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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6124986 - 10/02/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Catoons and toys.......dont they have alot more trying problems that lay ahead then these?


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6127514 - 10/03/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> Catoons and toys.......dont they have alot more trying problems that lay ahead then these?

It isn't about solving problems, but rather about controlling the people.


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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6127659 - 10/03/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ladies and Gentlemen... Moooooooooooooo hamed!


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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6128610 - 10/03/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Lets treat all religions the same, except for Islam, because, ya know they so violent!!!!!


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6129492 - 10/03/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There are different and varied schools of thought under the umbrella of Islam, there are many different personalities and proclivities among the adherents of Islam. To claim that Islam per se is violent is to display one's lack of knowledge on the subject. One can just as easily claim that Christianity is violent based upon some believers' interpretations of their 'holy' books and actions in the real world. Using your apparent line of reasoning, it is certainly not without merit to argue that 'Christians' such as George W. Bush give ample evidence as to the violent nature of Christianity. However, as one raised in a Christian faith, my view is that GWB and his supporters are Faux Christians (or is it 'Fox Christians') who have refused to walk the path shown by the namesake of their religion. Jesus Christ was (as the story goes), after all, someone who ALLOWED himself to be beaten and crucified, he did not strike out at third parties who had no hand in the violence done against him. He did not rationalized the killing of the innocent as 'collateral damage.'

That being said, I would like to quote Robert Anton Wilson:
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My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered clinically dead under current medical standards, where absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended...


Belief in the traditional sense, or certitude, or dogma, amounts to the grandiose delusion, "My current model" -- or grid, or map, or reality-tunnel -- "contains the whole universe and will never need to be revised." In terms of the history of science and knowledge in general, this appears absurd and arrogant to me, and I am perpetually astonished that so many people still manage to live with such a medieval attitude....


...when dogmas enter the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.




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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6131827 - 10/04/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How about we base it's level of violence based on the actions of their followers today.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6131911 - 10/04/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Trepiodos stated: To claim that Islam per se is violent is to display one's lack of knowledge on the subject




Bullshit. I am very fimilar with the ideology of Islam, including the pillars that make it up. The fact remains that Islam gets it tit in a ringer over cartoons and dolls......more than any other religion.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6131920 - 10/04/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

oops.....use the reply to button N00b!  :evil:


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6132480 - 10/04/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
Bullshit. I am very fimilar with the ideology of Islam, including the pillars that make it up.



Are you familiar with Sufism? It would seem not. Are all sects of Islam identical? No, they are not. Are all followers of a particular Islamic sect identical? No they are not.

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The fact remains that Islam gets it tit in a ringer over cartoons and dolls......more than any other religion.



That is not a fact. Islam has no tit to get into a ringer. You seem to be anthropomorphizing Islam and attributing to it the actions and emotions of SOME of the adherents of CERTAIN sects. Religions are not people, they are belief systems held by people. As such, each individual (whether he/she admits it or not) takes the various elements of the religion as he/she sees fit. Beliefs, mythologies and codes of behavior will be interpreted differently by different sects and then be further filtered through an individual's own personal paradigm, some will be ignored, some will be added, some will be embellished, some will be turned to a totally different meaning than the founder intended.


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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6132564 - 10/04/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
How about we base it's level of violence based on the actions of their followers today.



By this measure, we may find Christianity to still be more violent than Islam. It's just that the violence is sanitized and rationalized. What have the self labeled Christians wrought upon the world as 'collateral damage' or intended damage in death and suffering in the mid-east, in South and Central America and in Europe? Dead is dead, whether from a bomb dropped from 30,000 feet or from a beheading, whether as a consequence of the destruction of sanitation facilities and other infrastructure in a country or from homicidal suicides.


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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6132618 - 10/04/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Fair enough, maybe we should measure it on the acts of the followers, in the name of their religion. The middle east shit is in the name of oil and money, not much more.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6132982 - 10/04/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Your over analytical commentary may be amusing to your self, and trust me, you deserve a cherry on your sundae, BUT the fact still remains that MUSLIMS respond violently to cartoons and dolls. I didnt say EVERY muslim does, however, the ones that happen to respond violently, are the ones who say they prescribe to Islam.


NO SHIT?


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6133020 - 10/04/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
Trepiodos stated: To claim that Islam per se is violent is to display one's lack of knowledge on the subject




Bullshit. I am very fimilar with the ideology of Islam, including the pillars that make it up. The fact remains that Islam gets it tit in a ringer over cartoons and dolls......more than any other religion.




Just what are the pillars of Islam?


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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Basilides]
    #6134002 - 10/04/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In a nutshell:

The Testimony of Faith (Shahadah) - the declaration that there is none worthy of worship except Allah (Arabic:God) and that Muhammad(PBUH)is His last messenger.
Ritual Prayer (Salat) - establishing of the five daily Prayers.
Obligatory (religious) almsgiving (Zakat) - which is generally 2.5% of the total savings for a rich man working in trade or industry, and 10% or 20% of the annual produce for agriculturists. This money or produce is distributed among the poor.
Sawm, Fasting
The Pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj) - this is done during the month of Zul Hijjah, and is compulsory once in a lifetime for one who has the ability to do it. If the Muslim is in ill health or in debt, he or she is not required to perform Hajj.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6134297 - 10/04/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Im going to have to agree with SirTripsalot or whatever his screen name is. The people getting butt hurt over this shit are islamic. They respond violently and thus are the people we refer to. I agree, however, that not all islamic followers are dangerous, violent people. But, this particular story is about those that are. So, when we make reference to Islamic extemists getting bitchy about this stuff and throwing a fit, we refer specifically to the violent ones that take a stand on it.

On a personal note, please use some reason next time. Obviously not every person that follows any one thing is going to be identical to the rest of its followers.


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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: AaronEvil]
    #6134424 - 10/04/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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So, when we make reference to Islamic extemists getting bitchy about this stuff and throwing a fit, we refer specifically to the violent ones that take a stand on it.



SirTripAlot was referring to Islam, not specifically to Islamic extremists. Broad brush strokes and a black and white pallet seldom paint accurate portraits.

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On a personal note, please use some reason next time.



That you are unable to recognize reason, is no indication that it is not being used. If you could cite SPECIFIC things which I stated which are unreasonable, please do so.

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Obviously not every person that follows any one thing is going to be identical to the rest of its followers.



This is not so obvious to those I take issue with.


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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6135050 - 10/05/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I was pretty clear in my post. Re-read it if you need to.


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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: AaronEvil]
    #6139382 - 10/06/06 04:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Trepiodos stated: SirTripAlot was referring to Islam, not specifically to Islamic extremists. Broad brush strokes and a black and white pallet seldom paint accurate portraits.


Bullshit. I never said that. Dont think that just because you like to use your over analytical Spock wannabe meanderings, it gives you credence to make assumptions I never said. Count up 6 posts, from this post, and you can see why you are no Lenard Nimoy.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The Prophet in Bobblehead Form........(watch out!!) [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6139394 - 10/06/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Keep it civil please.  Stick to debating the topic, not each other.  :smile:

(A friendly reminder to everybody posting!)


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