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OfflineNuKe_HaDer
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Golden teachers didn't teach!
    #6124863 - 10/02/06 05:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I've had quite alot of experience in cube cultivation, and was completely sold on the Cambodian strain. Out of curiosity I tried a batch of Golden Teachers. I use agar, isolate healthy strains and fruit on hpoo/straw. The golden teachers grew beautifully and fruited like no other, with tremendous yield. However, when harvested they didn't turn blue like the Cambodians, and 75% of them didn't even sporulate, so they had a white underside of the cap. After conducting trials of them, they were also void of magic!! Just curious if anyone has had the same experience. Had to scrap the whole lot of them, cuz nobody wants them.
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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: NuKe_HaDer]
    #6124973 - 10/02/06 05:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

when i did golden teachers on cakes...they were still pretty potent..

i mean...it is a cubensis strain after all....it is guaranteed to have the psylocybin and psylocin.... oh...and bluing is not a true indication of potency

i think ive read somewhere that strains may become weaker the more a strain is domesticated....


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: BIGSWANG]
    #6126493 - 10/02/06 11:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting though...The spores came from a reputable vendor. I've come to a couple of conclusions, though... Spores are old - however my cambodian spores are the same age as these golden teachers..... or I've isolated a type of mycelia sterilia..... also hard to imagine as I fruited several isolates of the multispore all with the same results. Oh well, probably will trash the GT syringes.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: NuKe_HaDer]
    #6126746 - 10/03/06 12:33 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

poor genetic substrain?


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: CantiSama]
    #6126835 - 10/03/06 12:53 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

seems you had the same experience as me. colonization was average in jars, semi fast to hpoo/straw, weak potency, good yield. also alot of them didnt turn blue. this was my first grow. i grew like 5 strains and the only one i didnt grow on hpoo was treasure coast and it was the MOST potent by FAR. you had to eat like 3x+ the ammount of GT to get on the level.

after growing out all the strains i went back to the same sponsor where i got my TC spores. The Hawks Eye. Did the buy 3 get one free. All treasure coast. Have about 40 jars and my tennstud is on the way. i would say give them a try if youre gona grow cubes again.

heres one batch of GT from my first grow everz.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: CantiSama]
    #6126853 - 10/03/06 12:59 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

spore age should only affect viabilty of the spores not potency of the finished fruit

potency would be a product of genetics or environment i think


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: nhdjoseywales]
    #6126897 - 10/03/06 01:09 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i grew several strains at the same time. all same enviroment. grew multiple tubs of the same strain and then more of the same strain from a diff vendor.

gt always let me down as far as potency. from each vendor. maybe some strains do better in my conditions???

B+ was def an explosion of thoughts in my brain. absolute crazyness. didnt get much of any visuals though. heres my first grow again but B+ none cased.



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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: rackemwillie]
    #6127291 - 10/03/06 03:38 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I cycled through a bunch of strains, too. GT has always been one of my favs and never got any complaints. I've settled on b+ and GT for my two strains for over a year. It's also the stuff I eat. I can't speak about poo grows, but on rye, they are just as good as any other. At least for me, they are.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: Sam1912]
    #6127360 - 10/03/06 05:17 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

when you did a strain isolation it is not guaranteed to be good genetics. it may not even fruit.in all the teks i have read it says when you are going to isolate a strain inoculate a few jars with agar wedges and keep a master culture and grow a cycle out and see how they are and if they are potent.

so i am going to have to agree it is bad genetics


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: royer]
    #6127407 - 10/03/06 06:58 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

wow Ive come to think that i wasn't the only one, i have always cultivated liberty caps and De Burro, i recently decided to go with the golden teacher and i noticed that it wasn't very much potent, it stains very blue and grow a pretty good size but for some reason try just dint hit any one wtf? is it possible or vendors to sell weak spores or even take out the potency? or is a golden teacher always potent? i am a master cultivator for several edible mushrooms too and it got me for a surprise that these had many many pins that didn't go any where.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: merge_oners]
    #6127426 - 10/03/06 07:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If you want to determine the nature vs nurture factor, clone one of the sporeless guys and make a new cake with him.

But I don't see how it could be anything but genetics... so that sort of just sounds like a waste of time. :wink:


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6127825 - 10/03/06 12:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Hey all, thanks for the feedback, always good for the information!! I'll try some TC, always looking for a different fun strain!!


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: NuKe_HaDer]
    #6127866 - 10/03/06 12:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i think when u isolated "healthy" strains when u agar'd the plate, u probably isolated a really shitty(in potency) by strengthy strain from the mycelium.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: CptnGarden]
    #8503515 - 06/09/08 03:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I had problems with golden teachers.  I inoculated jars with a syringe from The Hawks Eye and had no problems getting them to colonize and fruit.  I didn't do anything fancy such as isolating strains, and I used rye grain and the 60/40 vermiculite coco coir tek.  I dried them on a fan and ate 5 grams completely dry.  All i got was a light buzz, not a full blown experience.  I assume they are good for beginners, but they did not meet my expectations.  I will never order this strain again, at least not from The Hawk's Eye.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AAAJ]
    #8503572 - 06/09/08 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This thread is so old...Why bring it back up instead of starting a new one?


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: Neobean]
    #8503812 - 06/09/08 04:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

because we all wanted to gawk at your avatar some more!


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: itsallnines]
    #8503834 - 06/09/08 04:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Rofl... :P


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: Neobean]
    #8503932 - 06/09/08 05:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have never had any problems with Ryche's spores. I have always used him and always will.

It's not the strain, or the supplier. You got some bad genes. It happens sometimes. Try again and don't bash the guy who has been selling spores longer than anyone else. :thumbdown:


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8505260 - 06/09/08 11:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't mean to make it sound as though I was bashing Ryche.  In fact I just sent in an order to him today because the PE and KSSS I ordered from him were excellent.  Thanks for your response though, HoleSnype, now I know not to go bitching online if I get another set of bad genes in the future because I didn't know that was even possible.  I'll have to try a new set sometime.


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Re: Golden teachers didn't teach! [Re: AAAJ]
    #8505459 - 06/10/08 12:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Did you save any of spores from the mushrooms ?..


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