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Bohemian Grove
    #6118650 - 09/30/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This has to do with Politics considering all the past presidents that have been there and how observing their personal lives could explain how they could have made events like 911 happen. These rituals where what led me to seriously consider Conspiracy Theories. How could anyone dispute this video showing that our world leaders attend a mock sacrifice of children in the Cremation of Care Ceremony, under a stone owl as Moloch. The Members of Bohemian Grove claim it is a joke, a fraternity, a place to get drunk and do crazy sophomoric shit. But this ceremony seems too elaborate, too true to occult rituals when you watch the ceremony and listen to the narrative of the ceremony.If not, then why choose such a dark evil thing as a joke? Not to mention true Christians like the Bush's would never stand for this even if it where just a joke. Watch it your self and stop taking their word for it.

They break in at the 1hr mark and the ritual starts a 1:17 min if you dont want to watch the whole thing. You dont have to wait for it to download just move the timer to the proper time.

Inside Bohemian Grove Video


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6118744 - 09/30/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Is the Alex Jones video?

When Alex Jones snuck in, an author (whose name is escaping me) snuck in with him and what he saw completely contradicts the nefarious things that Jones thought was going on. I'll try to dig up the author's name. The book is a good (and funny) read.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6118751 - 09/30/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, found it. The guy's name is Jon Ronson, and the books name is "Them: Adventures With Extremists". It is a great fucking read. I'd recommend it to anyone who can read. It offers a very objective account of various different types of "extremists" in the US.

http://www.jonronson.com/them_bohemia.html

There's an extract from his book that deals with the Bohemian Grove.

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    #6118782 - 09/30/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Redstorm]
    #6118790 - 09/30/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What exactly did he say that extract doesn't really say much.

I mean how can Alex Jones misinterpret a mock sacrifice? :shocked:

Still curious to see what he said though.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: uber_aj]
    #6118859 - 09/30/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Redstorm - Sounds interesting, id love to hear the title of the book

I don't know how real the Bohemian Grove is, and the loose connection to Molech from the Old Testament doesn't mean shit unless you are a Christian or Jew. The Jews of the OT said everyone was practising witchcraft and sorcery, was an evil "pagan," and did all this horrible shit. The rituals Jones described could just be a reenactment of Hosea 13:16 when god rips opern pregant women and smashes their feti on rocks for not giving sacrifice to Yaweh.

as nefarious as Jones wants to make it look, so what? mock human sacrifice is still better than child molestation. Its just like Freemasonry in the early 1900s, everyone heard about this underground 'cult' that involved a lot of prominent figures, and they all freaked out. theories about the NWO and world domination arose, the name Baphomet got thrown around some more, but its not a big fucking deal. if Christianity wasnt so popular, outsiders would probably appalled at the idea of transubstantiation, cannibalizing God's son.

I just hope i get rich/famous enough to go the grove sometime. unfortunately TX is one of the states where you still have to be 21 to join Freemasonry, so I have to wait for that too.




It is clearly burning effigy to a stone owl.Like Moloch except it's not a bull. But the owl seems to be found protecting Lilith?


As for it not being as nefarious at it seems id say that is subjective

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6118869 - 09/30/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

props on the research, but you have facts mixed with fiction at this point.

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How could anyone dispute this video showing that our world leaders attend a mock sacrifice of children in the Cremation of Care Ceremony, under a stone owl as Moloch.




This is an ancient ritual that dates back to the Druids, and Care is not a child. Care has a deep voice, and is an effigy / metaphor for caring / guilt / etc. It was exposed as far back as 1899, as you can read on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove#Cremation_of_Care

This is indeed fascinating, but make sure you don't put too much interest into it, because there are much more important things going on in the world of conspiracy then these ceremonies. Keep searchin!


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6118916 - 09/30/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You really should read the book. It offers some great firsthand information on what goes down at that place.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Redstorm]
    #6118952 - 09/30/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Even if he doesnt think its bad I still dislike what they do there.

World leaders pretending to sacrifice children. this doesnt raise any eyebrows??


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6118985 - 09/30/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

They dont pretend to sacrifice children though. I confused it with Moloch which is what the Owl is called by Alex Jones but like kotic said its the cremation of care. mock human sacrifice none the less.

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    #6119007 - 09/30/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: uber_aj]
    #6129518 - 10/03/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I can end this whole thing very quickly. I have been there many times. It’s not what Alex Jones says it is. Its a men’s club, they get drunk and run around naked. That’s it. Alex Jones has no credibility in my eyes since I know for a fact that he wrong about the motives behind the grove... The reason it’s so secret is because they believe in the whole "what happens here stays here” concept. They are not lizard people, lol... As for the cremation of care, its an old ritual that stuck, it has no religious or outside meaning.



P.S. Its fun to climb on the owl statue. -_-

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6129534 - 10/03/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How do you "know for a fact that he wrong about the motives behind the grove"?


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6129544 - 10/03/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Alex Jones seems to believe that this is some larger plot that has to do with other organizations such as skull and bones, that is for the elite who help each other reach high levels of power. I know many people who are members of the club. They know these so called elite, and when at the club everyone is pretty much equal. Guys have fun getting drunk and for the most part don’t give a shit about politics and the outside world. The leaders of the organization are just older men, they have other places that they meet as well and play cards and smoke cigars.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6130376 - 10/03/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I know many people who are members of the club.  They know these so called elite, and when at the club everyone is pretty much equal.




thanks for the insight!  glad that's all cleared up now.  Of course, putting all the most powerful and wealthy people in this country together in one place... who would even imagine they would talk about politics.. that's just foolish!  :rolleyes:


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: kotik]
    #6130511 - 10/03/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

did anyone mention that women are not allowed?

there is no big deal, they are fairly open about the whole thing, and there is nothing illegal about the proceedings..... it is just kind of sketchy.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6130515 - 10/03/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well I happen to like women

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6130774 - 10/03/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

And what proof do you have of what you speak? You mean to tell me govt elites get together to attend pagan rituals for fun? Those were absolutely pagan by anyones definition. So they are practicing the old ways for shits n giggles?

That was clearly an open air ceremony and the people there recognized what was happening and were pleased by it. What do they know about what they are watching that gives them pleasure? Some of these men were cheering like someone scored a touchdown, the average american would not have gotten such a reaction from that display I can tell you that for certain.


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #6130830 - 10/03/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yea women are not allowed, they are allowed to go during the day however, for visits of the grounds. They have weddings there as well actually.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6131390 - 10/04/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

To speculate, for even a second, what the most elite class of the world does for fun, or what they find entertaining... would be quite a speculation to say the least.

If anyone is interested enough to speculate, the least you can do is review unbiased AND biased reviews. In actuality, it seems to be a mixture of both fun / business. The grove is divided into many different camps, and some camps are guarded by secret service to block others within the grove, but from different camps.

This illustrates more of an adult summer-camp (or even a burning-man for rich old white men) than anything else, however instead of sneaking in dirty magazines and weed, you might imagine how some of the more wealthy, and say.. spoiled elite may behave. To say that NOTHING inappropriate takes place, or that NOTHING political takes place, would deem you as a complete fool, drowning in ignorance and perhaps apathy. I can't say either way what the true intentions are, but these people don't get to where they are at, by ignoring each others positions and having fun, they build connections and talk business as a living.


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6131491 - 10/04/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

cocconut grove wha what?

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    #6131573 - 10/04/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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To speculate, for even a second, what the most elite class of the world does for fun, or what they find entertaining... would be quite a speculation to say the least.

If anyone is interested enough to speculate, the least you can do is review unbiased AND biased reviews. In actuality, it seems to be a mixture of both fun / business. The grove is divided into many different camps, and some camps are guarded by secret service to block others within the grove, but from different camps.

This illustrates more of an adult summer-camp (or even a burning-man for rich old white men) than anything else, however instead of sneaking in dirty magazines and weed, you might imagine how some of the more wealthy, and say.. spoiled elite may behave. To say that NOTHING inappropriate takes place, or that NOTHING political takes place, would deem you as a complete fool, drowning in ignorance and perhaps apathy. I can't say either way what the true intentions are, but these people don't get to where they are at, by ignoring each others positions and having fun, they build connections and talk business as a living.




Thats like 99% perfect. "This illustrates more of an adult summer-camp (or even a burning-man for rich old white men)"

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6131696 - 10/04/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Get the most powerful men in the world in one spot, and you think it is summer camp? I'm not buying that for a second...


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6131772 - 10/04/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

'cremation of care'
They say, it is just for 14 days.
Perhaps it's for the whole year ?
Perhaps those participating are not aware of that ?

I wonder, why 'care' at the ceremony has such a dark and evil voice...

I imagine, hundred years ago, when there was a live orchestra and real singers. That would have been spooky :wink:

Why have the 'wold/economic leaders' have to attain the ceremony ? They were those with the robes... Is that some kind of initiation ?

I look, perhaps I will filter out the text of the ceremony. One could get some insights regarding the 'lyrics'...


edit: here we go, if anyone 'cares' :grin: Feel free to add or correct anything you want. Perhaps I will open a thread in P&S about his, or better in MR&P ? If anyone wants to do that, please feel free to do so.

Problems: Bad to understand. I wrote it from the screen of the google video and perhaps Alex Jones had some few misunderstandings somewhere. Bad punctuations. Also it was hard to differ if only one priest spoke or if there sometimes was another who did.
Another difficulty is to see what actually happens, because it is from a hidden cam and sometimes quite out of focus or angel.

- Goienng (little chinese gong)

Priest: The Owl is in His leafy temple. Let all within the Grove be reverent before Him. Lift up your heads, oh ye trees and be ye lifted  up ye everlasting spires for behold ! Here is Bohemia's shrine and holy are the pillars of this house.

- Goienng

Priest: Weaving spiders come not here !

- Goienng

Guys with torches march in towards the altar. In their middle someone in a white robe.

Priest: Hail Bohemians ! With the ripple of waters, the song of birds such music as inspires the sinking soul, do we invite you into Midsummer's joy. The sky above is blue and sown with stars. The forest floor is heaped with fragrant grit. The evening's cool kiss is yours. The campfires glow... The birth of rosy fingered dawn. Shake off your sorrows with the city's dust and cast to the winds the cares of life. But memories bring back the well-loved names of gallant friends, who knew and loved this grove, dear boon companions of long ago.

Priest: Aye ! Let them join us in this ritual! And not a place be empty in our midst.

Priest: All of his battles to hold in this gray autumn of the world or in the springtime of your heart. Attend our tale. Gather ye forest folk and cast your spell over these mortals ! Touch their world-blind eyes with carrion. Open their eyes for fancy. Follow the memories of yesterday and seal the gates of sorrow. It is a dream and yet, not all a dream. Dull Care in all of his works harbored it. As vanished Babylon and goodly Tyre, so shall they also vanish. But the wilding rose blows on the broken battlements of Tyre, and moss rends the stones of Babylon. For beauty is eternal and we bow to beauty everlasting. For lasting happiness, we turn to one alone...as She surrounds you now. Great Nature...Refuge of the weary heart. And only found Her breasts that had been bruised. She has cool hands for every fevered brow and dreadless silence for the troubled soul. Her councils are most wise. She healeth well having such ministries as calm and sleep. She is ever faithful. Other friends may fail, but seek ye Her in any quiet place, smiling. She will rise and give to you Her kiss, so must ye  come as children. Little children that believe don't ever doubt her beauty of (I did hear and) her faith nor deem Her tenderness can change or die.

Music

she is brought in front of the altar

priest: Bohemians and Priests ! The desperate call of heavy hearts is answered ! By the power of your fellowship Dull Care is slain !

People applauding and 'yeah'ing

priest: His body has been brought yonder to our funeral pyre to the joyous pipings of a funeral march.

crowd laughing (?)

priest: Our funeral pyre awaits the corpse of care !

music. A boat with bond 'Care' on it, arrives.

priest: Oh Thou, thus ferried across the shadowy tide in all the ancient majesty of death...Dull Care, ardent enemy of beauty, not for Thee the...forgiveness or the restful grave, fire shall have its will of Thee, and all the winds make merry with Thy dust ! Bring fire !

Crowd cheering. Some (other ?) guys with torches come to the altar. They carry something, that looks like a flame. Hmmm it seems like a flame, then they carry something similar away (wtf ? :-)) Perhaps they deliver 'Care' here ?
Crazy laughter (from the 'off'' ?) as they place it on the altar.

Bad (angry/violent/mighty/powerful ?) voice ( Care ?): Fools !

Explosion.

voice: Fools ! When will ye learn that me ye cannot slay ? Year after year ye burn me in this grove...Lifting your puny shouts of triumph to the stars, when again ye turn your faces to the marketplace, do ye not find me waiting, as of old ? Fools ! Fools ! Fools to dream ye conquer care !

Priest: Say thou mocking spirit. It is not all a dream. We know Thou waiteth for us, when this our sylvan holiday has ended. We shall meet Thee and fight Thee as of old and some of us prevail against Thee an some Thou shalt destroy. But this, too, wee know, year after year within this happy grove, our fellowship nabs Thee for a space, thine malevolence which would pursue us here has lost its power under These friendly trees. So shall we burn Thee once again this night and, with the flames that eat Thine effigy, we shall read the sign. Midsummer sets us free !

voice: Ye shall burn me once again ?

Crazy evil laughter

voice: Not with these flames, which hither ye have brought from regions where I reign...ye fools and priests. I spit upon your fire !

pyrotechnical comet coming from the sky and hits somewhere out of the field of sight of the cam (Alex you fool ! :-))
People are excited and applaud

priest: Oh Owl ! Prince of all mortal wisdom, Owl of Bohemia, we beseech thee, grant us Thy council.

music

music continues and (Smooth bass male) Singing (Bohemia, the Owl): No fire...no fire...no fire...unless it be kindled in the world where care is nourished on the hates of men and drive Him from this grove. One flame alone must light this fire. One flame alone must light this fire. A pure, eternal flame. A pure, eternal flame. At last, within the lamp of fellowship upon the altar of Bohemia.

Priest: Oh, great Owl of Bohemia ! We thank Thee for Thy adoration !

Something happening with still music.

Priest: Be gone detested Care ! Be gone. Once more, we banish Thee. - music stops - Be gone Dull Care ! Fire shall have its will of Thee ! Be gone Dull Care ! And all the winds make merry with Thy dust ! Hail fellowship's eternal flame ! Once again, Midsummer sets us free !

People little applaud. Then a bad cry or scream in hurt is heard while the altar with 'Care' on it is lit. People stop applause and the they start to applause and cheer even more (!?) Then pyrotechs and fireworks begin.


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #6132320 - 10/04/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Alexander Shulgin was an invitee to Bohemian Grove.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6132496 - 10/04/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Get the most powerful men in the world in one spot, and you think it is summer camp? I'm not buying that for a second...




what part of "To say that NOTHING inappropriate takes place, or that NOTHING political takes place, would deem you as a complete fool, drowning in ignorance and perhaps apathy." wasn't clear?


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: uber_aj]
    #6132514 - 10/04/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't know how real the Bohemian Grove is, and the loose connection to Molech from the Old Testament doesn't mean shit unless you are a Christian or Jew. The Jews of the OT said everyone was practising witchcraft and sorcery, was an evil "pagan," and did all this horrible shit. The rituals Jones described could just be a reenactment of Hosea 13:16 when god rips opern pregant women and smashes their feti on rocks for not giving sacrifice to Yaweh.



That post is a bunch nonsense, illogical, and attempting to make a connection that isn't there. But I'm not wasting time over it.


Anyways...
Afaik, there were 2 Molechs, one as a bull, and one as an owl. One was used by the Babylonians, the other by the Cannanites.

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    #6133047 - 10/04/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

who used the owl? babylonians?

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Vvellum]
    #6133275 - 10/04/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Get the most powerful men in the world in one spot, and you think it is summer camp? I'm not buying that for a second...




Sadly the you don't understand thats its not JUST the rich and MOST powerful. There are many people who are in it because the membership was passed down from generation. They are mostly rich white people, although I have seen a Chinese man, a black... maybe once... The point is, its not that its NOT about politics, its more that its not SOME WORLD CONSPIRACY that people like Alex Jones make it out to be. Jones is an alarmist, he makes his money by trying to make the world look evil.
The grove is extremely Conservative although there are a couple members who are of a more leftist view point. And the cremation of care is a performance, much like the others that they do. They do other shows by various famous writers who have been members there. It is like a camp. Take it or leave it, the owl is still fun to climb on.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6134012 - 10/04/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well since you claim to have been there, I might as well state that I've been there too. I must say that your take on it is at odds with my experiences. Alex Jones is more right than you are willing to admit. 'Conservative' and 'leftist' are labels for public consumption, the people at Bohemian Grove are concerned with POWER. That they should play the conservative card or the leftist card is wholly a matter of what they perceive will be to their best advantage given their circumstances. In the end, power grabs from both the left and right are meant to pull power closer to those doing the grabbing, nothing more.


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    #6134513 - 10/04/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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its NOT about politics




so if you were to gather a large number of men rich from playing sports... would it be so odd to think they would discuss sports?

What if you gathered a large number of people who made their fortunes in computers.. wouldn't you expect them to talk about computers at some point?

So to consider that gathering people together that affect the world via media and politics.. and then that they don't even discuss those topics... well I don't care how many times you've climbed the owl. Just because I can climb a tree doesn't mean I understand how a forest works.


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    #6134519 - 10/04/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

My point was that many of the people have no power. They work at jobs that grant them no power whatsoever. Yes some are of a high powerful status, but a large amount are not. I am willing to admit anything if its rational. Take it or leave it.

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    #6134539 - 10/04/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I misspoke when i said "its NOT about politics" I was trying to emphasize the fact that the globalist theory, the elite agenda, is not the main reason they go.

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    #6134737 - 10/04/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So, what shocks me the most is how concerned this makes some people.

Even if we were to believe that the goings on at Bohemian Grove are a deliberate attempt to control the world, hasn't it occurred to any of you that the "Grove Crew" is doing an awful job at trying to control everything?

You would think they wouldn't have missed out on the whole "internet" thing, but they did. You would also think they wouldn't have allowed so many third-world autocrats to control the world's oil...but they did.

You would think their retail empires would have stood up to Walmart and Target, but they didn't. You would also think that they would be the ones whose software was installed on all the computers in the world...too bad they missed that one too.

Frankly, even if the worst "nightmare" scenario about globalists and internationalists was 100% completely true, I wouldn't be too bothered, because the lot of them are clearly too incompetent to complete the job.

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    #6135310 - 10/05/06 03:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You would also think they wouldn't have allowed so many third-world autocrats to control the world's oil...but they did.


Obviously, you fail to see that they found oil arrangements with most third-world autocrats, those they didn't install themselves, that is. Their problem is with third-world democrats controlling large oil reserves, like Chavez (other names evade me, I must admit). They had great arrangements with the Shah in Iran until he got ousted, with Saddam until he got nasty, they still have great arrangements with the Saudis, name it... They do have trouble with the Iranian mollahs, whose democratic score isn't that great, but still better than the Shah's.

Let's not make this a discussion about Chavez, not even about oil countries. This was just a side issue, but I couldn't let you imply that US power has trouble with autocrats controlling oil just because they're autocrats. In your definition (which is the official one of US power), an autocrat is just an independent leader of a foreign country. US power has trouble with anyone who wishes to cash in on their national resources and refuses to sell them out to the lone superpower, be they autocrats or democrats.

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    #6135723 - 10/05/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If you have been there like you claim, why the hell should we believe you. You maybe in on it all! :tinfoil:


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    #6135764 - 10/05/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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If you have been there like you claim, why the hell should we believe you. You maybe in on it all! :tinfoil:




haha now theres the conspiracy-theorist mindset I was overlooking..  :cool:  kudos


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6136707 - 10/05/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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My point was that many of the people have no power. They work at jobs that grant them no power whatsoever. Yes some are of a high powerful status, but a large amount are not. I am willing to admit anything if its rational. Take it or leave it.




Ive seen a pic of the members list(cant remember where i saw it) and there are powerfull people there, plenty of them.





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    #6136789 - 10/05/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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    #6136902 - 10/05/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

True there are many important people there, including good old Clint Eastwood. They have many writers, poets as well.

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    #6138315 - 10/05/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Obviously, you fail to see that they found oil arrangements with most third-world autocrats, those they didn't install themselves, that is. Their problem is with third-world democrats controlling large oil reserves, like Chavez (other names evade me, I must admit). They had great arrangements with the Shah in Iran until he got ousted, with Saddam until he got nasty, they still have great arrangements with the Saudis, name it... They do have trouble with the Iranian mollahs, whose democratic score isn't that great, but still better than the Shah's.



If you think that Chavez is the result of true democracy, you're kidding yourself. I'm not talking about election fraud either, I'm talking about his restrictions on the media, and his use of state police power to intimidate opponents.

Also, I'm curious to know what part Bohemian Grove played in helping Putin come to power. He's definitely an autocrat, he's sitting on a lot of oil. Also in the list of top 15 oil producing nations, we've got Nigeria and China, shining examples of democracy, aren't they?

Infact, if we look at how much oil Bohemian Grove potentially controls, assuming most-extreme-conspiracy-scenario, out of the top 15 oil producing countries, they control US, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and we'll even give them credit for Iraq.

The only problem is, that accounts for less than 40% global oil production (39% using 2004 figures).

So, again, I don't really understand what the problem is with Bohemian Grove. Even if they are plotting to take over the world, they're REALLY REALLY bad at it. Like, Dr. Evil-esque. They haven't been able to hold on to global oil control (Rockefeller ALONE controlled more than 40% of global oil production at the start of the century), they've missed out on REALLY big trends, like, you know, the internet.

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In your definition (which is the official one of US power), an autocrat is just an independent leader of a foreign country.



Really? Can you link me to where I said this was my definition?

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    #6140059 - 10/06/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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If you think that Chavez is the result of true democracy, you're kidding yourself. I'm not talking about election fraud either, I'm talking about his restrictions on the media, and his use of state police power to intimidate opponents.






Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't people from the US use his own country's media as a springboard for a coup against him? I don't care what country your from, your not going to allow your own media to be used as a tool to overthrow the govt. Remember lincon? Or was his govt not a "true democracy" either?


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    #6140436 - 10/06/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the US was never a true democracy. We are a republic. There are very few examples of true democracy in all of history.

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    #6140610 - 10/06/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't people from the US use his own country's media as a springboard for a coup against him?


Exactly, and even after that, not one media outlet was shut down, not a single journalist was jailed, nothing. But still Chavez is a dictator who cuts down on freedom of expression, as everyone knows or, at least, guesses.

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Really? Can you link me to where I said this was my definition?


No, I can't. Obviously, you never said that. I'm the one who said that. Am I entitled to?
I was not stating a fact, I was editorializing (although I suspect I hit close to home).

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    #6140927 - 10/06/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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No, I can't. Obviously, you never said that. I'm the one who said that. Am I entitled to?
I was not stating a fact, I was editorializing (although I suspect I hit close to home).



You didn't hit close to home, more like "close to a nerve". For some reason many on this forum assume that because I don't believe in most leftist causes (socialism, medicare, a vast right wing conspiracy, etc.) that I must completely agree with either the Republicans or some part of the US government.

The reality is that I've always been a Libertarian, and I care about economic issues a hell of a lot more than social ones, hence my disagreement with a lot of the left.

To me, an autocrat is someone (an idividual) who uses the power of the government in order to gain control over a state, above and beyond mere rhetoric (i.e. Chavez making seizures at TV stations, or Putin ordering the break up of Yukos). Their relations with the US have nothing to do with my use of the term.

At any rate, the point I've been trying to make in this thread (and someone please jump in with a challenge) is that the Bohemian Grove group does not seem to be very good at controlling the world, even if you assume that the most extreme conspiracy theories are true.

If their goal really is world government, they're a lot farther from it now than they were just 50 years ago, and even farther than they were 30 years before that. They seem to lack any competence at all in making predictions about the future, like why did a college dropout see the whole "information age" coming, and none of them did? Why have the traditional retail outlets (which were founded by friends of Rockefeller and JP Morgan) lost ground to Walmart and Target?

Even if you look at the situation of the banking world, Bohemian Grove doesn't look so good. Daiwa Securities, Mizuho Securities, and Nomura Securities are all Japanese institutions that work directly with the Federal Reserve, and yet none of them have ties to Bohemian Grove. How can Bohemian Grove be even remotely competent and have lost major control over aspects of the US Banking system?

When you consider the world banking system, the situation is even worse. Why has Bohemian Grove allowed the Bank of China and the financial institutions of Hong Kong (let alone those of Japan and South Korea) to run unchecked? A century ago, the US and Europe ran Asia, now Asian banks run parts of the American Economy!

(note: I don't think that's a bad thing, I'm just making a point)

So, why be worried about Bohemian Grove? Even if the theories about them are true, they clearly aren't competent enough to achieve their goals.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Economist]
    #6141002 - 10/06/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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So, why be worried about Bohemian Grove? Even if the theories about them are true, they clearly aren't competent enough to achieve their goals.





How in the hell could you know if they aren't competent enough to achieve their goals anyway? Nixon, Regan, Carter, Bush father and son have all been apart of this place, are you suggesting those people failed to achieve their goals?

An organization's success is determined by the success of their members. Ultimately every organization is just people, if those people succeed the group succeeds. I'd say whatever group the people of this "grove" belong to have succeeded immensely in achieving their goals.


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    #6141049 - 10/06/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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An organization's success is determined by the success of their members. Ultimately every organization is just people, if those people succeed the group succeeds. I'd say whatever group the people of this "grove" belong to have succeeded immensely in achieving their goals.



Unless they have a common goal of creating a world government (which is the claim made by Bohemian Grove conspiracy literature).

They have not reached this goal at all, and they are farther from it today than they were several decades ago.

The success of individual members of an organization does not matter if the organization as a whole fails. If Walmart goes out of business, does it matter if a cashier working for them somewhere wins the lottery?

Look at Enron. Many high ranking members of Enron were extremely successful business people, and did very well for themselves in non-Enron ventures. However, their Enron related goals were completely missed and the organization failed.

If Bohemian Grove exists to serve some nefarious end (i.e. World Government) then it is clearly not achieving that end, even if individual members are enjoying individual success.

If on the other hand, Bohemian Grove exists simply as a group of friends who help simply each other to achieve individual goals, then why be concerned? There are dozens of organizations of that type (similar minded people who work together to achieve individual goals). So why worry if one just happens to have had more success than others? Surely there are smaller examples of Bohemian Grove type organizations help individuals to achieve their own goals: the NAACP comes to mind.

So why worry about it?

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    #6141084 - 10/06/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Unless they have a common goal of creating a world government




Doing such a thing is nearly impossible I would imagine. So it would take a very, very long time to pull it off. For all we know, they could have made great strides in doing so, but yet still be far away from their ultimate goal. Making great strides in such an undertaking would be considered massively successful to anyone who is capable of objectively looking such matters.

What if their goal was 1st complete control of the US political will and commerce? One could argue this has already been accomplished. But your so quick to debunk anything that doesn't come from the horses mouth you deprive yourself of the ability to consider all possibilities.


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    #6141091 - 10/06/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Almost anything could be possible, but being possible isn't even close to being probably or actually happening.

IF the goal is a world gov't, they're doing an awful job at it. Nationalism is as high as it has ever been worldwide in the history of statehood.

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    #6141161 - 10/06/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What if their goal was 1st complete control of the US political will and commerce? One could argue this has already been accomplished.



But that's just my point: they haven't. If they have complete control over US commerce, why have three Japanese firms (of which there is no representation at Bohemian Grove) been brought in as Primary Dealers to the US Federal Reserve system? Mizuho was even introduced after 2001.

How can Bohemian Grove have complete control over US commerce when Japanese influence over the banking system has grown since 2001? Or how about Walmart and Target, don't they make up a significant portion of US commerce? Microsoft, Apple, Intel? How can Bohemian Grove truly control commerce if they don't have any hand in these institutions?

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But your so quick to debunk anything that doesn't come from the horses mouth you deprive yourself of the ability to consider all possibilities.



No, I'm just asking questions, and I have yet to recieve answers.

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    #6141246 - 10/06/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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An organization's success is determined by the success of their members. Ultimately every organization is just people, if those people succeed the group succeeds. I'd say whatever group the people of this "grove" belong to have succeeded immensely in achieving their goals.



Unless they have a common goal of creating a world government (which is the claim made by Bohemian Grove conspiracy literature).

They have not reached this goal at all, and they are farther from it today than they were several decades ago.

The success of individual members of an organization does not matter if the organization as a whole fails.  If Walmart goes out of business, does it matter if a cashier working for them somewhere wins the lottery?

Look at Enron.  Many high ranking members of Enron were extremely successful business people, and did very well for themselves in non-Enron ventures.  However, their Enron related goals were completely missed and the organization failed.

If Bohemian Grove exists to serve some nefarious end (i.e. World Government) then it is clearly not achieving that end, even if individual members are enjoying individual success.

If on the other hand, Bohemian Grove exists simply as a group of friends who help simply each other to achieve individual goals, then why be concerned?  There are dozens of organizations of that type (similar minded people who work together to achieve individual goals).  So why worry if one just happens to have had more success than others?  Surely there are smaller examples of Bohemian Grove type organizations help individuals to achieve their own goals: the NAACP comes to mind.

So why worry about it?




Several decades ago there was no European Union. Now we have the EU and soon the North American Union. Serbia,Iraq,North Korea,Iran,Afghanistan,Pakistan. What all these countries have in common? They where not under the central banking system. Oh they also all got invaded,overthrown, wind up leaders, and useful idiots with extremist views put in place. :rolleyes: That especially goes for Iran. Getting us all lined up for a world currency,a Fiat one.They will make the dollar crash(happening right now with Bernanke printing money like it's going out of style) and push the Amero on us or whatever they plan to call it. Asia i don't know how they intended to do that.

I will say i agree think the Bohemian Grove has little to do with this.It is a club where all the low level pawns of this NWO plan get together.The thing is those low level pawns are called presidents! You have to look to the CFR,Bilderberg group which leads to the Rothschild's at the top of the Pyramid.

Consider this

"Morton (1962) noted that the Rothschild wealth was estimated at over $6 billion US in 1850. Not a significant amount in today's dollars; however, consider the potential future value compounded over 147 years!

Taking $6 billion (and assuming no erosion of the wealth base) and compounding that figure at various returns on investment (a conservative range of 4% to 8%) would suggest the following net worth of the Rothschild family enterprise:

$1.9 trillion US (@ 4%)
$7.8 trillion US (@ 5%)
$31.5 trillion US (@ 6%)
$125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%)
$491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%)"

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    #6141258 - 10/06/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Oh yes i forgot every president that has taken or tried to take the power away from the banks has been killed. :laugh:


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    #6141391 - 10/06/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Several decades ago there was no European Union.



The European Union developed slowly over the course of 50 years ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/europe/04/enlarging_europe/html/eu_expansion.stm ).

They did it through open debate, and everyone saw it coming. Are you trying to suggest that it no one saw it coming? (Note: I'm not trying to be a jerk, I really don't understand this point)

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Now we have the EU and soon the North American Union.



I know there are people who might want a North American Union, but do you have anything to show that it's going to happen soon?

Last I checked we couldn't even get CAFTA to truly include Free Trade, and the FTAA is completely in the toilet. In light of those developments I find it very hard to believe that we're suddenly going to be living under a far more expansive and encompassing agreement.

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Serbia,Iraq,North Korea,Iran,Afghanistan,Pakistan. What all these countries have in common? They where not under the central banking system. Oh they also all got invaded,overthrown, wind up leaders, and useful idiots with extremist views put in place. That especially goes for Iran.



But what about China, India, Japan, South Korea and the Philippines?

They weren't under any central banking systems except for their own, and now they've done so well that many of them are buying into the US banking system (see the Japanese firms I listed in above posts).

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Getting us all lined up for a world currency,a Fiat one.



Really, is there evidence this is already happening?

Last I checked the EU couldn't even get Britain to join the Euro. This was despite the fact that all the big Bohemian Grove players at the turn of the last century were intimately involved with British Banks. (Check out how JP Morgan got his start)

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They will make the dollar crash(happening right now with Bernanke printing money like it's going out of style) and push the Amero on us or whatever they plan to call it.



Again, proof?

Bernanke has maintained the Federal Funds rate. In order to be "printing money like its going out of style" he'd have to be lowering the rate.

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Consider this

"Morton (1962) noted that the Rothschild wealth was estimated at over $6 billion US in 1850. Not a significant amount in today's dollars; however, consider the potential future value compounded over 147 years!

Taking $6 billion (and assuming no erosion of the wealth base) and compounding that figure at various returns on investment (a conservative range of 4% to 8%) would suggest the following net worth of the Rothschild family enterprise:

$1.9 trillion US (@ 4%)
$7.8 trillion US (@ 5%)
$31.5 trillion US (@ 6%)
$125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%)
$491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%)"



Right, except where were the Rothchild's chief branches?
Austria
France
Italy
London

How many of those nations didn't suffer massive devastation and loss of capital, plus a currency revaluation during the two World Wars?

None of them.

Infact, it's even documented that the Rothschilds had to surrender all of their Austrain assets to the Nazis, even the conspiracy theorists don't deny this ( http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FinalWarn01-4 ). So, the above calculation is probably meaningless, especially given how much money the Rothschilds would have been likely to invest in Austria and Germany, which couldn't have been recouped even after the wars were over.

Also, as for the Presidents who took power away from the bankers being killed: What about Teddy Roosevelt (expanded the power of the Interstate Commerce Commission, broke up Northern Securities Trust)? Or FDR (Threatened to pack the Supreme Court unless they interpreted the commerce clause to allow the Federal Government to regulate *everything*)?

I'd even suggest Woodrow Wilson, as the Federal Reserve Act that was passed included several changes he suggested personally, and that American bankers at the time were against (reserve requirements, political appointment powers).

You can disagree with me on Wilson, but that would still leave the Roosevelts.

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    #6141548 - 10/06/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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why have three Japanese firms (of which there is no representation at Bohemian Grove) been brought in as Primary Dealers to the US Federal Reserve system?






how far you wanna go with this?  :grin:


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Economist]
    #6141812 - 10/06/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Several decades ago there was no European Union.



The European Union developed slowly over the course of 50 years ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/europe/04/enlarging_europe/html/eu_expansion.stm[/url
They did it through open debate, and everyone saw it coming.  Are you trying to suggest that it no one saw it coming? (Note: I'm not trying to be a jerk, I really don't understand this point)




It came to be. That is all i was trying to say, certainly a small step towards World Government

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Now we have the EU and soon the North American Union.



I know there are people who might want a North American Union, but do you have anything to show that it's going to happen soon?

Last I checked we couldn't even get CAFTA to truly include Free Trade, and the FTAA is completely in the toilet.  In light of those developments I find it very hard to believe that we're suddenly going to be living under a far more expansive and encompassing agreement.




To be honest i don't know how they intended to accomplish this. They seem pretty set on 2010.
[url=http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_a_north_american_community.html]http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_a_north_american_community.html


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Serbia,Iraq,North Korea,Iran,Afghanistan,Pakistan. What all these countries have in common? They where not under the central banking system. Oh they also all got invaded,overthrown, wind up leaders, and useful idiots with extremist views put in place. That especially goes for Iran.



But what about China, India, Japan, South Korea and the Philippines?

They weren't under any central banking systems except for their own, and now they've done so well that many of them are buying into the US banking system (see the Japanese firms I listed in above posts).




Ok, you just stomped me on this one.There must be something to it.


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Getting us all lined up for a world currency,a Fiat one.



Really, is there evidence this is already happening?

Last I checked the EU couldn't even get Britain to join the Euro.  This was despite the fact that all the big Bohemian Grove players at the turn of the last century were intimately involved with British Banks.  (Check out how JP Morgan got his start)




Isn't the evidence the forming of these Unions?The Trilateral Commission say the want the European,American,and Asian union. If and when they get all of them together.Gain control with a global benchmark to stop fluctuations. Then could manipulate each currency against each other,and suggest  one currency.




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They will make the dollar crash(happening right now with Bernanke printing money like it's going out of style) and push the Amero on us or whatever they plan to call it.



Again, proof?

Bernanke has maintained the Federal Funds rate.  In order to be "printing money like its going out of style" he'd have to be lowering the rate.




My mistake I was thinking of his helicopters comment. :confused:



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Consider this

"Morton (1962) noted that the Rothschild wealth was estimated at over $6 billion US in 1850. Not a significant amount in today's dollars; however, consider the potential future value compounded over 147 years!

Taking $6 billion (and assuming no erosion of the wealth base) and compounding that figure at various returns on investment (a conservative range of 4% to 8%) would suggest the following net worth of the Rothschild family enterprise:

$1.9 trillion US (@ 4%)
$7.8 trillion US (@ 5%)
$31.5 trillion US (@ 6%)
$125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%)
$491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%)"



Right, except where were the Rothchild's chief branches?
Austria
France
Italy
London

How many of those nations didn't suffer massive devastation and loss of capital, plus a currency revaluation during the two World Wars?

None of them.

Infact, it's even documented that the Rothschilds had to surrender all of their Austrain assets to the Nazis, even the conspiracy theorists don't deny this ( http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FinalWarn01-4 ).  So, the above calculation is probably meaningless, especially given how much money the Rothschilds would have been likely to invest in Austria and Germany, which couldn't have been recouped even after the wars were over.





By that time would they have enough money to control everything?Given their history of financing all sides of a war. It's not beyond reason that they did the same when they had even more control.Especially when there are traces of them in everything pertinent to war profiteering.

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewcommentary.php?storyid=121


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Also, as for the Presidents who took power away from the bankers being killed: What about Teddy Roosevelt (expanded the power of the Interstate Commerce Commission, broke up Northern Securities Trust)?  Or FDR (Threatened to pack the Supreme Court unless they interpreted the commerce clause to allow the Federal Government to regulate *everything*)?

I'd even suggest Woodrow Wilson, as the Federal Reserve Act that was passed included several changes he suggested personally, and that American bankers at the time were against (reserve requirements, political appointment powers).

You can disagree with me on Wilson, but that would still leave the Roosevelts.




Sorry i should have been clear i meant Print money.

Lincoln GreenBacks?

Reissuing Lincoln Greenbacks?

"1861: President Abraham Lincoln (16th President of the United States from 1860 till his assassination in 1865) approaches the Rothschilds to try to obtain loans to support the ongoing American civil war.

The Rothschilds agree provided Lincoln allows them a Charter for another United States central bank and are prepared to pay 24% to 36% interest on all monies loaned.

Lincoln was very angry about this high level of interest and so he printed his own debt free money and informed the public that this was now legal tender for both public and private debts.

1862: By April $449,338,902 worth of Lincoln’s debt free money had been printed and distributed. He went on to state,

“We gave the people of this republic the greatest blessing they ever had, their own paper money to pay their own debts.”


That same year The Times of London publishes A story containing the following statement,
“If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of civilized governments of the world.

The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”


865: In a statement to Congress, President Abraham Lincoln states,

“I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the financial institution in the rear. Of the two, the one in my rear is my greatest foe.”

Later that year President Lincoln is assassinated.


1881: President James A. Garfield (The 20th President of the United States who lasted only 100 Days) states two weeks before he was assassinated,

“Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6141923 - 10/06/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Err i think i messed up the page. Anyone know how i can multi qoute and not mess with the width?

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    #6142142 - 10/07/06 12:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

are you insinuating that Charles J. Guiteau and John Wilkes Booth were assassins for the Rothschilds?

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: kotik]
    #6142426 - 10/07/06 02:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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why have three Japanese firms (of which there is no representation at Bohemian Grove) been brought in as Primary Dealers to the US Federal Reserve system?






how far you wanna go with this?  :grin:




LOL, you win  :grin:

@buckwheat

VERY interesting.  I spent a lot of time studying the development of banking in America, but mostly from the aspect of JP Morgan and crew (from a contemporary standpoint they seemed to have a gift for managing the money supply, something we need complex equations to esitmate today).  I've come across some Rothschild stuff in the process (it would be hard not to), but it looks like I have some reading to do.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Economist]
    #6142478 - 10/07/06 04:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I've come across some Rothschild stuff in the process (it would be hard not to), but it looks like I have some reading to do.




the Rothschild family is FASCINATING.  He started his 5 sons out with intentions to start an empire.  They developed their own language and alphabet, so no one could know what they wrote / said.  They also practiced inter-marriage to protect family secrets.  Rothscild is one of those names you don't see in the Forbes richest family list.. because they don't want to be listed  :grin:


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