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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6131491 - 10/04/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

cocconut grove wha what?

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6131573 - 10/04/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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To speculate, for even a second, what the most elite class of the world does for fun, or what they find entertaining... would be quite a speculation to say the least.

If anyone is interested enough to speculate, the least you can do is review unbiased AND biased reviews. In actuality, it seems to be a mixture of both fun / business. The grove is divided into many different camps, and some camps are guarded by secret service to block others within the grove, but from different camps.

This illustrates more of an adult summer-camp (or even a burning-man for rich old white men) than anything else, however instead of sneaking in dirty magazines and weed, you might imagine how some of the more wealthy, and say.. spoiled elite may behave. To say that NOTHING inappropriate takes place, or that NOTHING political takes place, would deem you as a complete fool, drowning in ignorance and perhaps apathy. I can't say either way what the true intentions are, but these people don't get to where they are at, by ignoring each others positions and having fun, they build connections and talk business as a living.




Thats like 99% perfect. "This illustrates more of an adult summer-camp (or even a burning-man for rich old white men)"

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6131696 - 10/04/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Get the most powerful men in the world in one spot, and you think it is summer camp? I'm not buying that for a second...


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6131772 - 10/04/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

'cremation of care'
They say, it is just for 14 days.
Perhaps it's for the whole year ?
Perhaps those participating are not aware of that ?

I wonder, why 'care' at the ceremony has such a dark and evil voice...

I imagine, hundred years ago, when there was a live orchestra and real singers. That would have been spooky :wink:

Why have the 'wold/economic leaders' have to attain the ceremony ? They were those with the robes... Is that some kind of initiation ?

I look, perhaps I will filter out the text of the ceremony. One could get some insights regarding the 'lyrics'...


edit: here we go, if anyone 'cares' :grin: Feel free to add or correct anything you want. Perhaps I will open a thread in P&S about his, or better in MR&P ? If anyone wants to do that, please feel free to do so.

Problems: Bad to understand. I wrote it from the screen of the google video and perhaps Alex Jones had some few misunderstandings somewhere. Bad punctuations. Also it was hard to differ if only one priest spoke or if there sometimes was another who did.
Another difficulty is to see what actually happens, because it is from a hidden cam and sometimes quite out of focus or angel.

- Goienng (little chinese gong)

Priest: The Owl is in His leafy temple. Let all within the Grove be reverent before Him. Lift up your heads, oh ye trees and be ye lifted  up ye everlasting spires for behold ! Here is Bohemia's shrine and holy are the pillars of this house.

- Goienng

Priest: Weaving spiders come not here !

- Goienng

Guys with torches march in towards the altar. In their middle someone in a white robe.

Priest: Hail Bohemians ! With the ripple of waters, the song of birds such music as inspires the sinking soul, do we invite you into Midsummer's joy. The sky above is blue and sown with stars. The forest floor is heaped with fragrant grit. The evening's cool kiss is yours. The campfires glow... The birth of rosy fingered dawn. Shake off your sorrows with the city's dust and cast to the winds the cares of life. But memories bring back the well-loved names of gallant friends, who knew and loved this grove, dear boon companions of long ago.

Priest: Aye ! Let them join us in this ritual! And not a place be empty in our midst.

Priest: All of his battles to hold in this gray autumn of the world or in the springtime of your heart. Attend our tale. Gather ye forest folk and cast your spell over these mortals ! Touch their world-blind eyes with carrion. Open their eyes for fancy. Follow the memories of yesterday and seal the gates of sorrow. It is a dream and yet, not all a dream. Dull Care in all of his works harbored it. As vanished Babylon and goodly Tyre, so shall they also vanish. But the wilding rose blows on the broken battlements of Tyre, and moss rends the stones of Babylon. For beauty is eternal and we bow to beauty everlasting. For lasting happiness, we turn to one alone...as She surrounds you now. Great Nature...Refuge of the weary heart. And only found Her breasts that had been bruised. She has cool hands for every fevered brow and dreadless silence for the troubled soul. Her councils are most wise. She healeth well having such ministries as calm and sleep. She is ever faithful. Other friends may fail, but seek ye Her in any quiet place, smiling. She will rise and give to you Her kiss, so must ye  come as children. Little children that believe don't ever doubt her beauty of (I did hear and) her faith nor deem Her tenderness can change or die.

Music

she is brought in front of the altar

priest: Bohemians and Priests ! The desperate call of heavy hearts is answered ! By the power of your fellowship Dull Care is slain !

People applauding and 'yeah'ing

priest: His body has been brought yonder to our funeral pyre to the joyous pipings of a funeral march.

crowd laughing (?)

priest: Our funeral pyre awaits the corpse of care !

music. A boat with bond 'Care' on it, arrives.

priest: Oh Thou, thus ferried across the shadowy tide in all the ancient majesty of death...Dull Care, ardent enemy of beauty, not for Thee the...forgiveness or the restful grave, fire shall have its will of Thee, and all the winds make merry with Thy dust ! Bring fire !

Crowd cheering. Some (other ?) guys with torches come to the altar. They carry something, that looks like a flame. Hmmm it seems like a flame, then they carry something similar away (wtf ? :-)) Perhaps they deliver 'Care' here ?
Crazy laughter (from the 'off'' ?) as they place it on the altar.

Bad (angry/violent/mighty/powerful ?) voice ( Care ?): Fools !

Explosion.

voice: Fools ! When will ye learn that me ye cannot slay ? Year after year ye burn me in this grove...Lifting your puny shouts of triumph to the stars, when again ye turn your faces to the marketplace, do ye not find me waiting, as of old ? Fools ! Fools ! Fools to dream ye conquer care !

Priest: Say thou mocking spirit. It is not all a dream. We know Thou waiteth for us, when this our sylvan holiday has ended. We shall meet Thee and fight Thee as of old and some of us prevail against Thee an some Thou shalt destroy. But this, too, wee know, year after year within this happy grove, our fellowship nabs Thee for a space, thine malevolence which would pursue us here has lost its power under These friendly trees. So shall we burn Thee once again this night and, with the flames that eat Thine effigy, we shall read the sign. Midsummer sets us free !

voice: Ye shall burn me once again ?

Crazy evil laughter

voice: Not with these flames, which hither ye have brought from regions where I reign...ye fools and priests. I spit upon your fire !

pyrotechnical comet coming from the sky and hits somewhere out of the field of sight of the cam (Alex you fool ! :-))
People are excited and applaud

priest: Oh Owl ! Prince of all mortal wisdom, Owl of Bohemia, we beseech thee, grant us Thy council.

music

music continues and (Smooth bass male) Singing (Bohemia, the Owl): No fire...no fire...no fire...unless it be kindled in the world where care is nourished on the hates of men and drive Him from this grove. One flame alone must light this fire. One flame alone must light this fire. A pure, eternal flame. A pure, eternal flame. At last, within the lamp of fellowship upon the altar of Bohemia.

Priest: Oh, great Owl of Bohemia ! We thank Thee for Thy adoration !

Something happening with still music.

Priest: Be gone detested Care ! Be gone. Once more, we banish Thee. - music stops - Be gone Dull Care ! Fire shall have its will of Thee ! Be gone Dull Care ! And all the winds make merry with Thy dust ! Hail fellowship's eternal flame ! Once again, Midsummer sets us free !

People little applaud. Then a bad cry or scream in hurt is heard while the altar with 'Care' on it is lit. People stop applause and the they start to applause and cheer even more (!?) Then pyrotechs and fireworks begin.


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Edited by BlueCoyote (10/04/06 12:36 PM)

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #6132320 - 10/04/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Alexander Shulgin was an invitee to Bohemian Grove.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6132496 - 10/04/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
Get the most powerful men in the world in one spot, and you think it is summer camp? I'm not buying that for a second...




what part of "To say that NOTHING inappropriate takes place, or that NOTHING political takes place, would deem you as a complete fool, drowning in ignorance and perhaps apathy." wasn't clear?


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: uber_aj]
    #6132514 - 10/04/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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uber_aj said:
I don't know how real the Bohemian Grove is, and the loose connection to Molech from the Old Testament doesn't mean shit unless you are a Christian or Jew. The Jews of the OT said everyone was practising witchcraft and sorcery, was an evil "pagan," and did all this horrible shit. The rituals Jones described could just be a reenactment of Hosea 13:16 when god rips opern pregant women and smashes their feti on rocks for not giving sacrifice to Yaweh.



That post is a bunch nonsense, illogical, and attempting to make a connection that isn't there. But I'm not wasting time over it.


Anyways...
Afaik, there were 2 Molechs, one as a bull, and one as an owl. One was used by the Babylonians, the other by the Cannanites.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Disco Cat]
    #6133047 - 10/04/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

who used the owl? babylonians?

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Vvellum]
    #6133275 - 10/04/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Get the most powerful men in the world in one spot, and you think it is summer camp? I'm not buying that for a second...




Sadly the you don't understand thats its not JUST the rich and MOST powerful. There are many people who are in it because the membership was passed down from generation. They are mostly rich white people, although I have seen a Chinese man, a black... maybe once... The point is, its not that its NOT about politics, its more that its not SOME WORLD CONSPIRACY that people like Alex Jones make it out to be. Jones is an alarmist, he makes his money by trying to make the world look evil.
The grove is extremely Conservative although there are a couple members who are of a more leftist view point. And the cremation of care is a performance, much like the others that they do. They do other shows by various famous writers who have been members there. It is like a camp. Take it or leave it, the owl is still fun to climb on.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6134012 - 10/04/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well since you claim to have been there, I might as well state that I've been there too. I must say that your take on it is at odds with my experiences. Alex Jones is more right than you are willing to admit. 'Conservative' and 'leftist' are labels for public consumption, the people at Bohemian Grove are concerned with POWER. That they should play the conservative card or the leftist card is wholly a matter of what they perceive will be to their best advantage given their circumstances. In the end, power grabs from both the left and right are meant to pull power closer to those doing the grabbing, nothing more.


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6134513 - 10/04/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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telltale13 said:
its NOT about politics




so if you were to gather a large number of men rich from playing sports... would it be so odd to think they would discuss sports?

What if you gathered a large number of people who made their fortunes in computers.. wouldn't you expect them to talk about computers at some point?

So to consider that gathering people together that affect the world via media and politics.. and then that they don't even discuss those topics... well I don't care how many times you've climbed the owl. Just because I can climb a tree doesn't mean I understand how a forest works.


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6134519 - 10/04/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

My point was that many of the people have no power. They work at jobs that grant them no power whatsoever. Yes some are of a high powerful status, but a large amount are not. I am willing to admit anything if its rational. Take it or leave it.

Edited by telltale13 (10/04/06 10:29 PM)

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6134539 - 10/04/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I misspoke when i said "its NOT about politics" I was trying to emphasize the fact that the globalist theory, the elite agenda, is not the main reason they go.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: kotik]
    #6134737 - 10/04/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So, what shocks me the most is how concerned this makes some people.

Even if we were to believe that the goings on at Bohemian Grove are a deliberate attempt to control the world, hasn't it occurred to any of you that the "Grove Crew" is doing an awful job at trying to control everything?

You would think they wouldn't have missed out on the whole "internet" thing, but they did. You would also think they wouldn't have allowed so many third-world autocrats to control the world's oil...but they did.

You would think their retail empires would have stood up to Walmart and Target, but they didn't. You would also think that they would be the ones whose software was installed on all the computers in the world...too bad they missed that one too.

Frankly, even if the worst "nightmare" scenario about globalists and internationalists was 100% completely true, I wouldn't be too bothered, because the lot of them are clearly too incompetent to complete the job.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Economist]
    #6135310 - 10/05/06 03:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Economist said:
You would also think they wouldn't have allowed so many third-world autocrats to control the world's oil...but they did.


Obviously, you fail to see that they found oil arrangements with most third-world autocrats, those they didn't install themselves, that is. Their problem is with third-world democrats controlling large oil reserves, like Chavez (other names evade me, I must admit). They had great arrangements with the Shah in Iran until he got ousted, with Saddam until he got nasty, they still have great arrangements with the Saudis, name it... They do have trouble with the Iranian mollahs, whose democratic score isn't that great, but still better than the Shah's.

Let's not make this a discussion about Chavez, not even about oil countries. This was just a side issue, but I couldn't let you imply that US power has trouble with autocrats controlling oil just because they're autocrats. In your definition (which is the official one of US power), an autocrat is just an independent leader of a foreign country. US power has trouble with anyone who wishes to cash in on their national resources and refuses to sell them out to the lone superpower, be they autocrats or democrats.

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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6135723 - 10/05/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If you have been there like you claim, why the hell should we believe you. You maybe in on it all! :tinfoil:


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6135764 - 10/05/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
If you have been there like you claim, why the hell should we believe you. You maybe in on it all! :tinfoil:




haha now theres the conspiracy-theorist mindset I was overlooking..  :cool:  kudos


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: telltale13]
    #6136707 - 10/05/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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telltale13 said:
My point was that many of the people have no power. They work at jobs that grant them no power whatsoever. Yes some are of a high powerful status, but a large amount are not. I am willing to admit anything if its rational. Take it or leave it.




Ive seen a pic of the members list(cant remember where i saw it) and there are powerfull people there, plenty of them.





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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6136789 - 10/05/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Alan Greenspan 1984 enroute to BG


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Re: Bohemian Grove [Re: buckwheat]
    #6136902 - 10/05/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

True there are many important people there, including good old Clint Eastwood. They have many writers, poets as well.

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