijing "resolutely opposes" the North Korean nuclear test and hopes Pyongyang will return to disarmament talks."

This is good.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15190745/


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #6148779 - 10/08/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

/stock piles marshmallows and graham crackers.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6148819 - 10/09/06 12:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am more worried about Pakistan having nukes than North Korea.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Syle]
    #6148986 - 10/09/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Syle said:
bush's fault...? how is it his fault that some crazed midget sets off a nuke in Korea? he would have done it regardless of who the US pres was.



No, that's just typical American denial. The relationships between the nations have a huge impact on what directions are taken, and with what attitude they are taken.

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TrauM said:
Yah this shit is pretty crazy..

I hope North Korea starts thinking about what they are doing..



If they do then hopefully the US follows their lead. What's scarier is that they probably are already aware, yet still blind.

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Jim said:
good for them



I agree.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: Cowgold]
    #6149079 - 10/09/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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/stock piles marshmallows and graham crackers.




and some chocolate bars!


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Dark_Star]
    #6149122 - 10/09/06 03:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Crazy ass mofos.




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Re: North Korea tests nuclear bomb [Re: Vvellum]
    #6149260 - 10/09/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Why does everyone get their panties in a bunch when other nations want to have nukes?

The only reason they want them is because WE have them........and try to tell THEM that they cant have them.

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The North said last week it would conduct a nuclear test as part of its deterrent against a possible U.S. invasion.




I guarantee you that if Afghanistan or Iraq had nukes.........we would not have been so quick to invade them.

If America wants to improve it's image, world-wide, they need to start selling nukes. Sell them at 2x what it costs the U.S. to make. Sell them to any country that can afford one, with the fore-knowledge that if you use one on us, we use many on you. Pretty soon the whole planet will have nukes. America will be wealthier and every one will be too scared to use them.

Ever heard of a "balance of power"?
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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6149263 - 10/09/06 06:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I hope they share with Iran


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Mycomancer]
    #6149277 - 10/09/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

YAY FOR DESTROYING OURSELVES... FUCKING FUCK FUCK


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Merkin]
    #6149284 - 10/09/06 07:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

damn...i am moving to the middle of nowhere, away from any major cities...oh wait...i already live in the middle of nowhere...damn commies, this is like "team america" part II...


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: elduque]
    #6149311 - 10/09/06 07:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

im right in the city, ill be the first to go down in the explosion :woot:

maybe i should stand outside with my baseball glove if there is a bomb warning.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: elduque]
    #6149320 - 10/09/06 07:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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damn...i am moving to the middle of nowhere, away from any major cities...oh wait...i already live in the middle of nowhere...damn commies, this is like "team america" part II...




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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6149323 - 10/09/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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No, that's just typical American denial. The relationships between the nations have a huge impact on what directions are taken, and with what attitude they are taken.




that's utter horseshit. to me, that is just a typical liberal response dismissing responsibility where responsibility is actually due. this man is a nut job and it is HE that is responsible for getting the nukes. not bush.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Syle]
    #6149324 - 10/09/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I dislike when people post a news article without any personal opinions or questions. It's like, "Here's the news, TALK" They post it up and you don't see one more comment from them in the entire thread.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: unkempt]
    #6149372 - 10/09/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

They can tell us one thing and it could be totaly false. Even if it leeked radiation. They would lie to use to keep us quiet.

I wonder what Bush is going to say about this?

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Newbie]
    #6149377 - 10/09/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I dislike when people post a news article without any personal opinions or questions. It's like, "Here's the news, TALK" They post it up and you don't see one more comment from them in the entire thread.




where is your on-topic opinion then? posting that isnt going to help anything.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: array]
    #6149385 - 10/09/06 08:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Good point.  I personally think this is the beginning of the end.  The whole 2012 thing being 6 years away, that's enough time for another president to move in and cause "Global Thermonuclear Warfare" :lol:  It's all unfolding now, watch it.  It's like every country that should not be fucking with nukes is standing in line for blueprints.

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    #6149393 - 10/09/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6149618 - 10/09/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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bush's fault...? how is it his fault that some crazed midget sets off a nuke in Korea? he would have done it regardless of who the US pres was.



No, that's just typical American denial. The relationships between the nations have a huge impact on what directions are taken, and with what attitude they are taken.



What are you talking about?

The US has never wanted anything more than for North Korea to stop oppressing its people with an outdated and disproven ideology which brings nothing but starvation and hardship.

For some reason, that's too hard for North Korea. They would rather starve their people while maintaining a bloated military, all the while pissing off their neighbors with missile tests and nuclear aspirations.

This has nothing to do with America and everything to do with how grossly irresponsible the leadership of North Korea is. Their people are starving to death every day of the week, and yet feeding them somehow isn't the number one priority. It doesn't even make sense to claim that the whole nukes thing is a ploy for more aid, because they've already been offered more than enough to go around, and the longer they stall and delay, the more their people starve.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: sublime40oz]
    #6149647 - 10/09/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd be willing to bet their president is smarter than ours




That's a bet I'd be willing to take.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Redstorm]
    #6151152 - 10/09/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd be willing to bet their president is smarter than ours




That's a bet I'd be willing to take.




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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6151227 - 10/09/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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bush's fault...? how is it his fault that some crazed midget sets off a nuke in Korea? he would have done it regardless of who the US pres was.



No, that's just typical American denial. The relationships between the nations have a huge impact on what directions are taken, and with what attitude they are taken.






A polotician is no different than any other, only they choose to campaign differently. They are what we see while the regular order of business goes on. I'm not defending Bush, but all this Bush hating bullshit detracts from the real issue, N. Korea with nukes.
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I'd be willing to bet their president is smarter than ours




That's a bet I'd be willing to take.




i would take that bet too.




I'd take it too.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Cowgold]
    #6151881 - 10/09/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So you think its a bad idea for Korea to have nukes?

If so......why?


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6152165 - 10/09/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I do think it's bad for them to have nukes. Before I answer why, you tell me, do you think they should? And why?

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Cowgold]
    #6152389 - 10/09/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I already explained my reasoning on this......but I will quote myself for ya.

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Why does everyone get their panties in a bunch when other nations want to have nukes?

The only reason they want them is because WE have them........and try to tell THEM that they cant have them.

The North said last week it would conduct a nuclear test as part of its deterrent against a possible U.S. invasion.



I guarantee you that if Afghanistan or Iraq had nukes.........we would not have been so quick to invade them.

If America wants to improve it's image, world-wide, they need to start selling nukes. Sell them at 2x what it costs the U.S. to make. Sell them to any country that can afford one, with the fore-knowledge that if you use one on us, we use many on you. Pretty soon the whole planet will have nukes. America will be wealthier and every one will be too scared to use them.

Ever heard of a "balance of power"?
As long as there is a vast difference of power between nations, there will always be conflict.





It doesn't get any simpler than that.

The fear that you perceive is put upon you by the media. If you are afraid of Korea then it will be easier for the government to actually attack them.

Don't let fear cloud your judgment.

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I am more worried about Pakistan having nukes than North Korea.




They already have them.

This fear-mongering is what starts war-mongering...........next thing you know we are invading Korea, for absolutely no reason, other than our own imagined fears.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6152730 - 10/10/06 12:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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bush's fault...? how is it his fault that some crazed midget sets off a nuke in Korea? he would have done it regardless of who the US pres was.



No, that's just typical American denial. The relationships between the nations have a huge impact on what directions are taken, and with what attitude they are taken.



What are you talking about?

The US has never wanted anything more than for North Korea to stop oppressing its people with an outdated and disproven ideology which brings nothing but starvation and hardship.

For some reason, that's too hard for North Korea. They would rather starve their people while maintaining a bloated military, all the while pissing off their neighbors with missile tests and nuclear aspirations.

This has nothing to do with America and everything to do with how grossly irresponsible the leadership of North Korea is. Their people are starving to death every day of the week, and yet feeding them somehow isn't the number one priority. It doesn't even make sense to claim that the whole nukes thing is a ploy for more aid, because they've already been offered more than enough to go around, and the longer they stall and delay, the more their people starve.




N Korea could never have used "American belligerence" as a reason for their nuclear ambitions if American belligerence wasn't there. This actually has to do with everyone involved, whichever end of things they're on.
The US has refused to participate in talks with N Korea, a stubborn attitude which is partly responsible for this. You can say they would've done this anyways, but that's just talk. What really happened is that US played things stubbornly and the result just what Kim Jong said it would be, should the US continue to behave as they were - and the US did so, and N Korea likewise.

The US should have had unconditional and direct talks, there's really no excuse for that besides the US' arrogance and bullying attitude, which has led us to where we are now - considering NK's nuclear direction was resting on these talks.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6152786 - 10/10/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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The US has refused to participate in talks with N Korea




When did this happen??

Are you referring to the US refusing to have one-on-one talks with N. Korea?


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    #6152806 - 10/10/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am, and that's what I'm referring to here -> "The US should have had unconditional and direct talks."

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6152854 - 10/10/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Korea's rush to get nukes was directly linked to GW Bush referring to them as an "Axis of Evil"

They saw us invading countries on their "Evil Nations List" and wanted a nuke to have some form of deterrent.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6153101 - 10/10/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

N Korea's nuclear missile warning

A North Korean official has warned that the communist nation could fire a nuclear-tipped missile unless the US acts to resolve its stand-off with Pyongyang, Yonhap news agency has reported.

"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes," the unnamed official said, according to a Yonhap report from Beijing. "That depends on how the US will act."

Yonhap didn't say how or where it contacted the official, why no name was given or why it delayed reporting until now.

"The nuclear test is an expression of our intention to face the United States across the negotiating table," the official said. "What we want is security of the (North), including guaranteeing our system."

The official also dismissed moves at the UN Security Council to sanction the impoverished nation over its reported nuclear test.

"We have lost enough. Sanctions can never be a solution," the official said. "We still have a willingness to give up nuclear weapons and return to six-party talks as well. It's possible whenever the US takes corresponding measures."

The official didn't elaborate on what the corresponding measures would be. But one of them is believed to be a long-standing North Korean demand that Washington lift financial restrictions imposed on the communist regime for its alleged counterfeiting and money laundering.

North Korea has cited the financial issue in boycotting nuclear disarmament talks with China, Japan, South Korea, Russia and the United States. The talks last convened in November.

Washington has said the issue is unrelated to the nuclear talks, urging the North to return to the dialogue table without conditions.

Pyongyang declared on Monday that it successfully tested a nuclear bomb.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6153754 - 10/10/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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So you think its a bad idea for Korea to have nukes?

If so......why?




I don't want any country to have them. The fewer the better. Nukes for peace is bullshit, they're gonna pull N. Korea into a war quicker.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6153768 - 10/10/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What really happened is that US played things stubbornly and the result just what Kim Jong said it would be, should the US continue to behave as they were - and the US did so, and N Korea likewise.



No, what really happened is that North Korea continued to starve and oppress their people in support of an idea that cannot be justified.

North Korea repeatedly made the choice to build up its military instead of feed its people. If you value guns more than your own citizens you deserve the stubbornness and condemnation of the international community.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6153783 - 10/10/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Korea's rush to get nukes was directly linked to GW Bush referring to them as an "Axis of Evil"

They saw us invading countries on their "Evil Nations List" and wanted a nuke to have some form of deterrent.



You know what else would have been an effective deterrent?

Holding elections and distributing food aid equitably.

I don't understand why people are willing to excuse North Korea's irresponsible and basely-evil behavior in favor of US bashing. Could the US have done things better? Maybe. But the fact remains that the US, South Korea, China, and Japan all gave TONS of food and monetary aid to North Korea, and North Korea couldn't be bothered to actually use said aid to better their people, they instead squandered it on maintaining a bloated and unnecessarily large military.

This is even ignoring their more run-of-the-mill crimes, you know, casual imprisonment of dissenters, forced separation of families that were divided by the Korean war, the elimination of any freedom of press. The North Koreans could not be bothered to feed their own people, and there are extremely few actions more evil that a regime can take than that.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6154032 - 10/10/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't give two shits about how Korea runs its country. Not my problem, seeing as I don't live there. Them having nukes has no bearing on how we live our lives in America, therefore it makes no difference if they have them or not.

If the cold war taught us anything it's that a balance of power will keep the peace much longer than an imbalance will.

Sell nukes to any country that wants them. If a country wants them bad enuf they will get one anyway. Korea being a perfect example. The U.S. may as well make a profit from it and improve their international relations at the same time.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6154314 - 10/10/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Sell nukes to any country that wants them. If a country wants them bad enuf they will get one anyway. Korea being a perfect example. The U.S. may as well make a profit from it and improve their international relations at the same time.





The problem with this is evil men.
A lot of people in power have gotten there by abusing power, and not a few are eager to sacrifice thousands of lives for their personal gain. Such people should be kept from ever acquiring nukes, because they are not far from using them.

I think NK can be trusted with nukes. Al Quaida however would immediately set out to wipe Manhattan off the face of the earth.
Some people, independent of situation, simply want to kill people and think up motivation why that is, and what justifies it :sad:


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Asante]
    #6154504 - 10/10/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

okay, one north korea is years and years away from actually fitting a nuke on a missile and having it work, even getting it small enough to fit would take years...

there is also strong speculation that their nuke did not properly detonate, and there is siesmologic evidence to support this as well.

either way, their military strength is about 20% stronger than what we have on the southern end of the peninsula.

god i want to go play a game of risk now :smile:

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6154554 - 10/10/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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If the cold war taught us anything it's that a balance of power will keep the peace much longer than an imbalance will.



Can you back this up at all?

Or does your definition of "peace" include the Soviet invasions of Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan, the Soviet "intervention" in Hungary during the 1956 riots, pan-Arab military involvement in the Yemeni civil war. Or, how about Soviet support which made both the Suez War and the 6-day war possible?

There was also the Sino-Indian war, the Sino-Vietnamese war, the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, and the Iraq-Iran war.

Then there's the American side, the Vietnam War, the invasions of Panama and Grenada. Plus the funding of insurgencies and counter-insurgencies by all sides in South America, Malaysia, Indonesia, Laos, etc. et al.

If you're somehow able to prove that the 16 years after the fall of the Soviet Union were "less peaceful" than any 16 years during the Cold War, I'd love to hear about it...

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6154617 - 10/10/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

what the cold war showed us was that somehow, 2 giant nations with idiots for leaders were able to fully understand the concept of MAD mutually assured destruction, and noone was stupid enough to get a first strike doctorine.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6155055 - 10/10/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Or does your definition of "peace" include the Soviet invasions of Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan, the Soviet "intervention" in Hungary during the 1956 riots, pan-Arab military involvement in the Yemeni civil war. Or, how about Soviet support which made both the Suez War and the 6-day war possible?

There was also the Sino-Indian war, the Sino-Vietnamese war, the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, and the Iraq-Iran war.

Then there's the American side, the Vietnam War, the invasions of Panama and Grenada. Plus the funding of insurgencies and counter-insurgencies by all sides in South America, Malaysia, Indonesia, Laos, etc. et al.

If you're somehow able to prove that the 16 years after the fall of the Soviet Union were "less peaceful" than any 16 years during the Cold War, I'd love to hear about it...




Their was no attempt at war with nations that had nukes.

If any of these countries that were warring had a nuke then there would have been a much greater chance for peace.

The idea of mutual destruction is a great deterrent for war.

If every country on the planet had a nuke and knew that their enemy had one too, then there would be a much greater chance for peace than their is now.


Do you honestly think that we would have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq if we knew that they had a nuke and might us it on us if we invaded them? I seriously doubt that we would be involved in a war now, if everyone had a nuke.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6155229 - 10/10/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

im glad they tested it, they should have the right to have the same weapons as we do. How do we expect to live and negotiate with them if we wont let them even be equals?

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6155291 - 10/10/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Their was no attempt at war with nations that had nukes.

If any of these countries that were warring had a nuke then there would have been a much greater chance for peace.



Yeah, I'm sorry but you're wrong:

India first tested a nuclear device in 1974. You can check it out if you don't believe me. (one source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/india/first-pix.htm )

Despite their demonstration of nuclear capabilities, this didn't stop Pakistan from attacking Indian military basess in the Siachen glacier in 1984 and again in 1987, nor did it stop the Pakistan from coming out in open support of the Kashmir militants in 1990.

Pakistan wouldn't develop its own capabilities until 1998.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6155575 - 10/10/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What you are talking about are the regular racial/religious skirmishes that occur every day in the middle-east. These people have been fighting amongst themselves for centuries. Nothing will stop that. Not even having a nuke, as your example clearly demonstrates. Neither India nor Pakistan, has actually used a nuke on the other. So where is the harm in them having a nuke?

Where is the harm in any nation owning nukes? If everyone has them then people are much less likely to use them.

If you really believe that having nukes is a bad thing........where is your evidence? Instead of just parroting "it's a bad thing" explain why it is bad. So far I have seen more evidence in support of nations having nukes than I have for nations not having them.

No nation has used a nuke to instigate war........ever.
They are used more now as a form of political chest-thumping, nothing more.

So please tell me why it is bad for a nation to have a nuke.


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    #6155591 - 10/10/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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im glad they tested it, they should have the right to have the same weapons as we do. How do we expect to live and negotiate with them if we wont let them even be equals?




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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Dfekt]
    #6155647 - 10/10/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If for one applaud the North Korean nuclear initiative. I love that India and Pakistan are complaining now that they have their nukes.


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    #6155761 - 10/10/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What you are talking about are the regular racial/religious skirmishes that occur every day in the middle-east. These people have been fighting amongst themselves for centuries. Nothing will stop that. Not even having a nuke, as your example clearly demonstrates.



But that is precisely why some nations should not be allowed to construct nuclear weapons: because they are determined to fight other nations and nothing will stop them.

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If you really believe that having nukes is a bad thing........where is your evidence? Instead of just parroting "it's a bad thing" explain why it is bad. So far I have seen more evidence in support of nations having nukes than I have for nations not having them.



It's hard to prove using nuclear weapons, because they are very expensive to develop, require specialized technology, etc. However, if nuclear weapons proliferate, the technology will inevitably develop further, and they will become cheaper and easier to build.

At which point they will become just another method of killing a lot of people very quickly. Just like chemical weapons.

We know that there are people in this world who are not afraid to use chemical weapons to kill a lot of people. Saddam Hussein, for example, wasn't afraid to deploy chemical weapons against both the Iranian army and his own people when he felt that a lot of them needed to be killed quickly. Prior to that we also know that chemical weapons were used during the holocaust, though that was more likely for secrecy rather than speed.

What's worse, the "major powers" of the world didn't come to an agreement *not* to use chemical weapons until after a devastating war in which they were deployed by all sides. The world cannot affor a devastating war where several new nuclear powers deploy weapons before later deciding that they're too dangerous to be used.

Similarly, a tyrant who wouldn't think twice about gassing his own people probably wouldn't think twice about deploying a tactical nuclear weapon against them, especially if global proliferation made the weapons cheap and readily available. Tyrants might come to believe that nothing would shock the populace into line faster than the knowledge that dissident villages will be vaporized.

Right now the lack of proliferation means that individual weapons are precious commodities, and should be treated as such, hence the non-history of their deployment. If proliferation continues, that can and will change.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6157008 - 10/11/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If three houses on your block suddenly bought a tank and placed it in their front yard. Then a week later claimed that no one else on the block could have a tank in their front yard.....wouldn't you want to have a tank also.......if for no other reason than to deter the other neighbors from attacking you?

This is no different than having a nuke..........no different at all.

Any nation with the ability to own a nuke (either from making it or buying it) should rightfully do so, with out any fear of retribution from other nations that already have them.

The hypocrisy of the American government is sometimes unbearable.
"We have a whole arsenal of nukes, but all you other nations cant have one cause we don't like the idea of being on equal ground."
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It is a nations right to have nukes if other nations have them also.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6157021 - 10/11/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

a tank, or a tank war can't destroy the whole planet. a nucleur war can.

i don't think any countries should have them, but there's really no choice anymore. if one country has them and no other country does, that country can pretty much take over the world.

if all countries have nukes, it only takes one psycho leader to start a nucleur war.

humans aren't responsible enough to have something of such immense power. it very well could be the death of us.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: nightkrawler]
    #6157062 - 10/11/06 03:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Guess what Nightkrawler....there is NOTHING you or any other person can do, to keep a nation from getting a nuke if they want one.....nothing what so ever.

I know if I was the leader of a nation, living near another nation that had nukes, then I would be doing everything in my power to get my hands on one too....regardless of what the U.S. thinks about it

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If every nation had a nuke of their own, then no one nation could have absolute power.

Many nations have nukes now, but no one is using them. Why is that? I will tell you, M.A.D.
Mutually Assured Destruction will keep the psycho leaders from using a nuke on their neighbors.

Nations don't want the nuke as a means of attack. They want them as a deterrent from being attacked

Why can't most people see this.

Oh yea I remember now......fear and ignorance.

I will ask this again.
If Afghanistan or Iraq had nukes, would America have been so quick to attack them?
I think not. Another plan would have been implemented. Invading them would have been the LAST option........not the first.

Nukes are the best deterrent for war the planet has and we don't want any one to have them.......
hmmmmm what does that tell you?


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Hanky]
    #6157170 - 10/11/06 06:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:lolz0rz:

It is easy to scare people into believing far fetched ideas thru the media isn't it.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6157189 - 10/11/06 06:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Some people.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6157357 - 10/11/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i fully realize that it's a deterent, but i think if they're sitting around for awhile, someone further on down the line is going to use one. maybe not in our lifetime, but i think it would be bound to happen.

maybe a certain country would sell one to a terrorist group. maybe a terrorist group would gain power in a certain country.

if you play with fire you get burned.

what it all comes down to is that niteowl, you basically have more faith in people than i do. i have faith in people as a whole, and even most individuals, but one or two individuals, or radical organizations, could fuck everything up for everybody if they have access to nukes.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6158534 - 10/11/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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If three houses on your block suddenly bought a tank and placed it in their front yard. Then a week later claimed that no one else on the block could have a tank in their front yard.....wouldn't you want to have a tank also.......if for no other reason than to deter the other neighbors from attacking you?

This is no different than having a nuke..........no different at all.



Except that this completely fails to address my argument about the proliferation of nuclear weapons leading to a reduction in their cost and an increase in their availability.

As I've already stated, chemical weapons are less expensive and more available than nuclear weapons, and yet share their attributes of causing widespread indiscriminant death and rendering land unusable. There are clear examples of leaders who have deployed chemical weapons, knowing full well the results of their deployment.

The only thing separating chemical weapons and nuclear weapons right now is the cost differential. Nuclear weapons are very expensive, chemical weapons are not. Proliferation of nuclear weapons has the capacity to change that.

Please address this point rather than arguing a tangent I didn't bring up in the first place.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6158985 - 10/11/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Except that this completely fails to address my argument about the proliferation of nuclear weapons leading to a reduction in their cost and an increase in their availability.




What does this have to do with anything? It is an inevitable fact that if one nation has a nuke then other nations will want on also. Trying to keep them away from nations that want one, will NOT work. They will continue to make efforts to get one, regardless of what America wants. Either by making their own or trying to buy one. It is just a matter of time before nations that want a nuke get a nuke.

This is a fact that most people don't want to accept.

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As I've already stated, chemical weapons are less expensive and more available than nuclear weapons, and yet share their attributes of causing widespread indiscriminant death and rendering land unusable. There are clear examples of leaders who have deployed chemical weapons, knowing full well the results of their deployment.

The only thing separating chemical weapons and nuclear weapons right now is the cost differential. Nuclear weapons are very expensive, chemical weapons are not. Proliferation of nuclear weapons has the capacity to change that.

Please address this point rather than arguing a tangent I didn't bring up in the first place.




Your point is moot.
It means nothing.

America should have thought more about the consequences of making (and then using) the bomb way back in the 1940's. They opened Pandoras Box and now it cant be closed again.

Trying to keep nukes to ourselves was the WORST idea since the creation of the nuke.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6159281 - 10/11/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So you are of the opinion that the US should do nothing to try and keep the costs of nuclear arms high?

When we think other things are dangerous (cigarettes, for example) we tax them to keep the cost high. Why shouldn't we do the same for nuclear weapons in order to keep the costs high and encourage responsibility?

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6161057 - 10/12/06 05:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You talk like America has the patent for nukes and the only way to get one is to bargain with the U.S.

Korea made a nuke without any assistance from the U.S.

How can America control the cost of nukes, on a global scale??????
They can't unless they start selling them. You are obviously against the U.S. selling nukes on the open market. So tell me Mr. Economist how is the U.S. supposed to keep the cost of nukes higher than they already are?


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6161076 - 10/12/06 05:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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When we think other things are dangerous (cigarettes, for example) we tax them to keep the cost high.  Why shouldn't we do the same for nuclear weapons in order to keep the costs high and encourage responsibility?





:blush: :blush: :frown: Oh dear. We are talking about a NUCLEAR BOMB, capable of destroying earth and all of life as we know it, not ciggarettes, capable of destroying an organism if used esxcessively over a long period of time.  :foreheadslap:  :crazy2:


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6161103 - 10/12/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What does this have to do with anything? It is an inevitable fact that if one nation has a nuke then other nations will want on also. Trying to keep them away from nations that want one, will NOT work.





If Al Quaida buys an Indonesian island, declares it a sovereign state and wants to buy five nukes, they should not be hindered in acquiring them?


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Asante]
    #6161109 - 10/12/06 06:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

How are you going to stop them?

We couldn't stop Korea from "acquiring" one.

America has to realize that it doesn't have the right to dictate policy to other nations.
This is what makes other nations hate America.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6161116 - 10/12/06 06:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

North Korea had to build one from scratch and then conduct a test. That gives the world ample warning.

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This is what makes other nations hate America.




That and economic vampirism. The WTC wasn't just chosen as a high profile target, but also because it is the symbol of american trade, which in many developing nations is percieved as inherently unjust.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Asante]
    #6161557 - 10/12/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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That and economic vampirism. The WTC wasn't just chosen as a high profile target, but also because it is the symbol of american trade, which in many developing nations is percieved as inherently unjust.




Exactly.

By bullying other nations with their military threats and economic power, pretty soon the whole world will be ready to go to war with America.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Asante]
    #6161565 - 10/12/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What does this have to do with anything? It is an inevitable fact that if one nation has a nuke then other nations will want on also. Trying to keep them away from nations that want one, will NOT work.





If Al Quaida buys an Indonesian island, declares it a sovereign state and wants to buy five nukes, they should not be hindered in acquiring them?




Well Al Quaida's intentions would be clear. N. Korea, little more blurry.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: barfightlard]
    #6161585 - 10/12/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

But if you're going to sell nukes on the open market (hi echelon!) it really has to be an OPEN market, or else you're selectively proliferating nukes like the USA did for Israel (woops did I say that?) which is even worse than enforcing nonproliferation.

Still, I want the american nukes out of my country and I want my government to contract Urenco to make us nukes of our own to fit on the tomahawks of the Dutch armed forces. We've got 2 tons of purified plutonium, cast us 250 plutonium pits :wink:

If you see what happened to most notably Iraq, then its very understandable why North Korea want nukes. If NK ever uses a nuke China will come barging in and spank its bare ass. North Korea built that nuke so that the USA will negotiate instead of directly launch a military campaign which leaves their land in chaos and ruins.

If NK doesn't end up using or losing their nukes and with them manages a diplomatic solution instead of a military one, I not just am understanding, but actually am in favor of them having nukes.


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Asante]
    #6161608 - 10/12/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I can understand NK wanting a nuke, but I don't think we would go over there unless we were directly attacked first. Vietname still is clear in many people's minds, and we don't want to be messing around in China's backyard without their permission.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6162569 - 10/12/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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How can America control the cost of nukes, on a global scale??????
They can't unless they start selling them. You are obviously against the U.S. selling nukes on the open market. So tell me Mr. Economist how is the U.S. supposed to keep the cost of nukes higher than they already are?



Clearly you don't follow the news...

America has obviously been VERY successful in keeping the cost of nuclear weapons high. Currently, the cost of developing a nuclear weapon includes international sanctions and a loss in political capital.

However, if America stopped trying, and those costs went away, nuclear weapons would proliferate, leading to increased availability and lowered costs. Furthermore, because nations don't want to risk sanctions and losses in political capital, they don't invest heavily in nuclear related industries, which has the effect of restricting supply and keeping monetary costs high as a result.

If America wants to keep nuclear weapons costs high (which, they obviously due because of the chemical weapons analogy which no one has refuted thus far), they just need to keep doing what they're already doing.

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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: Economist]
    #6162809 - 10/12/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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If America wants to keep nuclear weapons costs high (which, they obviously due because of the chemical weapons analogy which no one has refuted thus far), they just need to keep doing what they're already doing.




If America continues "doing what they're already doing", then it wont' be long before they have no supporters.........only enemies. Their policy didn't work against Korea. They have a nuke now despite Americas economic sanctions (bullying).

America needs to realize that it is not the ruler of the planet and can't dictate how other countries defend themselves. Which is why Korea wanted a nuke........to defend themselves from an American invasion.

{isn't it in their constitution "the right to bear arms"?......kinda hypocritical don't you think for them to tell other nations that they DON"T have the right to bear arms}





I will ask this question for the third time.......to anyone who dares to answer it.

Would America have been so quick to invade Afghanistan or Iraq if they knew that these countries had nukes?


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Re: North Korea tests nuclear weapon [Re: niteowl]
    #6162838 - 10/12/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

the US is just being racist. the north koreans wont kill us if we dont bother them.


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    #6162932 - 10/12/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not even touching this...

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    #6162954 - 10/12/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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    #6165104 - 10/13/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not even touching this...




Please touch it........pretty please.......I like it when you touch it. :grin:


I understand why you couldn't debate the issue, and decided to bow out of the discussion..........you have no real argument to back up your point of view.

Parroting what you hear on TV makes it hard to back up your position, because you really don''t understand why you believe it.


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