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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: baycafe]
    #6141166 - 10/06/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6141173 - 10/06/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

oh...I should mention some of these are normal cyanescens in the above photos...all these was in the same area...you had cyans on one side of a long burm in front of a 5 star hotel, then at the end a bunch of these friscosas..pretty much the same long patch here


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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: CptnGarden]
    #6141523 - 10/06/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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i think they are called friscosa cause they are found around san fransisco california. thats not a fact just a guess. the bay area here is loaded with actives.




'friscosa' is just a slang...Somebody made up the name last year and it stuck...they did it here on this board too..you might be able to find it in the archives.

As far as we know these have never been seen outside of California..They've been spotted in Sacramento, but that's about as far away from San Francisco I heard of. And some of those in the photo are a little dry, as in not soaking wet right after a rain...That's just because of a full day of low humidity between storms, and a little windy. They turn lighter on color just like cyans do (hygrophanous)...They are a little bit more brittle than cyans tho, especially around the cap..they don't bend quite as far as cyans do at the same moisture level...Not as rubbbery as cyans..not as dense...but they certainly get bigger...like tens times as big with the same potency...Bigger than some cubensis I've seen with twice the potency

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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6141541 - 10/06/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6141574 - 10/06/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6141667 - 10/06/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6142072 - 10/06/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6143151 - 10/07/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Im sorry but who ever wrote this doesnt really know what they are talking about:
'Guzman has seen a collection that I've sent him - he identifies it as Psilocybe cyanescens, but I'm not so sure. I'm doing work on this group for my California monograph. I think the California "cyanofibrillosa" is a distinct species, but on the other hand, I see a range of gradation between P. cyanescens and "cyanofriscoa", which implies that they might be crossing with each other, which would make them the same biological species. (Note that interfertility between P. azurescens and P. cyanescens has also been demonstrated.)

My schedule for publishing my California monograph won't be until next year, so unless there's a delay in Guzman's finishing his world monograph, a lot of my findings won't be incorporated into that work. (Since I've done lots of in-depth study of California Psilocybe populations that Guzman isn't able to do - which would be true of anybody writing a regional monograph as opposed to a world one - the information in my monograph will not be redundant.) Its to be expected, though, that there will continue to be ongoing work on the genus and lots of name changes, even after Guzman publishes his monograph.

Peter ' <quote

This? why would that be inaccurate....Peter's statement seems exactly like what they are doing. They very often appear among cyanescens patches. For a long time I thought they were mutating from cyanescens because whenever you find these friscosas, you can usually find cyanescens nearby, and many times they grow in the same patch.(peter doesn't seem to go with the 'mutation' theory. I guess that implies some sort of biological mistake) They are closest to cyanesens, but they are obviously different. I have heard Peter say that cyanescens and azurescens can cross breed. I've only seen one patch here in the bay Area and that still hasn't been confirmed if it is azures or not. But they have been transplanted down here. I know he's done this in the lab, so if he says it's possible, I believe him, hard as it is to imagine. I can say just from experience that while it might be possible to have interfertilty between cyanescens and azurescens, it's very unlikely in the wild, and it is alot more likely with cyanescens and friscosas. That's just from the sheer number of cases where they grow near each other

These could be called cyanofibrilosa, but that would have to be distinct from the washington variety if they are called that. There's certainly enough distinction not to call them cyanescens, but they do seem to cross breed with cyanescens, which would make them cyanescens.

As far as I know they can't answer this yet. Why do they aften grow among cyanescens? or if they don't why is there usually cyanescens within 20 feet?. They very well could be cyanescens under the current defenition. peter is right to try and do a regional monograph. i hope he keeps doing it because this is regional, Bay Area and San Francisco only. They may look alot like some species in other parts of the world, but they definately seem to be some sort of sattelite function of cyanescens. why?

You have to live here to answer that. Habit and habitat can be just as important as a microscope, especially in this case

In any case, there's always going to be disagreement with any new species that appears and hasn't yet been properly named. It has to go back and forth among the peers until there's an agreement.

This year could be very interesting because transplants and out door test patches will fruit for the first time, so we might be able to study this better under specific conditions

Until then, we can always take more photos keep looking. The more we find of this mystery, the better it gets


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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: SweetLeaf]
    #6143487 - 10/07/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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In my opinion, they really just look like Ps. cyanfibrilosa. The picture where you compare the large woodlovers to the known cyanescens also just look like cyanescens. I have seen them get that large on multiple occasions.

I believe in post #6141677 that those are just simply cyanfibrilosa's.




Yeah, they could very well be cyanofibrillosas. people have been calling them fibs for a few years now. the only problem is that in washington it's well reported that fibs lose their potency after drying...like more than 50%

The ones here don't do that..they retain most of the potency after drying, just like cyans


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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6143497 - 10/07/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

also, I might be wrong, but I think I recall peter Werner saying that under a microscope, these look closer to cyans than fibrillosa


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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #6144803 - 10/07/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6144932 - 10/07/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

here's another example in photos >>>





would you confuse these two types? If they are both cyanescens, then why do people reject the bottom photo ones, saying they are no good, and go for the top photo?. I have seen even smaller variations between an edible and a deadly poisonous type (not just a different species, but a different genus), so this is potentially dangerous.

the bay Area location is key for one thing..there's a famous ongoing story here every year about people from Vietnam, Loas, etc who get poisoned by Deathcap amanitas evey year...They confuse it with an edible fro SE Asia that looks very similar to the Ammanita Pantherina here...Even more similar than the differnce between these two photos

yes, there is plenty of confusion about this new species, therefore this thread was started. For one thing, I never saw the ones in the bottom photo before maybe 6 years ago, and I've been picking cyans for 24 years.

in the past it was all cyanescens here in San Francisco, and pretty much that was the only thing in town...Then about 6 years ago, the turn of the century, this appeared


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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #6153234 - 10/10/06 07:02 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

just from looking at the photos, those P Australiana look fairly close to cyanescens, but none of the other ones, including the Ps.subaeruginosa look like these new ones here in the Bay Area..

most of the time, these friscosas are short and squat..less than one inch stem..Sometimes barely even that, with a huge cap that hovers just above the ground. Hopefully peter can get a nice micro photo this year.

I was hoping to get a 6mp camera this year, but maybe not. Still, more photos always helps


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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: WaylitJim]
    #6153886 - 10/10/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

egads, Waylit, those look an awful lot like those yellow Stropharias so common toawrd the end of last year along the freeways in the Bay Area

is that the first fruit. Have you actually tried one of these yet?


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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: WaylitJim]
    #6154305 - 10/10/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, the cap color above look about right..and the second photo in the first post looks closer, but all the other ones, it's the shape that seems off. Stems much longer than normal, but I bet this is because it's very sheltered in your spot, like no wind. And that might account for the fuzziness around the stem, which I've never seen in the wild.

seems sort of like an albino type friscosa maybe, because if it's new home nearly indoors?. I mean, I've seen albino cyans and friscosas before. much blonder than normal, but that's usually because of an odd substrate


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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6154425 - 10/10/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

These Stropharias is what I meant...probably ambiguas too, but most of these don't have that veil..Some do, but most don't around here.

But you can sort of see, how the difference between these Stropharias, the wild friscosa photos from last year, and your photos is getting a little tougher




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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: auweia]
    #6154466 - 10/10/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

oops sorry..here's two more, stropharia >

friscosa >


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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: Purple_spore]
    #6251709 - 11/05/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

wow, this brings back memories...No that's not Treasure Island, but decent guess if you're not from here..teasure island is east of SF...this is south looking north...That's Mt San Bruno in the background and SF beyond it.

never found any cyans in the area, but ya never know..that would be neat to get a cyan shot like that someday  :smile:

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Re: Psilocybe Friscosa thread [Re: thetonebone72]
    #6251782 - 11/05/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

hehe.....it's all messed up and scattered around....I know there's photos around....I have trouble finding my own photos sometimes now.

poor nickname is getting all beat up now...Some folks here in SF break out in hives when they hear 'frisco'...never bothered me too much


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