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beatings at Guantanamo Bay
    #6144967 - 10/08/06 12:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4242294.html

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Oct. 6, 2006, 10:00PM
Pentagon to probe Gitmo beatings claim

By THOMAS WATKINS Associated Press Writer
© 2006 The Associated Press

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. — The Pentagon said Friday that it will investigate a Marine's sworn statement that guards at Guantanamo Bay bragged about beating detainees and described it as a common practice.

The Marine, a paralegal who was at the U.S. Navy station in Cuba last month, alleges that several guards she talked to at the base club said they routinely hit detainees.

"From the whole conversation, I understood that striking detainees was a common practice," the sergeant wrote. "Everyone in the group laughed at the others' stories of beating detainees."

The woman's name was blacked out of a copy of a two-page affidavit provided to The Associated Press by a civilian defense attorney working with Lt. Col. Colby Vokey, the Marine Corps' defense coordinator for the Western United States and based at Camp Pendleton.

Vokey, who sent the statement Wednesday to the Inspector General at the Department of Defense, called for an investigation, saying the abuse alleged in the affidavit "is offensive and violates United States and international law."

Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Chito Peppler said defense officials "are reviewing this affidavit and will investigate these allegations fully." A call to the inspector general's office was not immediately returned

Navy Cmdr. Robert Durand, spokesman for the Joint Task Force that oversees detention facilities at Guantanamo, said the force "will participate fully with the inspector general to learn the facts of the matter and will take action where misconduct is discovered."

"Abuse or harassment of detainees in any form is not condoned or tolerated," Durand said.

Guantanamo Bay houses about 450 suspected members of al-Qaida and the Taliban. Human-rights groups have roundly criticized the Bush administration for detaining most without criminal charges, but U.S. officials have defended the detentions as necessary in the war on terrorism and say the detainees are treated humanely.

The Marine said in the sworn statement that she has been working at Marine Corps Base, Camp Pendleton in Southern California on a Guantanamo-related case, and was in Guantanamo from Sept. 20-27.

She said some Marines had invited her to the base club Sept. 23. She didn't see them but a group of at least 15 sailors invited her to join them. She said she spoke with the sailors for about an hour, during which she had one drink, and that the sailors did not appear drunk.

A 19-year-old sailor referred to only as Bo "told the other guards and me about him beating different detainees being held in the prison," the statement said.

"One such story Bo told involved him taking a detainee by the head and hitting the detainee's head into the cell door. Bo said that his actions were known by others," the statement said. The sailor said he was never punished.

Other guards "also told their own stories of abuse towards the detainees" that included hitting them, denying them water and "removing privileges for no reason."

"About 5 others in the group admitted hitting detainees" and that included "punching in the face," the affidavit said.

Guantanamo was internationally condemned shortly after it opened more than four years ago when pictures captured prisoners kneeling, shackled and being herded into wire cages. That was followed by reports of prisoner abuse, heavy-handed interrogations, hunger strikes and suicides.

Military investigators said in July 2005 they confirmed abusive and degrading treatment of a suspected terrorist at Guantanamo Bay that included forcing him to wear a bra, dance with another man and behave like a dog.

However, the chief investigator, Air Force Lt. Gen. Randall M. Schmidt, said "no torture occurred" during the interrogation of Mohamed al-Qahtani, a Saudi who was captured in December 2001 along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

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Associated Press Writer Robert Jablon in Los Angeles contributed to this report.





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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: Vvellum]
    #6145608 - 10/08/06 03:28 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

well, atleast they didnt try to sex0r little boys.

"the beating will continue until morale improves"


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6146072 - 10/08/06 10:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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well, atleast they didnt try to sex0r little boys.





Hell NO! They all over 18 ya buddy. Besides, we was just havin' a little fun with them. What the hell you care, they terrorists anyway!


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6146294 - 10/08/06 01:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

IT is not know if everyone of them is a terrorist. What a dumb thing to say.


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: barfightlard]
    #6146377 - 10/08/06 01:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

It's known they are all suspected terrorists.  We are just detaining them all long enough and giving proper encouragement until the ones that are admit it.  It might take some time but without due process we got all day...or all year...and the next year after that...

Why, don't you want to be protected from people that might be terrorists?  :tongue:


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: barfightlard]
    #6146379 - 10/08/06 01:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

when i was in the military, right around 02-03 i lived with the marines / special forces and navy. we were all in the same barracks, and I just remember hearing how all of my neighbors couldn't wait to go over to "gitmo, because you can beat the shit out of prisoners for fun there."

It was sad, but at the same time expected, so it felt normal to laugh about it, however I realize now the implications of what really happened - this was all before I knew what Gitmo was all about via the news / etc.


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6146387 - 10/08/06 01:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

So beating people who are "suspected" terrorists somehow makes me safe.  I'll have think about that one for awhile :rolleyes:

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/58256/CNN_Covers_New_Terror_Bill.html

Looks like you may be a terrorist now too, get ready for the beatings, so you can be protected from yourself while protecting other citizens. 

Soon to be the next definition for being a "Patriot"


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: barfightlard]
    #6146391 - 10/08/06 02:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Try this
http://patterico.com/2006/10/02/5156/pat...e-introduction/

Read all five parts, at your leisure. And remember, hearsay is bunk, both from the anonymous para-legal and Kotik. I send you to the horse's mouth.


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: barfightlard]
    #6146414 - 10/08/06 02:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.lyrics007.com/Michael%20Jackson%20Lyrics/Beat%20It%20Lyrics.html

They told him don't you ever come around here
Don't wanna see your face, you better disappear
The fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear
So beat it, just beat it

You better run, you better do what you can
Don't wanna see no blood, don't be a macho man
You wanna be tough, better do what you can
So beat it, but you wanna be bad

Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it

They're out to get you, better leave while you can
Don't wanna be a boy, you wanna be a man
You wanna stay alive, better do what you can
So beat it, just beat it

You have to show them that you're really not scared
You're playin' with your life, this ain't no truth or dare
They'll kick you, then they beat you,
Then they'll tell you it's fair
So beat it, but you wanna be bad



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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6149194 - 10/09/06 07:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Try this
http://patterico.com/2006/10/02/5156/pat...e-introduction/

Read all five parts, at your leisure.  And remember, hearsay is bunk, both from the anonymous para-legal and Kotik.  I send you to the horse's mouth.




:lol: so my own first hand experiences are bunk, compared to a blogger's interview.  Besides, isn't an interview just words / hearsay anyways?  :thumbdown:


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: Vvellum]
    #6149265 - 10/09/06 08:49 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i agree with you bio,i see no problem beating the enemy either


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: quiver]
    #6149269 - 10/09/06 08:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

in this case they are suspected enemy, big difference


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: barfightlard]
    #6149271 - 10/09/06 08:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:
says you


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: quiver]
    #6149276 - 10/09/06 08:58 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:stonedjerk:


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: barfightlard]
    #6152879 - 10/10/06 03:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

don't be offended man
it just sounded funny
why not call them our 'innocent,kind,giving,sharing,caring and loving suspected enemies'?


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Re: beatings at Guantanamo Bay [Re: quiver]
    #6153309 - 10/10/06 09:43 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

because that would be assuming


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