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Many exploded grains after PCing, ok?
    #6136073 - 10/05/06 02:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'm fairly new to using grain and I recently PCed a few jars of WBS.
The WBS was soaked over night with a little lime in a pan and simmered for 25 minutes. The simmered grain contained a small number of expoloded grains.
I then PCed the jars for an hour and when I took them out I noticed lots of exploded grains, but separated easily upon shaking. Should I still inoculate these jars?


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: elemental762]
    #6136094 - 10/05/06 02:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I think I read that your not suppose to soak them too long because they will explode when you cook em and not to use exploded grain. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'd nock it up anyway simply cause i never worked with grain.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: 5t3v3]
    #6136128 - 10/05/06 02:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I have the same question kinda. My rye sprouted while soaking. Been soaking it for 23 hours, almost the 24 hour mark. Is this going to be ok to use and simmer and go all the way with. Only a few sprouted, and most came to the top so I just dumped some of the water out.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: funnyfeeling]
    #6136252 - 10/05/06 02:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

elemental762 : yah its fine. if they shake then you have no problem

funnyfeeling : you are also fine. remove the sprouted ones if you can but they shouldnt be an issue.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: waixingren]
    #6136270 - 10/05/06 02:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks much.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: funnyfeeling]
    #6137056 - 10/05/06 07:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Exploded grains are detrimental to mycelial growth.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: hyphae]
    #6137174 - 10/05/06 08:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Could you elaborate? I have seen little difference in my jars with excessive exploded kernals as long as I rinse them well before packing in the jars. And I mean WELL.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: elemental762]
    #6137188 - 10/05/06 08:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Exploded grains are not harmful to growth in my experience, and I've had plenty of them. Detrimental? I'm disagreeing.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: Holydiver]
    #6137323 - 10/05/06 08:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks to all for the reponses.

I used hot water when I soaked them, so I'm thinking this encouraged the explosions when I PCed. I rinsed after I soaked them and after I simmered them. After smmering I let them drain for 30mins. But, again, they do break up easily when I shook them after PCing.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: elemental762]
    #6137488 - 10/05/06 09:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

OK FYI exploded grains IMO is nothing more than an expansion of the  PFTek. Now lets look at why grains explode in the first place taken directly from TMC:
The amount of water added to the grain is an important factor contributing to the reproduction of contaminants. Excessive water in a spawn jar favors the growth of bacteria and other competitors. In wet grain the mushroom mycelium grows denser and slower. Over saturated grain kernels explode during the sterilization process, and with their interiors exposed, the grain is even more susceptible to contamination. In addition, wet grain permeated with mycelium is difficult to break up into individual kernels. When such grain comes in contact with a non-sterile medium such as casing soil or compost, it frequently becomes contaminated. Spawn made with a balanced moisture content has none of these problems It easily breaks apart into individual mycelium covered kernels, insuring a maximum number of inoculation points from which mycelial strands can emerge.
Live and learn guys experience is your best teacher! Get it right and success will come naturally as well as consistantly. :wink:


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: hyphae]
    #6137565 - 10/05/06 10:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

In my experience, rye seeds which have just barely popped- but have not become mushy, and stay individual well- demonstrate the fastest growth.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: hyphae]
    #6137572 - 10/05/06 10:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Hyphae is right.

My B+ was inoculated onto 60%-70% exploded grains. Growth was fast with LC, but the growth was THICK and dense. When it came time to spawn, I cut myself a few times with a butterknife trying to break the grains apart. It was absolutely like stabbing at putty, something I did not experiencewith my previous WBS spawn with 5% exploded grains.

I'm not sure if it will contam easier, it's on day 2 of colonizing in my closet, but I sure as hell hope it doesn't.

I learned the hard way.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: hyphae]
    #6137574 - 10/05/06 10:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Should I soak the WBS in cold water, simmer, and PC? Or, just soak and PC, without simmering?
When I simmered before it was done on low temp and very few exploded, maybe they weren't drained thoughly after simmering?

I'm full of questions it seems.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: elemental762]
    #6137587 - 10/05/06 10:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Follow agars WBS tek it worked flawlessly for me for roughly 300lbs. of WBS.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: elemental762]
    #6137588 - 10/05/06 10:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think simmering is neccessary. At least I won't be doing it anymore. I am just pouring hot water on my grains now, and then letting it sit for 24h.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: zathan]
    #6137873 - 10/05/06 11:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

IMO I'd agree that simmering post soak for wbs to be unnecessary. During a 24h soak it would be obtaining at least a close enough moisture content for decent mycellial growth. All I could really see it doing is softening the outer shell of the grains which would risk excess water absorbtion; as well, I could see it leeching out a greater amount of nutrients into the water used for simmering.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: Millencolin]
    #6138285 - 10/06/06 01:24 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Just soak your wbs grain for 24 hours and then drain for a couple of hours well in a collander. Simmering your grains is a mis-step IMO. With grass seeds simply use 1.5 cups of dry seed to 3/4 of a cup of gypsum'd or limed water per quart jar and pc for 60 minutes @ 15psi. The grass seed turns out perfect. After the grass seed jars are cool to the touch, simply bang them against your palm and swirl them well to break the seeds up and to disperse the moisture throughout the seeds. A couple of clumps in the jars won't kill you. As far as the amount of gypsum or lime to be added to the water, just a tiny pinch in between you finger tips per jar does the trick to prevent mass clumpage.


Edited by Hotnuts (10/06/06 01:48 AM)


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: Hotnuts]
    #6138392 - 10/06/06 01:52 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

2 parts of grass seed to 1 part of gypsum'd or limed water is the ratio no matter the size of container to be pc'd.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: Hotnuts]
    #6139633 - 10/06/06 09:44 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks to all!

My WBS has cracked corn in it and I have read this causes some minor issues so I'm going to look for other WBS today.
Hotnut: You answered another one of my questions before I asked it. I was wondering how much gypsum to put in each jar. Thanks dude.


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Re: Many exploded grains after PCing, ok? [Re: elemental762]
    #6139671 - 10/06/06 10:07 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

A pinch between the thumb and forefinger of gypsum per jar is good. I hate burst kernels. They slow down colonization and release starches, which cause problems later. Slow hydration is the key. I get very few burst kernels after a 24 hour soak.
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