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Golden teachers didn't teach!
    #6124863 - 10/02/06 05:13 PM (15 years, 18 days ago)

I've had quite alot of experience in cube cultivation, and was completely sold on the Cambodian strain. Out of curiosity I tried a batch of Golden Teachers. I use agar, isolate healthy strains and fruit on hpoo/straw. The golden teachers grew beautifully and fruited like no other, with tremendous yield. However, when harvested they didn't turn blue like the Cambodians, and 75% of them didn't even sporulate, so they had a white underside of the cap. After conducting trials of them, they were also void of magic!! Just curious if anyone has had the same experience. Had to scrap the whole lot of them, cuz nobody wants them.
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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: NuKe_HaDer]
    #6124973 - 10/02/06 05:48 PM (15 years, 18 days ago)

when i did golden teachers on cakes...they were still pretty potent..

i mean...it is a cubensis strain after all....it is guaranteed to have the psylocybin and psylocin.... oh...and bluing is not a true indication of potency

i think ive read somewhere that strains may become weaker the more a strain is domesticated....


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: BIGSWANG]
    #6126493 - 10/02/06 11:37 PM (15 years, 18 days ago)

Interesting though...The spores came from a reputable vendor. I've come to a couple of conclusions, though... Spores are old - however my cambodian spores are the same age as these golden teachers..... or I've isolated a type of mycelia sterilia..... also hard to imagine as I fruited several isolates of the multispore all with the same results. Oh well, probably will trash the GT syringes.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: NuKe_HaDer]
    #6126746 - 10/03/06 12:33 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

poor genetic substrain?


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: CantiSama]
    #6126835 - 10/03/06 12:53 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

seems you had the same experience as me. colonization was average in jars, semi fast to hpoo/straw, weak potency, good yield. also alot of them didnt turn blue. this was my first grow. i grew like 5 strains and the only one i didnt grow on hpoo was treasure coast and it was the MOST potent by FAR. you had to eat like 3x+ the ammount of GT to get on the level.

after growing out all the strains i went back to the same sponsor where i got my TC spores. The Hawks Eye. Did the buy 3 get one free. All treasure coast. Have about 40 jars and my tennstud is on the way. i would say give them a try if youre gona grow cubes again.

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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: CantiSama]
    #6126853 - 10/03/06 12:59 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

spore age should only affect viabilty of the spores not potency of the finished fruit

potency would be a product of genetics or environment i think


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: nhdjoseywales]
    #6126897 - 10/03/06 01:09 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

i grew several strains at the same time. all same enviroment. grew multiple tubs of the same strain and then more of the same strain from a diff vendor.

gt always let me down as far as potency. from each vendor. maybe some strains do better in my conditions???

B+ was def an explosion of thoughts in my brain. absolute crazyness. didnt get much of any visuals though. heres my first grow again but B+ none cased.



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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: rackemwillie]
    #6127291 - 10/03/06 03:38 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

I cycled through a bunch of strains, too. GT has always been one of my favs and never got any complaints. I've settled on b+ and GT for my two strains for over a year. It's also the stuff I eat. I can't speak about poo grows, but on rye, they are just as good as any other. At least for me, they are.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: Sam1912]
    #6127360 - 10/03/06 05:17 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

when you did a strain isolation it is not guaranteed to be good genetics. it may not even fruit.in all the teks i have read it says when you are going to isolate a strain inoculate a few jars with agar wedges and keep a master culture and grow a cycle out and see how they are and if they are potent.

so i am going to have to agree it is bad genetics


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: royer]
    #6127407 - 10/03/06 06:58 AM (15 years, 17 days ago)

wow Ive come to think that i wasn't the only one, i have always cultivated liberty caps and De Burro, i recently decided to go with the golden teacher and i noticed that it wasn't very much potent, it stains very blue and grow a pretty good size but for some reason try just dint hit any one wtf? is it possible or vendors to sell weak spores or even take out the potency? or is a golden teacher always potent? i am a master cultivator for several edible mushrooms too and it got me for a surprise that these had many many pins that didn't go any where.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: merge_oners]
    #6127426 - 10/03/06 07:26 AM (15 years, 17 days ago)

If you want to determine the nature vs nurture factor, clone one of the sporeless guys and make a new cake with him.

But I don't see how it could be anything but genetics... so that sort of just sounds like a waste of time. :wink:


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6127825 - 10/03/06 12:02 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

Hey all, thanks for the feedback, always good for the information!! I'll try some TC, always looking for a different fun strain!!


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: NuKe_HaDer]
    #6127866 - 10/03/06 12:18 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

i think when u isolated "healthy" strains when u agar'd the plate, u probably isolated a really shitty(in potency) by strengthy strain from the mycelium.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: CptnGarden]
    #8503515 - 06/09/08 03:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I had problems with golden teachers.  I inoculated jars with a syringe from The Hawks Eye and had no problems getting them to colonize and fruit.  I didn't do anything fancy such as isolating strains, and I used rye grain and the 60/40 vermiculite coco coir tek.  I dried them on a fan and ate 5 grams completely dry.  All i got was a light buzz, not a full blown experience.  I assume they are good for beginners, but they did not meet my expectations.  I will never order this strain again, at least not from The Hawk's Eye.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AAAJ]
    #8503572 - 06/09/08 03:32 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

This thread is so old...Why bring it back up instead of starting a new one?


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: Neobean]
    #8503812 - 06/09/08 04:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

because we all wanted to gawk at your avatar some more!


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: itsallnines]
    #8503834 - 06/09/08 04:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Rofl... :P


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: Neobean]
    #8503932 - 06/09/08 05:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I have never had any problems with Ryche's spores. I have always used him and always will.

It's not the strain, or the supplier. You got some bad genes. It happens sometimes. Try again and don't bash the guy who has been selling spores longer than anyone else. :thumbdown:


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8505260 - 06/09/08 11:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't mean to make it sound as though I was bashing Ryche.  In fact I just sent in an order to him today because the PE and KSSS I ordered from him were excellent.  Thanks for your response though, HoleSnype, now I know not to go bitching online if I get another set of bad genes in the future because I didn't know that was even possible.  I'll have to try a new set sometime.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AAAJ]
    #8505459 - 06/10/08 12:12 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Did you save any of spores from the mushrooms ?..


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: Brainiac]
    #8505731 - 06/10/08 01:38 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I did pretty good with golden teachers


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: Brainiac]
    #8506719 - 06/10/08 11:37 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

No I didn't, sorry.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AAAJ]
    #8600635 - 07/06/08 02:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry to bump old threads but after I saw this I had to contribute. 

I recently crumbled and cased (no bulk spawning on this particular run) 3 1/2 pint golden teacher BRF cakes and then cased with 50/50+.  I received the spores from a very reputable Shroomery vendor.  Anywho, the first flush was great, about 21g dried.  They were all grinded down into fine shake/powder and put into capsules, of which each capsule averaged at .5 gram.

Anywho, I let a few people guinea pig them last night, starting off with 2 grams (4 capsules).  All three people who ingested them were on relatively empty stomachs, and no one felt anything!  I realize this is not a heavy dose by any means, but I've always felt fine off 2-3 grams.

I was shocked and was simply curious if it was because they were straight BRF cakes crumbled and cased, or if I received some non-potent golden teachers? 

Here is a picture of the casing right before picking, anyone have any idea why there were no effects with these GTs?



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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AbaZabba]
    #8600648 - 07/06/08 02:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

you didnt isolate a sub strain.. this has been covered millions of times.. lol

IF YOU ARE USING SPORES, DO NOT EXPECT CONSISTENT RESULTS.. You need to isolate a sub strain, then grow that.. you will use the same syringe, and next time get the most potent shrooms ever, or maybe not.. multi spore inoculations DO NOT give you the same results every single time.. just like when they isolate strains of weed, crossbreed, etc.. They are picking the best traits of the plant, and making a strong mother that clones can be taken off of...

so yeah... isolate a strain that has potency, and grow that.. lol.. sorry...


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8600667 - 07/06/08 02:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

although, you can do some more multi spore nocs, and wait till you get some potent mushies, and take a chunk of fungus from that mushy, or the sub it grew on, and put that in a brf jar, and let that grow.. then, after it grows, crumble it up in a zip lock bag, then use each individual chunk to noc up more jars, and always keep an extra to make more jars.. you will essentially clone it.. I have done this with a B+ isolate for 2 years.. And I get damn near the same exact results every time..


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #8600670 - 07/06/08 02:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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you didnt isolate a sub strain.. this has been covered millions of times.. lol

IF YOU ARE USING SPORES, DO NOT EXPECT CONSISTENT RESULTS.. You need to isolate a sub strain, then grow that.. you will use the same syringe, and next time get the most potent shrooms ever, or maybe not.. multi spore inoculations DO NOT give you the same results every single time.. just like when they isolate strains of weed, crossbreed, etc.. They are picking the best traits of the plant, and making a strong mother that clones can be taken off of...

so yeah... isolate a strain that has potency, and grow that.. lol.. sorry...




I have never seen this problem in the past with the mixture of sub strains that already come in the syringe.  I would think the mixture would be potent enough to at LEAST get a feeling on being ground up and combined together.  Any idea how big a role spawning to bulk as opposed to simply crumbling and casing plays on potency?


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AbaZabba]
    #8600801 - 07/06/08 03:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i always get variable potency from multispore. 

also, (i might be imagining this) it seems to me that the first fruits (the big strong guys) are the most potent, and potency decreases on 2nd and third flushes.

or, maybe i'm just building a huge tolerance, but recently I've been using about 6 grams for a single dose of tea :crazy2::crazy2::crazy2:


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: nonlinear]
    #8601337 - 07/06/08 06:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I just recently started packing my crops into capsules and I've had a few of my friends call up 2 hours after taking some and say that they weren't feeling anything. Invariably they would call back an hour later and barely be able to operate their phones. Some people just take forever to digest the capsules I guess. You may want to try using some of the powder with a different ingestion method just to make certain that it's the shrooms that are causing the problem.

A lot of people (myself included) have had difficult to explain batches of duds. Often they seem to be on less nutritious substrates, but the same substrates also produce great shrooms sometimes, so it's probably a genetic thing. With multi-spore, try to have a few grows going simutaneously. Like DJYoshaBYD said, the multi-spore results will vary wildly. Total duds are pretty rare though, so if you have a couple things going, the chances of getting all duds is slim. And if you take the above advice and clone, you'll never have the problem again.

Doesn't mean anything since multi-spore varies so much, but my huge batch of duds was from a GT syringe too. Of course my ass-kicking crops that all my friends love me for are also GTs, so I'm not gonna substrain bash.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: PowerOfTheCoir]
    #8601592 - 07/06/08 07:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

If it's an issue of the sub strain, what qualities am I looking for in cloning?  I would assume the largest and most vigorous, but how are you to know a species is more potent than the other without cloning it and then growing out that selection and eating some?

I wish I had some GT's that I knew for SURE we viable so I could do a side by side comparison of the two sub strains.  This is interesting and disappointing at the same time, I'm hoping the B+'s I spawned to bulk that are surfacing do not have the same effect.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AbaZabba]
    #8601621 - 07/06/08 07:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Possibly senescence.  Search RogerRabbits posts and he talks about it.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AbaZabba]
    #8601640 - 07/06/08 07:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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If it's an issue of the sub strain, what qualities am I looking for in cloning?  I would assume the largest and most vigorous, but how are you to know a species is more potent than the other without cloning it and then growing out that selection and eating some?




If you're isolating a substrain, sector out the fastest, strongest rhizomorphic growth. If you're cloning, pick your nicest, largest fruit.

That's the problem with cloning fruit bodies and isolating from multi-spore. You don't know what you're getting until you have a chance to try the results.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AbaZabba]
    #8603389 - 07/07/08 10:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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If it's an issue of the sub strain, what qualities am I looking for in cloning?  I would assume the largest and most vigorous, but how are you to know a species is more potent than the other without cloning it and then growing out that selection and eating some?





that was my point, you have to try a lot of different clones since you can never know which ones will be winners. Do some research on liquid culture and agar. When you make a clone, you save a "master" sample of it so that if it turns out to be a winner, you can go back to your master and use that clone indefinitely.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8603432 - 07/07/08 10:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i fail to see where anyone was trashing someone "thats been selling spores longer than anyone else":thumbup:


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