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InvisibleDNKYD
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Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree
    #6128586 - 10/03/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A group of jackasses from a Muslim youth group called the United Islam Youth attack a 100 year old Banyan tree to prove it doesn't have "mystical powers". What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Couldn't they use logic, reasoning, and some scientific evidence to disprove any "mystical powers"? There's just no end to the ignorance in the world.
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JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesian police have slapped a cordon around a huge landmark Banyan tree in the capital after members of a Muslim youth group attacked it to prove it had no special mystical powers.

The governor of Jakarta filed a complaint with police after youths hacked and damaged the 100-year-old banyan, on a traffic island in the capital, in a bid to dispel rumors the tree harbored special powers.

"The city government tried hard not to cut the tree when we built a new bus lane. It is more than 100 years old and it is important for the environment," said Susi Marsitawati of Jakarta's park agency.

"But later rumors spread that the government was unable to fell the tree because it has supernatural powers and is sacred," the official said, adding that Jakarta Governor Sutiyoso had filed a complaint with police.

Indonesia is predominantly Muslim, but a strong mystical vein runs through the culture. Whatever their faith, many display a deeply spiritual attitude and follow animist beliefs and various superstitions.

Jeje Zainudin, chairman of the United Islam Youth, said the group had carried out the attack to counter superstitions surrounding the tree.

"It is not a matter of chopping down the tree but this is to counter a popular belief such as if (we) touch it, (we) will get sick or your cleaver will break."

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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6128591 - 10/03/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Seems like youth groups have changed alot since i was in them...

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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6128716 - 10/03/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe they should be sent to Jesus Camp for re-education.  :laugh:


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6129963 - 10/03/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The best part of the story is that they couldn't chop it down, lol


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6129981 - 10/03/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's like this one time these jackasses in Jerusalem were so upset that this hippy was going around telling everyone he was the son of God that they got the authorities to nail him to a tree, just to prove that he was nothing special.

That sure ended everyone's faith in that hippy...

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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6130020 - 10/03/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What the fuck is wrong with these people?




I remember a "Mary" sighting that was made of water stains on concrete. Some punk vandals covered it with grafiti. The same thing is wrong with each of these groups...lack of respect for others, no matter how ridiculous their target is.

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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6130073 - 10/03/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Indonesian police have slapped a cordon around a huge landmark Banyan tree in the capital after members of a Muslim youth group attacked it to prove it had no special mystical powers.





The tree decided a police cordon would do, its obviously still standing :smirk:


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6131328 - 10/04/06 04:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

... and yet I am supposed to tiptoe around so that I don't accidently offend Islam.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6131785 - 10/04/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We should let more of these people into our countries!


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6131789 - 10/04/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Funny story.

What a bunch of crack-pots...

Although I dont think the people who believe a Banyan Tree has mystical powers are any less of crack-pots...


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6132402 - 10/04/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i guess now even trees have to watch themselves, lest they insult islam.


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #6133017 - 10/04/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
Funny story.

What a bunch of crack-pots...

Although I dont think the people who believe a Banyan Tree has mystical powers are any less of crack-pots...




I think they're both idiots.


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Basilides]
    #6133316 - 10/04/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
Funny story.

What a bunch of crack-pots...

Although I dont think the people who believe a Banyan Tree has mystical powers are any less of crack-pots...




I think they're both idiots.



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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6133585 - 10/04/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

there are all kinds of little local legends everywhere around the world. (haven't you ever seen any of the books by these people?) playing along with local lore doesn't make people crackpots. feeling threatened by it does. it would be like if we had wacko fundamentalists trying to cut down the devil's tree in god's name.


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: wilshire]
    #6133696 - 10/04/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Way to go Islamic wackjobs. Its ok to chop on some 100 year old tree that cant be replanted but heaven forbid someone do something disgraceful to the Koran that can be reprinted. Religious extremists will be the downfall of the world.

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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Shrm420]
    #6133892 - 10/04/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

my main wonder is what lets say that tree contained cancering curing chemicals in it, is it still a mystical healing tree? cuz when i think of mystical i think of things that are not possible that somehow under crazy magical circumstances become possible. so really once a mystical act is happening then its no longer mystical.

anyways, lets say after trying to cut down that tree the muslims failed. and then conceted it had mystical powers...does that mean that will convert worshiping mystical trees?


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: guri]
    #6135756 - 10/05/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Who cares what they claimed the tree to be. Billions believe some guy resurrected and floated into heaven.

There was no reason to cut down this tree, which a peaceful people believed had powers. There is no justification by saying they are both crazy.


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6136079 - 10/05/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

But if they wanted to cut it down, we'd better appease them and allow it right? Otherwise they might become violent and hurt someone, and when it comes down to it, safety is the most important thing.

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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6136146 - 10/05/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
Who cares what they claimed the tree to be. Billions believe some guy resurrected and floated into heaven.

There was no reason to cut down this tree, which a peaceful people believed had powers. There is no justification by saying they are both crazy.




No, I'm pretty sure they're both crazy.


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Viveka]
    #6136182 - 10/05/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Viveka said:
But if they wanted to cut it down, we'd better appease them and allow it right? Otherwise they might become violent and hurt someone, and when it comes down to it, safety is the most important thing.




You are comparing a pointless cartoon, offending people for no reason, and a peoples sacred beliefs. One is worth standing up for, more than the other IMO.

I am assuming this was your reference.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Basilides]
    #6136187 - 10/05/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Quote:

alpharedecho said:
Who cares what they claimed the tree to be. Billions believe some guy resurrected and floated into heaven.

There was no reason to cut down this tree, which a peaceful people believed had powers. There is no justification by saying they are both crazy.




No, I'm pretty sure they're both crazy.




If you say so.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6136650 - 10/05/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Free speech is just as worth standing up for as is some nutty people's belief in a divine tree. Actually, it's much more important.

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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6137216 - 10/05/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Muslim youth group called the United Islam Youth attack a 100 year old Banyan tree to prove it doesn't have "mystical powers"

Not unlike the Taliban when they were in power in Afghanistan destroying archaeologically priceless statues of the Buddha, many predating Islam.

Mysticism and religion will be the world's undoing.


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: Diploid]
    #6137230 - 10/05/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The Taliban taking down Buddha was was just religion taking a shot at mysticism.


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Re: Muslim youth group attacks 100 year old "mystical" tree [Re: DNKYD]
    #6140546 - 10/06/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There was a drug that can get you high in that tree. Quick! Everyone flip out and complain that they are trying to take your drugs away!

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