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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: mikeownow]
    #6145461 - 10/08/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure.  :confused:

I just know that everytime I do salvia, I get a weird body feeling that feels like every cell in my body is being ripped apart.

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: MOTH]
    #6145469 - 10/08/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yea it is all getting pulled all over every inch of you. Get up and walk around wile its happening its weird.

One time during my salvia trip I got up and then was sinking into the floor as I walked around and had to sit down and then a big transparent clock appeared and ticked backwards and then a green leaf floated in the air and dropped a drip of water and the water hit nothing and the air rippled.

Edit: also I have had similar visuals of this on weed but not as vibrant as a salvia trip.


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Edited by mikeownow (10/08/06 12:44 AM)

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: mikeownow]
    #6145635 - 10/08/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Mike, do you really have to be-little cpw1971's posts so much, when all he is posting is his experiences from his perspective...?

And then you post the very abstract experience you had and think its any better?

Chill out a bit mate.  :rolleyes:

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: _OttO_]
    #6145644 - 10/08/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am pretty sure that he was trying to tell me that he takes salvia and crosses into another real existing dimension when I am up to date on the other existing dimension theory's which are a lot more concrete then I took salvia and actually went to the other dimensions through my doughnut hole. My friend used to do all that and it drove me crazy and cpw1971's was giveing me terrible flash backs.


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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: cpw1971]
    #6145801 - 10/08/06 03:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

cpw1971 said:
about 20 minutes
btw I have some methods I have been perfecting and working with the past 4 years and it gets better and better
first dont do it to "trip" its more of a spiritual journey if done right
people that do it to trip have no idea what they are in for and get the crap scared out of them
to do it right you must lay back in silence, close eyes, relax and let the Salvia work its magic
it will pop you out of your body and into other dimensions
you may get stuck in the inbetween dimensions where the fabric of reality folds over dont panic youll get used to it
also it took me a few years to get past the ego loss that happens
because when the reality folds over its like the world is ending and it can be scary
I will post more later :-)




That is probably the best description of my experiences that I've ever heard!


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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: sacred_mushroom]
    #6146038 - 10/08/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

thanks sacred,
mike,
I have had plenty of different experiences that were different in many ways. I have had the ones where I stand up and everything around me closes in on me and its like I am trapped and stuck. I have had the gravitational pulls, I have seen the black voids when this reality flattened out like a painting. I have met othger beings. But it took me a long time to figure out what exactly happens and I was trying to explain it to others. I have had a lot of people try some of my methods at my house and they always have a breakthrough and love it. I have seen people smoke that had no idea and they tried to stand up and freaked out. I am just trying to help. If you got a problem with it dont read it. Go back to your materialistic bullshit.
btw the itchy skin I meant happened whenever I used Salvia but can last a few days or so after but after a year or so the itch just went away .

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: cpw1971]
    #6146153 - 10/08/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think one needs to watch things arise and pass away.
with salvia you get quite a long (psychic motorboat) wake from each sensation including the sense of who you have just been (still thinking and breathing shadow selves), and the view you had before you turned (360 degree vision).

watching things arise and fade away provides a heathy context for integration, and tolerance of others' ideas.

every thing is happenning in idea space - salvia land, and anythng you think of becomes true til it fades.


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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6146173 - 10/08/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Does anyone have a problem with drooling and laughing too much on the high extracts? I drooled on myself and laughed for 5 minutes, while I popped in and out of different dimensions...

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: Maverick]
    #6146174 - 10/08/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have no problem with you doing that, do you?


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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6146179 - 10/08/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

cool red
I know what you mean. What I have been trying to explain was not the other dimensions themselves but what you experience when you "breakthrough". It took me many times of going back and saying to myself "oh yeah this is what happens". Most of the time though that memory fades away with the experience.
I believe everyone will always have different experiences but the thing is I know there are two ways to go about it. One is to relax and let go of everything "ego loss" and the other is to fight it. Tried both ways and found out the best way is to let go.
one more thing for Mike
if Salvia is just another "drug" then I know of another drug very similar and that is DMT. Well it is naturally formed in the brain and without it you wouldnt be alive. So according to your reasoning you have been on "drugs" all your life and so has everyone else.

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: mikeownow]
    #6146207 - 10/08/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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mikeownow said:
I know people on here like to think of psycadelics not as drugs but they are.




I understand why you'd dislike people who jump off the deep-end into psychadelic mysticism and attach all kinds of wishful Christian-salvation-type ideas to their experiences, but that's not what's happening here. cpw1971 is just attempting to communicate his experiences and perceptions with a decrepit language system called "words."

You have to be careful not to put down drugs as being superficial and extraneous information on top of 'reality', because that implies both an objective reality and an ego, both of which are creations of emotional and survival needs.

Someone who has a genuine mystical experience absolutely knows that to think of psychoactives as just turning a few dials in your brain and "confusing it" into new states is completely ridiculous and that this is merely the chatter of minds still secretly scared by existence.


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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: tools_n_corpses]
    #6146247 - 10/08/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well said tools :-)
the guy that discovered the dna double helix was on lsd at the time and he won a Nobel Prize.
the Earth is round
tomatoes are edible
some Ideas sound absoloutely absurd sometimes to people but these ideas arent always wrong. sure some can be wrong but without ideas we wouldnt be where we are today

my donut theory takes bits from Quantum Physics, Superstring Theory, Holographic Universe, Seth material by Jane Roberts and others. I could be wrong who knows. I could be right also

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: cpw1971]
    #6146433 - 10/08/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting discussion going on here.

Well I tried the 20x again last night, hoping to have better results. What I met with was very difficult and frightening. I will write a trip report of it when I get back from work this evening. I suppose I will write it in this thread. While the experience was scary, I think it was still important to have. Hopefully I can use the knowledge from it to travel more safely in that dimension next time. ... I just wish the body feeling weren't so terrible.


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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: matchbook]
    #6146513 - 10/08/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yep the body feeling is wierd but can also be very nice if you relax
and yes tere can be scary things in the other dimensions. I always tell myself not to worry and I would be fine. When I am experiencing it though I am just there and am beyond the ego loss and therefore dont feel fear.
Hopefully you will get something out of what I have been saying though and you will be traveling the Salvia dimensions more freely because of it :-).

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: Maverick]
    #6146730 - 10/08/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Does anyone have a problem with drooling and laughing too much on the high extracts? I drooled on myself and laughed for 5 minutes, while I popped in and out of different dimensions...




Pretty much anyone I've seen use Salvia will drool on themselves and laugh hysterically, it's no biggy.

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: Omnicow]
    #6146753 - 10/08/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What I don't understand is how come when I smoke salvia I always trip but sometimes someone will smoke it and say nothing happened.

This has also happened with shrooms befor. 25 wet grams of psylo cyans and so did someone ells and I triped and my friend only got a body high.

Are there people who just are not effected by psycadelics?


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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: mikeownow]
    #6146776 - 10/08/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Gave a newbie friend some salvia after giving him a thourough explanaition 3 nights ago:

He gets up, lifts his chair up for a second, then just starts saying
"yes! this is the best feeling!"
"this is the best feeling!"

It was funny, and cool, to see such an unusual reaction to salvia.


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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: mikeownow]
    #6146801 - 10/08/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What I don't understand is how come when I smoke salvia I always trip but sometimes someone will smoke it and say nothing happened.

This has also happened with shrooms befor. 25 wet grams of psylo cyans and so did someone ells and I triped and my friend only got a body high.

Are there people who just are not effected by psycadelics?




Up until this past weekend I tried to trip three times. Once about 3 grams, once about 5 grams, then once an entire quarter (7 grams). The first time I got almost nothing. I felt a little something for about 30 minutes. The second time I got a good body buzz, really laughy, like I was very stoned, but no visuals or anything. The third time, I sort of tripped for a while. Stuff was slightly wavy from time to time, no serious visuals though, mostly just that shroomy introspection that happens. This last time however, I only ate 3.5 grams, but my buddy suggested that I dont eat at all for a day before I trip. That made all the difference. This last trip was beyond amazing, I felt like I was just seeing the world for the first time. The colors were the best part. The reds and purples in nature were just breathtaking. The weird thing is, all this stuff was there in real life, but I was seeing it in an entirely new way. I could also see waves of light flowing through every living thing, and the trees in the woods made a tunnel into infinity, with the grass like an ocean, waving us inward. For a moment we watched TV and the cheesy graphics in the political ads were actually bad ass for once, they were popping right out of the screen! If they could make those graphics look the way we saw them, then they might actually get someone's attention. LOL.

What I'm trying to say is that if you have a friend who thinks they're 'immune' to shrooms, have them fast for the whole day, maybe eat one little bitty thing for breakfast, and then eat the shrooms around say... 5 o'clock. That's when we ate them. I didn't get hungry again either until after my trip was done. Then around midnight I totally stuffed my face with everything I could find :smile:

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: Omnicow]
    #6148036 - 10/08/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Omnicow,
yeah he was talking about Salvia but as for shrooms.....
if you find you arent feeling anything from them you may want to try vitamins. Different stuff such as alcohol use up the vitamins in the brain. So does tripping and thats why the day after tripping it is harder to feel anything off the same dose. A few months ago someone I know took some torch cactus and he wasnt feeling it 5 hours later and I had him take vitamins and he started tripping 15 minutes later and stayed up all night.
Mike,
Yeah I have seen a few people not affected whatsoever from it. I find if people dont get any gravitational pulls or skin tingles the first try then they might not ever feel anything. They say one out of ten people wont feel it. Something with how thier brain is wired.

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Re: I'm on Salvia...this is messed UP [Re: cpw1971]
    #6149570 - 10/09/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i've tried salvia once or twice, didn't really enjoy it. the majority of the experience was just paranoia and wondering if i was experiencing something or imagining all of it. i felt like i was sinking into the corner or the room and it was kind of the opposite of fish eye's view. wasn't worth the effect to me though.


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