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The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!)
#6121791 - 10/01/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bobblehead Muhammed?
BY TINA MOORE DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER A ceramic bobblehead doll of the Prophet Muhammed - created to resemble the infamous caricature published by a Danish newspaper - is being hawked online for $22.99 a pop by an ex-Marine. The unapologetic creator, Timothy Ames, 28, said the bobblehead is similar to "dashboard Jesus" figurines that can be stuck with adhesive to flat surfaces. "I thought, 'If they flipped out over some cartoons what will they do with a dashboard Muhammed?'" Ames said from his home in Hawaii.
But Islamic experts are not amused, saying the bobbleheads could anger Muslims, whose religion strictly prohibits depictions of the prophet.
"No depiction of the prophet, even if it is positive, should be made ever - and certainly not one as ridiculous as the bobblehead Muhammed," said Zvi Ben-Dor Benite, an assistant professor at New York University. "I don't think it's about freedom of speech. This is the freedom to insult, which he shouldn't be doing."
Ames said several hundred people have purchased the dolls online, and he has paid a Chinese manufacturer to create 1,000 more. "I just think it's funny," he said.
Violent protests erupted last winter across the Muslim world after a Danish newspaper published cartoons lampooning the Prophet Muhammed as a suicide bomber. Many European papers reprinted the cartoons.
"People who get p----d off about this, they're going to get p----d off regardless," Ames, a baptized Christian, said.
The sophomoric Web site where Ames, using the pen name "Filthy," sells the bobbleheads also features a collection of scattered rants. In one, he writes: "I'm really not into slamming people just for their religion. Most of the stupid people I've met are stupid despite their religion, not because of it."
Frank Peters, a professor in the Department of Middle Eastern Studies at NYU, warned that a bobblehead Muhammed was "a really bad idea."
"Jews and Christians have gotten used to this kind of thing, but Muslims haven't," he said. "This may not be his intention, but these things have consequences."
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Edited by SirTripAlot (10/01/06 05:03 PM)
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said: "Jews and Christians have gotten used to this kind of thing, but Muslims haven't," he said. "
Sounds like a golden opportunity for them to get over themselves and become civilized beings for once.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6122012 - 10/01/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"I don't think it's about freedom of speech. This is the freedom to insult, which he shouldn't be doing."
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: wilshire]
#6122138 - 10/01/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is NO freedom without the freedom to insult. That is 100% what freedom of speech is about. 100%. And did I forget to add that jesus, muhamed, moses, ra, shiva, buddha, siddhartha, baba rum raisin, and all the other sacred assholes are douchebags and their followers are stupid fucknuggets. Try that on for a right. It feels good to me.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: zappaisgod]
#6123097 - 10/01/06 11:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't forget Bonehead
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6123114 - 10/01/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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this should really get them fired up 
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: zappaisgod]
#6123472 - 10/02/06 05:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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> There is NO freedom without the freedom to insult. That is 100% what freedom of speech is about. 100%.
Exactly. Freedom is hard. I have to be willing to stand up beside somebody that is spouting filth so foul that boils my blood and support their right to state their opinion.
> [rant... rant... rant...] and their followers are stupid fucknuggets. Try that on for a right. It feels good to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=6WiV2fyvRbs (A great song!)
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6123699 - 10/02/06 08:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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im for pissing off religous conservatives anywhere in this world. pissing off christian loons over here is great. pissing off muslim nutjobs is also funny. i despise all conservatives equallly
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6123965 - 10/02/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love pissing religites off. I might have to buy one of these.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6124070 - 10/02/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont enjoy pissing people off for the hell of it; however, we do have freedom of speech and if one religion is trying to take it away from me or anyone in my country... they should be insulted. I got pissed off when South Park was forced to censor their depiction, and I am just as pissed off that people are trying to pressure this guy to stop selling his bobbleheads.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: AaronEvil]
#6124122 - 10/02/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is terrible that South Park had to censor their show, but I think it was worth it. When you get down to it, it is not a matter of free speech, but of safety. When the conservative Muslims go nuts and start offing people due to a cartoon, I don't think people should keep doing it, no matter how wrong/unfair they are.
They are just like us though, we are all humans, right basilides?
They are not like me at all, I would never kill someone over a cartoon. Even if it was one of my mother, in the post unflattering situation/act ever imagined.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6124189 - 10/02/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is terrible that South Park had to censor their show, but I think it was worth it. When you get down to it, it is not a matter of free speech, but of safety. When the conservative Muslims go nuts and start offing people due to a cartoon, I don't think people should keep doing it, no matter how wrong/unfair they are.
Funny, I take the exact opposite standpoint... when people start killing over a cartoon, then it is time to start really pushing the boundries. There is no way that I am going to crawl into a hole and bury my head in the sand because some fuck halfway across the world is offended by my freedoms and thinks the appropriate response is to start killing people. In this case, I am going to do absolutely everything in my power to offend these people, because, quite franky, I find their means of censorship through terror to be more dangerous and offense than pretty much anything else I can think of. I'm not a sheep to tiptoe through life walking on eggshells so that I don't accidently offend somebody else. I'll start showing a little respect when the sploidy-types quit murdering civilians for attention.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Seuss]
#6124195 - 10/02/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Say you had a loved one abroad, who was killed by one of these maniacs, over a cartoon. Would you still hold the same position?
I will be for free speech, when our governments are willing to protect us abroad from these people. That means embassies that don't get over run, but shoot to kill the trespassers. Until then, we are not prepared to be putting other people's lives at risk!
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
Edited by alpharedecho (10/02/06 12:13 PM)
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Seuss]
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Say you had a loved one abroad, who was killed by one of these maniacs, over a cartoon. Would you still hold the same position?
Even more so... if somebody is going to kill me or my loved ones because they find offence at what I think or say, then I am going to show them just how nasty my thoughts and opinions can get. The moment I give up my right to think what I want and to share my opinions with others is the moment I die. Nobody is going to take that right away from me without a fight, and I am not going to turn into a coward because some schmuck is threatening me or my family.
Every time somebody gives up their right to offend Islam (or anything else) out of fear is a win for the radicals and a loss for humanity.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Seuss]
#6124320 - 10/02/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I share your opinion, but unless we are allowed to do something to protect ourselves/retaliate, it is pointless to get picked off by these people, while our hands are tied.
Not be told "well you offended their most sacred beliefs, etc etc etc."
Which country were the Scandinavian embassies over run in? That country should be made to pay severely, as we would never allow a foreign embassy to be over run by our native population.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: AaronEvil]
#6124573 - 10/02/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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From a psycological stand point, you SHOULDNT censor a cartoon because people will flip out and kill others. You dont want to show weakness to people like this. Dont show them that you are willing to give into their absurd beliefs just because you are affraid of what they might do. It like the saying "give them an inch and they will take a foot." You censor a cartoon and soon enough they will get you to censor much more. Like I said before, I will not go out of my way to offend anyone unless they are asking for it, but I dont think I would censor a cartoon because radicals around the world would be offended. They are called radicals for a reason and we should not feed the fire.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: AaronEvil]
#6124764 - 10/02/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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> It like the saying "give them an inch and they will take a foot."
That sums up the "why" behind my words, nicely.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Seuss]
#6124776 - 10/02/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's easy for us to talk about this from the safety of our countries.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6124813 - 10/02/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've had some axis of evil toilet paper printed up, each sheet has a portrait from a rogue's gallery of fundamentalist Muslims, fundamentalist Christians and Zionists. It gives a whole new meaning to the term, 'shit faced.'
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6124842 - 10/02/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6124986 - 10/02/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Catoons and toys.......dont they have alot more trying problems that lay ahead then these?
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6127514 - 10/03/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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> Catoons and toys.......dont they have alot more trying problems that lay ahead then these?
It isn't about solving problems, but rather about controlling the people.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6127659 - 10/03/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ladies and Gentlemen... Moooooooooooooo hamed!
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Basilides]
#6128610 - 10/03/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lets treat all religions the same, except for Islam, because, ya know they so violent!!!!!
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6129492 - 10/03/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are different and varied schools of thought under the umbrella of Islam, there are many different personalities and proclivities among the adherents of Islam. To claim that Islam per se is violent is to display one's lack of knowledge on the subject. One can just as easily claim that Christianity is violent based upon some believers' interpretations of their 'holy' books and actions in the real world. Using your apparent line of reasoning, it is certainly not without merit to argue that 'Christians' such as George W. Bush give ample evidence as to the violent nature of Christianity. However, as one raised in a Christian faith, my view is that GWB and his supporters are Faux Christians (or is it 'Fox Christians') who have refused to walk the path shown by the namesake of their religion. Jesus Christ was (as the story goes), after all, someone who ALLOWED himself to be beaten and crucified, he did not strike out at third parties who had no hand in the violence done against him. He did not rationalized the killing of the innocent as 'collateral damage.'
That being said, I would like to quote Robert Anton Wilson:Quote:
My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered clinically dead under current medical standards, where absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended...
Belief in the traditional sense, or certitude, or dogma, amounts to the grandiose delusion, "My current model" -- or grid, or map, or reality-tunnel -- "contains the whole universe and will never need to be revised." In terms of the history of science and knowledge in general, this appears absurd and arrogant to me, and I am perpetually astonished that so many people still manage to live with such a medieval attitude....
...when dogmas enter the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
#6131827 - 10/04/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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How about we base it's level of violence based on the actions of their followers today.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Trepiodos stated: To claim that Islam per se is violent is to display one's lack of knowledge on the subject
Bullshit. I am very fimilar with the ideology of Islam, including the pillars that make it up. The fact remains that Islam gets it tit in a ringer over cartoons and dolls......more than any other religion.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6131920 - 10/04/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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oops.....use the reply to button N00b!
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said: Bullshit. I am very fimilar with the ideology of Islam, including the pillars that make it up.
Are you familiar with Sufism? It would seem not. Are all sects of Islam identical? No, they are not. Are all followers of a particular Islamic sect identical? No they are not.
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The fact remains that Islam gets it tit in a ringer over cartoons and dolls......more than any other religion.
That is not a fact. Islam has no tit to get into a ringer. You seem to be anthropomorphizing Islam and attributing to it the actions and emotions of SOME of the adherents of CERTAIN sects. Religions are not people, they are belief systems held by people. As such, each individual (whether he/she admits it or not) takes the various elements of the religion as he/she sees fit. Beliefs, mythologies and codes of behavior will be interpreted differently by different sects and then be further filtered through an individual's own personal paradigm, some will be ignored, some will be added, some will be embellished, some will be turned to a totally different meaning than the founder intended.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: How about we base it's level of violence based on the actions of their followers today.
By this measure, we may find Christianity to still be more violent than Islam. It's just that the violence is sanitized and rationalized. What have the self labeled Christians wrought upon the world as 'collateral damage' or intended damage in death and suffering in the mid-east, in South and Central America and in Europe? Dead is dead, whether from a bomb dropped from 30,000 feet or from a beheading, whether as a consequence of the destruction of sanitation facilities and other infrastructure in a country or from homicidal suicides.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
#6132618 - 10/04/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fair enough, maybe we should measure it on the acts of the followers, in the name of their religion. The middle east shit is in the name of oil and money, not much more.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
#6132982 - 10/04/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your over analytical commentary may be amusing to your self, and trust me, you deserve a cherry on your sundae, BUT the fact still remains that MUSLIMS respond violently to cartoons and dolls. I didnt say EVERY muslim does, however, the ones that happen to respond violently, are the ones who say they prescribe to Islam.
NO SHIT?
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6133020 - 10/04/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Trepiodos stated: To claim that Islam per se is violent is to display one's lack of knowledge on the subject
Bullshit. I am very fimilar with the ideology of Islam, including the pillars that make it up. The fact remains that Islam gets it tit in a ringer over cartoons and dolls......more than any other religion.
Just what are the pillars of Islam?
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Basilides]
#6134002 - 10/04/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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In a nutshell:
The Testimony of Faith (Shahadah) - the declaration that there is none worthy of worship except Allah (Arabic:God) and that Muhammad(PBUH)is His last messenger. Ritual Prayer (Salat) - establishing of the five daily Prayers. Obligatory (religious) almsgiving (Zakat) - which is generally 2.5% of the total savings for a rich man working in trade or industry, and 10% or 20% of the annual produce for agriculturists. This money or produce is distributed among the poor. Sawm, Fasting The Pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj) - this is done during the month of Zul Hijjah, and is compulsory once in a lifetime for one who has the ability to do it. If the Muslim is in ill health or in debt, he or she is not required to perform Hajj.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
#6134297 - 10/04/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im going to have to agree with SirTripsalot or whatever his screen name is. The people getting butt hurt over this shit are islamic. They respond violently and thus are the people we refer to. I agree, however, that not all islamic followers are dangerous, violent people. But, this particular story is about those that are. So, when we make reference to Islamic extemists getting bitchy about this stuff and throwing a fit, we refer specifically to the violent ones that take a stand on it.
On a personal note, please use some reason next time. Obviously not every person that follows any one thing is going to be identical to the rest of its followers.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: AaronEvil]
#6134424 - 10/04/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: So, when we make reference to Islamic extemists getting bitchy about this stuff and throwing a fit, we refer specifically to the violent ones that take a stand on it.
SirTripAlot was referring to Islam, not specifically to Islamic extremists. Broad brush strokes and a black and white pallet seldom paint accurate portraits.
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On a personal note, please use some reason next time.
That you are unable to recognize reason, is no indication that it is not being used. If you could cite SPECIFIC things which I stated which are unreasonable, please do so.
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Obviously not every person that follows any one thing is going to be identical to the rest of its followers.
This is not so obvious to those I take issue with.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
#6135050 - 10/05/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was pretty clear in my post. Re-read it if you need to.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: AaronEvil]
#6139382 - 10/06/06 04:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trepiodos stated: SirTripAlot was referring to Islam, not specifically to Islamic extremists. Broad brush strokes and a black and white pallet seldom paint accurate portraits.
Bullshit. I never said that. Dont think that just because you like to use your over analytical Spock wannabe meanderings, it gives you credence to make assumptions I never said. Count up 6 posts, from this post, and you can see why you are no Lenard Nimoy.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
#6139394 - 10/06/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Keep it civil please. Stick to debating the topic, not each other. 
(A friendly reminder to everybody posting!)
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