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Foley Leaves In Hurry
    #6117986 - 09/30/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Fox News

Former Rep. Mark Foley Leaves D.C. in Hurry After E-Mail Scandal
Saturday, September 30, 2006

WASHINGTON — This time there were no tortured explanations, no heels dug in, no long, slow drip of revelation or fight for redemption.

Republican Rep. Mark Foley, of Florida, just up and quit after his e-mails expressing undue interest in a 16-year-old male page were exposed to the nation. Less than six weeks from a tough election for Republicans who control an already ethically tainted Congress, the more common stick-it-out approach to scandal was cast aside.

"Resigning leaves your attackers nowhere to go," said Eric Dezenhall, a crisis-management consultant. "If this had dragged on, it could have sucked Republicans into the vortex of scandal."

Foley, a moderate Republican whose work in Congress included protections for children against sexual predators, repeatedly e-mailed a boy working as a page in August 2005, asking for his picture, asking what he wanted for his birthday and making chatty comments about school and about another page who he said was "in really great shape."

The page told a colleague the e-mails "freaked me out" and were "sick," according to transcripts posted online by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

In the first blush after Foley's abrupt apology and resignation, Dezenhall said a typical reaction for those who want to survive scandal and preserve their career — "if you're guilty, repent, if you're innocent, attack" — would not work for the congressman.

"It's much harder to defend yourself against something like this than the garden variety sin such as adultery or murky campaign contributions," he said. "This is not garden variety. This creeps people out."

Florida Republicans planned to meet as soon as Monday to find a replacement in Foley's district, where he had been considered nearly a sure bet to win.

Foley had communicated with more than one page in a personal way, and ABC News reported Friday that he had sent sexually explicit instant messages to some of them.

Talk about Foley's behavior had circulated in political and legislative circles for months, including a House panel that quietly looked into the e-mails, but it was once they surfaced that Foley stepped down.

Others caught in unsavory behavior have had mixed success trying to hang on.

Former President Bill Clinton used contrition, counterattack and an artful definition of what constitutes sex in his ultimately successful defense against impeachment brought on by his relationship with an intern of legal age.

Democratic Rep. Barney Frank toughed it out after the House reprimanded him in 1989 for using his influence on behalf of prostitute Stephen L. Gobie. Frank admitted paying Gobie for sex, hiring him with his own money as an aide and writing a letter on congressional stationery on his behalf.

A repentant Frank faced constituents at a meeting until they ran out of questions, acknowledging, "I did not handle the pressures of having a public life, of being a closeted gay man, nearly as well as I should have." He has won their acceptance — and re-election ever since.

Foley's resignation follows an admission by Republican Rep. Bob Ney that he improperly accepted trips, meals, sports tickets and casino chips while trying to win favors for disgraced Washington influence-peddler Jack Abramoff and a foreign aviation company.

The six-term lawmaker went to a rehabilitation center for alcohol abuse, a problem he disclosed when he agreed to plead guilty in the case, which grew from investigations into Abramoff's cozy dealings with scores of Republican lawmakers and some Democrats.

On the other side of the aisle, Democratic Rep. William Jefferson has been at the center of a federal bribery investigation that so far has cost him his seat on the House Ways and Means Committee.

Foley's troubles were of a far different nature than corrupt lobbying but part of a vivid history of sexual scandal in a capital where reality can be more bizarre than rumor.

In 1983, the House adopted a more severe measure than Frank's reprimand when it censured Reps. Gerry Studds and Daniel B. Crane for having sexual relations with pages.

Studds, a liberal Democrat who acknowledged having sex with a 17-year-old male page in 1973 and making sexual advances to two others, admitted an error in judgment but did not apologize. The first openly gay member of Congress went on to win re-election until his retirement in the mid-1990s.

Crane admitted having sex several times with a 17-year-old female page in 1980. He apologized to the House in a quavering voice "for the shame I have brought down on this institution." The conservative Republican was defeated a year later.

Rep. Donald "Buzz" Lukens, a Republican, was allowed to resign in 1990 rather than face expulsion on two sex-related cases: a conviction for having sex with an underage girl and a later allegation of fondling a female elevator operator in the Capitol.

Click here to read an exclusive 2003 Internet exchange between Congressman Foley and a former congressional page, according to the young man. Warning: sexually explicit language, reader discretion advised

http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02-03b.pdf




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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6118053 - 09/30/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

good riddance. what a fucking weirdo.

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Vvellum]
    #6118075 - 09/30/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Still, it will be hard to find a replacement with as much "first hand" experience in the field of child exploitation.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6118427 - 09/30/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6118528 - 09/30/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING & EXPLOITED CHILDREN
JOINS WITH CONGRESSMAN FOLEY, SENATOR HATCH AND VICTIM FAMILIES TO ANNOUNCE TOUGHER SEX OFFENDER LEGISLATION


WASHINGTON, DC – May 18, 2005 – The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) applauds Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL) and Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) for introducing sweeping legislation that will overhaul our nation’s current sex offender registration and community notification law entitled the Jacob Wetterling Crimes Against Children and Sexually Violent Offender Act of 1994.

“Today, there are more than a half million sex offenders that are “supposed” to be registered in the United States; however at least 100,000 of these offenders are actually “missing” from the system. This is a massive problem,” said NCMEC President and CEO Ernie Allen. “I commend Congressman Foley and Senator Hatch for recognizing that the current federal sex offender law needs to be revamped. This new legislation will help build a more comprehensive system for tracking sex offenders and better protect our nation’s children.”

NCMEC believes this legislation, “The Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act of 2005” will increase and tighten tracking of sex offenders and provide standards for notifying the public about these predators. It will integrate more than twenty years of legislation into a more consistent way of governing how sex offenders are monitored and how communities are notified.

Highlights of this legislation:

Full Integration: The bill fully integrates the “Megan's Law” and "Lychner” amendments into the Wetterling Act.

Expands Covered Offenses against Children: The bill adds the "use of the Internet to facilitate or commit a crime against a minor" as one which could trigger registration.

etc...

Good thing you toughened up these laws against people who would prey on minors over the internet, Congressman Foley. I mean ex-Congressman Foley.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6118591 - 09/30/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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That picture, following the context of the story and all it implies, is fucked up. :shocked:

Seriously, that is spooky. :whoa:

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6118626 - 09/30/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Still, it will be hard to find a replacement with as much "first hand" experience in the field of child exploitation.     




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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6118659 - 09/30/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

another case of leaked information or a whistleblower of some sort doing us all a great service. this time it exposed a pedophile pervert who apparently did work to protect children against sexual predators...so he's also a huge hypocrite as well as a general douche bag

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #6118679 - 09/30/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Who would suspect the guy that is campaigning agansit the behavior being the one who is engaging in it? :lol:

Do you think that turned him on even more?  :puke:

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6118713 - 09/30/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i imagine he was probably racked with guilt and in some small pathetic way he was trying to some how make amends. kind of makes you wonder about the rest of our elected officials though. i'm sure that plenty of them are scum bags harbouring all sorts of deep dark secrets, but i really wonder what the percentage is sometimes.

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #6120868 - 10/01/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-01-foley-gop_x.htm

N.Y. lawmaker says he told Hastert about Foley scandal months ago
Posted 10/1/2006 7:43 AM ET


WASHINGTON (AP) — GOP leaders admit their offices have known for months that a Florida Republican congressman was sending inappropriate e-mails to a boy who had worked as a page in the House of Representatives.
The office of House Speaker Dennis Hastert, who earlier said he'd learned about the e-mails only last week, acknowledged that aides referred the matter to the authorities last fall. They said they were only told the messages were "over-friendly."

Rep. Thomas Reynolds, head of the House Republican election effort, said Saturday he told Speaker Dennis Hastert months ago about concerns that a fellow GOP lawmaker had sent inappropriate messages to a teenage boy.

Reynolds, R-N.Y., was told about e-mails sent by Rep. Mark Foley and is now defending himself from Democratic accusations that he did too little. Foley, R-Fla., resigned Friday after ABC News questioned him about the e-mails to a former congressional page and about sexually suggestive instant messages to other pages.

"The improper communications between Congressman Mark Foley and former House Congressional pages is unacceptable and abhorrent. It is an obscene breach of trust," Hastert, R-Ill., Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Majority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said in a written statement Saturday evening. "His immediate resignation must now be followed by the full weight of the criminal justice system."

The House leaders said it is their duty to ensure House pages are safe. They said they are creating a toll-free hotline for pages and their families to call to confidentially report any incidents, and will consider adopting new rules on communications between lawmakers and pages.

The boy who received the e-mails was 16 in the summer of 2005 when he worked in Congress as a page. After the boy returned to his Louisiana home, the congressman e-mailed him. The teenager thought the messages were inappropriate, particularly one in which Foley asked the teen to send a picture of himself.

The teen's family contacted their congressman, Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., who then discussed the problem with Reynolds sometime this spring.

"Rodney Alexander brought to my attention the existence of e-mails between Mark Foley and a former page of Mr. Alexander's," Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, said in a written statement Saturday.

"Despite the fact that I had not seen the e-mails in question, and Mr. Alexander told me that the parents didn't want the matter pursued, I told the speaker of the conversation Mr. Alexander had with me," Reynolds said.

Hastert said he does not remember talking to Reynolds about the Foley e-mails, but did not dispute Reynolds' account.

"While the speaker does not explicitly recall this conversation, he has no reason to dispute Congressman Reynolds' recollection that he reported to him on the problem and its resolution," Hastert's aides said in a preliminary report on the matter issued Saturday.

On Friday night, Hastert spokesman Ron Bonjean said the top House Republican had not known about the allegations.

Saturday's report includes a lengthy timeline detailing when they first learned of the worrisome e-mail in the fall of 2005, after a staffer for Alexander told Hastert's office the family wanted Foley to stop contacting their son. Alexander's staffer did not share the contents of the e-mail, saying it was not sexual but "over-friendly," the report says.

Hastert's aides referred the matter to the Clerk of the House, and "mindful of the sensitivity of the parent's wishes to protect their child's privacy and believing that they had promptly reported what they knew to the proper authorities," they did not discuss it with others in Hastert's office — including, apparently, their boss.

After the issue was referred to the clerk, it was passed along to the congressman who oversees the page program, Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill.

Shimkus has said he learned about the e-mail exchange in late 2005 and took immediate action to investigate.

He said Foley told him it was an innocent exchange. Shimkus said he warned Foley not to have any more contact with the teenager and to respect other pages.

Democrats charged Reynolds did far too little and said more digging should be done.

"Congressman Reynolds' inaction in the face of such a serious situation is very troubling, and raises important questions about whether there was an attempt to cover up criminal activity involving a minor to keep it from coming to light before Election Day," said Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Karen Finney.

New York Democrats hoping to unseat Reynolds blasted the congressman, saying they call into question the Republican's values.

"Mr. Reynolds knew about these allegedly inappropriate e-mails from a fellow congressman to a minor for months and didn't lift a finger," said Blake Zeff, a spokesman for the state Democrats.




Isn't there a law saying that those in positions of authority have a DUTY to report suspected cases of child abuse to law enforcement? "Overly friendly" yea right...

This sounds just like the Catholic Church where it's all hush hush and "just don't do it again".

Now watch as no criminal charges will be filed against Mr. Foley.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6120896 - 10/01/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What got Foley out was not the e-mails that Hastert knew about, which were not obviously sexual, but a whole different series of Instant Messages, which nobody knew about.

There can be no criminal charges over the e-mails. The IMs are a different matter all together. And so is Hastert lieing.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6120978 - 10/01/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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There can be no criminal charges over the e-mails. The IMs are a different matter all together. And so is Hastert lieing.




My guess is that no criminal charges will be filed for either Hastert or Foley. Dipomatic impunity.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6121016 - 10/01/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hastert committed no crime and I'm not sure that the IMs Foley sent constitute a crime. Despicable behaviour, yes. Crime? I don't know.

You can see the actual e-mails here
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Congressman_accused_of_sending_sick_emails_0928.html

Pretty innocuous, if a little creepy. These are what Hastert and Reynolds knew about. I believe they or somebody else told him to stop e-mailing pages and he did. Then he found Instant Messaging, and those are the really creepy ones:
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ABC News reported Friday that Foley also engaged in a series of sexually explicit instant messages with current and former pages, all male. In one message, ABC said, Foley wrote to one page, "Do I make you a little horny?"

In another message, Foley wrote, "You in your boxers, too? ... Well, strip down and get relaxed."




Nobody knew about the IMs, so screaming about Hastert and Reynolds and Shimkus and everything else is just partisan flackery. I may have been to hasty above in saying Hastert lied. I can't find it. Just him and Reynolds bickering about who knew what when.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6121156 - 10/01/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Hastert committed no crime and I'm not sure that the IMs Foley sent constitute a crime. Despicable behaviour, yes. Crime? I don't know.





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What got Foley out was not the e-mails that Hastert knew about, which were not obviously sexual, but a whole different series of Instant Messages, which nobody knew about.

There can be no criminal charges over the e-mails. The IMs are a different matter all together. And so is Hastert lieing.





That was some pretty fast backpedaling from your previous post. What happened to "The IMs are a different matter all together. And so is Hastert lieing?"

Hastert said he hadn't heard about the E-mails until a week ago and it turns out it was fall 2005. That might be a lie.

As for the IMs, if you don't think that's a crime, maybe you should re-read them. Pretty sexual and abusive when you are talking online about masturbating to the 16 years old Congressional page who works for you while you are masturbating, don't you think? Or is that just being "overly friendly" too?



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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6121701 - 10/01/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So much for "family values". What a fucking pulsating stain on the Republican party. Goes to show that NO side of the isle is fit, nor represents, the American populace.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6122117 - 10/01/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Hastert committed no crime and I'm not sure that the IMs Foley sent constitute a crime. Despicable behaviour, yes. Crime? I don't know.





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What got Foley out was not the e-mails that Hastert knew about, which were not obviously sexual, but a whole different series of Instant Messages, which nobody knew about.

There can be no criminal charges over the e-mails. The IMs are a different matter all together. And so is Hastert lieing.





That was some pretty fast backpedaling from your previous post. What happened to "The IMs are a different matter all together. And so is Hastert lieing?"

Hastert said he hadn't heard about the E-mails until a week ago and it turns out it was fall 2005. That might be a lie.

As for the IMs, if you don't think that's a crime, maybe you should re-read them. Pretty sexual and abusive when you are talking online about masturbating to the 16 years old Congressional page who works for you while you are masturbating, don't you think? Or is that just being "overly friendly" too?






Nonono. I think the guy is a complete scumbag and the IMs are pretty fucked up, although I couldn't find all of them to read. The e-mails are not much and that's all anybody knew about. I don't know if the IMs rise to the level of illegality though since the age of consent in DC is 16 and I've never heard of any busts until somebody actually tries to make physical contact. I am not defending this guy at all. Fuck him, he's toast and he's gone. It's the peripheral shit. Like blaming anybody else. My understanding of the story is this.
The kids parents brought the e-mails to the attention of an aide to the guy he was interning for. He went to somebody else and the parents expressed a desire that this not be made a big deal but that it had to stop. Foley was spoken to and stopped the e-mails. Then he discovered IMs. All anybody in the leadership knew about were the e-mails. Then the IMs came out. Then he resigned. I see no malfeasance by the leadership, and I'm not sure the IMs reach the level of illegality for technical reasons. The certainly reach the level of reprehensible slug behaviour, but that isn't always illegal.

I backtracked on the Hastert lieing thing quickly because I got more information. Might be a lie? Yeah, or maybe he was told it was taken care of and just put it aside. My apologies to Hastert for being hasty.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6122119 - 10/01/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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So much for "family values". What a fucking pulsating stain on the Republican party. Goes to show that NO side of the isle is fit, nor represents, the American populace.




Unfortunately, this shows that they represent the American populace all too well.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6123705 - 10/02/06 08:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't know if the IMs rise to the level of illegality though since the age of consent in DC is 16 and I've never heard of any busts until somebody actually tries to make physical contact.




Age of consent has nothing to do with this case, period. First of all, the age of consent in DC of 16 years old applies for marriage with both parents consent. Otherwise it is 18 years old. Regardless, age of consent is not the issue in this type of case, the issue is whether sex crimes over the internet have been committed by Mr. Foley. The "irony" of it is that ex-Congressman Foley helped author the bills that make internet sex with a minor a sex crime and a registerable offense. Physical contact doesn't have to be made.

The latest news is that Hastert just yesterday on a Sunday has decided he should call the FBI to investigate the case.

And Foley has just now decided that after all he is an alcoholic and has checked into rehab.

And the beat goes on...


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GOP Staff Warned Pages About Foley in 2001 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6124293 - 10/02/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Check this out : GOP Staff Warned Pages About Foley in 2001

How long have the 'deciders' in the leadership of the GOP (Grand Old Perverts) known about this? Did the party of Jesus Christ, bringers of love, peace, democracy and intermittent electricity to Baghdad cover up a pervert's actions directed at UNDER AGE BOYS? If so, why? Are their motivations purely keeping and increasing power? Have they no guiding moral principles? (We know they don't look to the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence for guidance.) Are sexual predations just another form of collateral damage in political warfare? Has DC (The District of Corruption) truly become 'Rome on The Potomac?' Can somebody please start regurgitating the GOP talking points on this matter before too many questions are asked?


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6124642 - 10/02/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

fascist X child molester = repugnican...
surprise..surprise..surprise...


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Annapurna1]
    #6124960 - 10/02/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ever heard of Mel Reynolds?


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    #6124993 - 10/02/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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So much for "family values". What a fucking pulsating stain on the Republican party. Goes to show that NO side of the isle is fit, nor represents, the American populace.




Unfortunately, this shows that they represent the American populace all too well.





Am I taking your post the right way????? American would vote for represntation by child molestors/perverts???????


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6125014 - 10/02/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't know if the IMs rise to the level of illegality though since the age of consent in DC is 16 and I've never heard of any busts until somebody actually tries to make physical contact.




Age of consent has nothing to do with this case, period. First of all, the age of consent in DC of 16 years old applies for marriage with both parents consent. Otherwise it is 18 years old. Regardless, age of consent is not the issue in this type of case, the issue is whether sex crimes over the internet have been committed by Mr. Foley. The "irony" of it is that ex-Congressman Foley helped author the bills that make internet sex with a minor a sex crime and a registerable offense. Physical contact doesn't have to be made.

The latest news is that Hastert just yesterday on a Sunday has decided he should call the FBI to investigate the case.

And Foley has just now decided that after all he is an alcoholic and has checked into rehab.

And the beat goes on...




Here's the important phrase in my post...."I don't know". Neither do you. He has not been arrested, the evidence is clear and quite public, and he's out of Congress. Hastert is calling for an FBI investigation because he didn't know, nor did any other prominent Republican, about the IMs, which are the problem. Do you know what he wants investigated? Who knew about these 3 year old IMs, who told the press, why didn't they come forward earlier, and is there a particular stench to the timing?

I don't give a fuck what Foley does. He can throw himself under a train and I would dance.


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Re: GOP Staff Warned Pages About Foley in 2001 [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6125071 - 10/02/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Check this out : GOP Staff Warned Pages About Foley in 2001

How long have the 'deciders' in the leadership of the GOP (Grand Old Perverts) known about this? Did the party of Jesus Christ, bringers of love, peace, democracy and intermittent electricity to Baghdad cover up a pervert's actions directed at UNDER AGE BOYS? If so, why? Are their motivations purely keeping and increasing power? Have they no guiding moral principles? (We know they don't look to the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence for guidance.) Are sexual predations just another form of collateral damage in political warfare? Has DC (The District of Corruption) truly become 'Rome on The Potomac?' Can somebody please start regurgitating the GOP talking points on this matter before too many questions are asked?




Here is the "warning" from the misleadingly titled article:

"Loraditch, the president of the Page Alumni Association, said the pages were told "don't get too wrapped up in him being too nice to you and all that kind of stuff."

That's it. ABC is getting a little full of itself. I wonder how long they sat on these tidbits before they went forward. I'd love to see some journalists before a congressional committee. Not revealing sources is something they might (wrongly) be able to demand but there would be no reason for them to conceal the timing of their awareness. They can't plead the first amendment on that one. They'll have to take the fifth. This could be fun. Deliberately witholding information of this child abuse (if that's what it is) until just before an election might well be considered tampering with that election. Especially if he was still out there doing what he was doing to other pages the whole time.

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Are sexual predations just another form of collateral damage in political warfare?




If someone knew these things and sat on the information until just before an election to discredit totally uninvolved members of the opposition party, with the possibility of new victims being made every day, then you are quite right. The Democrats and their mainstream media enablers will have certainly crossed a line. Will we find out before November?


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Re: GOP Staff Warned Pages About Foley in 2001 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6125183 - 10/02/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if democrats had acess to these IMs then why wouldn't the republicans know about them too? way to make a bunch of random assumptions. i love how you take this and try to turn it around on the democrats. it's classic. it's also ridiculous foil hattery.

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6127340 - 10/03/06 02:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Still, it will be hard to find a replacement with as much "first hand" experience in the field of child exploitation.



They could give his job to Mel Reynolds.


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    #6127359 - 10/03/06 03:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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First of all, the age of consent in DC of 16 years old applies for marriage with both parents consent. Otherwise it is 18 years old.




BBzzzzTTTT! Wrong.

Via Lexis, in D.C. Code § 22-3001 -- defining crimes of sexual acts against children -- section (3) provides: "'Child' means a person who has not yet attained the age of 16 years."

D.C. Code § 46-403 (2006) provides: "The following marriages in said District shall be illegal, and shall be void from the time when their nullity shall be declared by decree, namely: . . . (4) When either of the parties is under the age of consent, which is hereby declared to be 16 years of age."

Age of consent = 16

Still, the guys a sleaze.

I'm curious..... is your moral outrage as strong when you read about female teachers ACTUALLY sleeping with underage male students?


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6127622 - 10/03/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/15664723.htm

LEGAL FALLOUT
Foley could face charges under child sex laws he helped createInvestigators must decide whether former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley will be charged under tough new child sex-crime laws he championed.
BY MARY ELLEN KLAS AND JAY WEAVER
meklas@MiamiHerald.com
A conviction for soliciting sex from a minor in Florida can draw five years prison time and a label: child sex predator, complete with your address listed on the Internet, searchable by Zip code for all to see.

But until July, no one tracked the whereabouts of sex predators if they left the state. That changed when U.S. Rep. Mark Foley helped push through the passage of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, which created a national sex-crimes registry and increased penalties for such crimes against children.

As the FBI and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigate whether Foley broke the law when he sent sexually explicit Internet messages to congressional pages, they will be armed with cyber crime laws he helped pass, as well as others that impose tough new penalties on child sex offenders.

Florida law prohibits anyone from ''encouraging, offering or soliciting sexual conduct'' over the Internet with anyone under 18. Child predators face a minimum of five years in prison and a $5,000 fine, with steeper penalties for repeat offenders.

Congress has also passed laws that impose new penalties on child sex crimes, ranging from five to 25 years in prison.

The new federal law Foley championed is part of a crackdown on child sex solicitation over the Internet, as politicians seize on what state and federal authorities say is an increasing threat to kids from illicit Web pages, online chat rooms, e-mails and other electronic methods.

The crackdown has resulted in hundreds of new federal child-solicitation and sex-tourism prosecutions nationwide, especially by the FBI and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and 47 federally funded local law enforcement task forces.

Such investigations have become commonplace for the FBI, which often uses the latest cyber techniques to target suspects in undercover probes. They have also become routine for local law enforcement, said Mitchell Nixon, head of the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force of North Florida.

Each of these cases hinges on one principle, he said: ''It's a violation of Florida law for an adult to knowingly contact a child and knowingly transmit sexual information'' over the Internet.

South Florida has been fertile ground for a variety of child-exploitation cases over the Web. For example:

• On Monday, the FBI announced the arrest of Rosaire Bosivert of Davie for downloading and sharing child pornography.

• In December, Adam McDaniel of Texas pleaded guilty to crossing state lines to have sex with a 14-year-old Fort Lauderdale girl he met in a chat room.

• And in February 2005, former Miami TV weatherman Bill Kamal was sentenced to five years for using the Internet to entice a boy to have sex. The ''boy'' turned out to be an undercover cop.


The FBI is investigating under new FEDERAL LAWS that ex-Congressman Foley helped write. So you can forget about DC laws which don't apply and their age of consent of 16. In this case, the applicable age is 18.

Consider this verbage in the law and then decide if a crime was committed in the Foley case of 2003 with the IMs (link above) ''encouraging, offering or soliciting sexual conduct''.



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    #6127658 - 10/03/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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fascist X child molester = repugnican...
surprise..surprise..surprise...




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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6128960 - 10/03/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

All well and good. However, you said the age of consent in DC is 18, I merely pointed out your error in that statement. I even quoted the sentence you used.

Why is that so hard to follow?

And I also asked a question which I notice you didn't answer. here it is again:

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I'm curious..... is your moral outrage as strong when you read about female teachers ACTUALLY sleeping with underage male students?
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Frankly, I'm left with the impression that what bugs you is Foley's party more so than the deed.And why no comments about Mel Reynolds. Is it OK because he's not a Republican?


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6129698 - 10/03/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The Foley scandal is public "political mainstream news entertainment" to distract from the tyrannical legislation being passed by house and senate. Perfect timing.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6129766 - 10/03/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well foley has checked into a religious rehab center in tampa...

he'll be rehabilitated and saved by christ,

same as bush

no big deal...........

it worked before

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6129769 - 10/03/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm curious..... is your moral outrage as strong when you read about female teachers ACTUALLY sleeping with underage male students?





ACTUALLY, the recent case of the good looking blonde teacher who "slept" with her male student (molested) and got house arrest with no jail time and a one hour TV interview where she blamed the victim for her crimes outraged me quite a bit. Any male teacher in similar circumstances would have in all probability done prison time. What's your point?

As for Mel Reynolds, what does he have to do with the Foley case? If nothing and you want to discuss him, feel free to open a separate thread.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Schwammel]
    #6129786 - 10/03/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

But wait, there's more...

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2524286&page=2
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Foley Says He Was Abused by a ClergymanEx-Rep. Mark Foley Says He Was Abused by a Clergyman As a Teen, but Accepts Blame for E-Mails

By BRIAN SKOLOFF

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. Oct 3, 2006 (AP)— Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer messages to teenage male pages.

Attorney David Roth said Foley was molested between ages 13 and 15 by a clergyman. He declined to identify the clergyman or the church, but Foley is Roman Catholic.

He also acknowledged for the first time that the former congressman is gay, saying the disclosure was part of his client's "recovery."

"Mark Foley wants you to know he is a gay man," Roth told reporters as Republicans struggled to avoid election-year fallout from the congressman's actions.

Foley represented parts of Palm Beach County for 12 years until he abruptly resigned Friday after being accused of sending lurid Internet messages to teenage boys who served as pages on Capitol Hill. The FBI and Florida law enforcement officials are investigating whether he violated any laws.

The lawyer said Foley, who is now in treatment for alcohol abuse, never had any inappropriate sexual contact with a minor. "Any suggestion that Mark Foley is a pedophile is false," he said.

He also said Foley was under the influence of alcohol when he sent the e-mails and instant messages.

Asked why Foley did not disclose the abuse sooner, Roth said, "Shame, shame."

"As is so often the case with victims of abuse, Mark advises that he kept his shame to himself for almost 40 years," Roth said.

The lurid communications were first reported last week by ABC News, which released more instant messages Tuesday that suggest Foley interrupted a vote on the House floor to chat online with a teen.

"I miss you," Foley said in one message, according to ABC.

"ya me too," the teen replied.

"we are still voting," Foley responded.

Roth said Foley was never under the influence of alcohol while conducting business on Capitol Hill, but he could not explain his previous statement that Foley was intoxicated when he sent the messages.

The race for Foley's seat has been thrust into the national spotlight as Democrats seek a net gain of 15 Republican seats to retake power in the House. Foley was considered a shoo-in for re-election before the messages surfaced.

On Monday, state Republican Party leaders selected state Rep. Joe Negron to replace Foley as their candidate in the Nov. 7 election, but under state law, Foley's name cannot be removed from the ballot even though he has withdrawn. Votes for Foley will be tallied for Negron.

Meanwhile, House Speaker Dennis Hastert cast aside calls for his resignation Tuesday amid allegations from Democrats that Republicans knew of Foley's questionable communications months ago but failed to act.

President Bush, speaking at a Stockton, Calif., elementary school, on Tuesday said he was disgusted by Foley's actions.

The House Ethics Committee scheduled its first meeting on Foley's actions for Thursday.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6129790 - 10/03/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

haha

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Schwammel]
    #6129805 - 10/03/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

personally any good looking female teacher would of made my life.

but acording to google males think about sex every 53 minutes and

females think about it every 6 hours...

I think about it all the time. I must be an alien!!!!

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6129903 - 10/03/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

curiouser and curiouser


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Gijith]
    #6129958 - 10/03/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So in review, last week he was a respected Congressman helping write legislation to keep our children safe from online predators and this week he is a recovering alcoholic who was molested by a clergyman 40 years ago in some church somewhere but doesn't remember who and he never touched any of the pages (unlike the unimaginable horror the unknown clergyman surely must have wreaked these shamefully long 40 years ago). Further, he didn't mean to send those IMs, after all he was drunk at the time (hence the now recovering alcoholic part).

It all fits and is a made for TV story.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6129967 - 10/03/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

thank god.... saving grace i beleive

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Schwammel]
    #6129998 - 10/03/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yea, Thanking God will be his Hollywood ending as he avoids persecution.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6130081 - 10/03/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

too bad

i think hollywood is responible

for all the too bads...

hollywood made it possible to kill

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6132853 - 10/04/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There have been several such cases (teachers) this year alone.

And it was just a question. As such there was no point.

Reynolds actually slept with a minor and was charged while running fo re-election, still won and retained his seat until convicted. Clinton later pardoned him so apparently people find a Repub TALKING sex worse than a Dem who ACTUALLY had sex.

Funny, eh?

Quite frankly, the kid was 16 and no physical contact took place. While stupid of Foley, I'd say the bigger fools are those freaked out by the whole thing.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6133357 - 10/04/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

actually no. you're totally misrepresenting the entire situation. reynolds did his full sentence for his sex crimes. he got the minimum 5 years and did it all. while he was in prison he was convicted of bank fraud and got 71 more months. so he did like 42 months in federal prison and then clinton pardoned him.

and foley's actions violated federal law, laws he helped get pass. so he should be charged and if convicted, if he doesn't worm out of it with all his excuses, then he should do the minimum time in prison.

and quite frankly, i don't believe a word of what this hypocritical scum bag says. he probably has had sex with kids. you claim the people 'getting freaked out by the whole thing' are stupid. stupider than foley molesting underage kids online. that's an interesting stance you have. you don't seem to see much wrong with the chairmen of the online child predators comitee actually being a child predator. i guess you must be fiscally conservative or something...

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6133509 - 10/04/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

He should've flirted with a boy from New Jersey.

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    #6133530 - 10/04/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You're correct. My recollection of the timing of the pardon was in error.

The rest I stand by

It takes more than probably to be convicted of a crime.

If you read what I wrote as I wrote it, you'll see I called Foley stupid. No-one else.



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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6133604 - 10/04/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Did anyone see that they are now thinking of suspending the whole page system? We need to stop tempting congressmen with our young, supple children! lmao

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Catalysis]
    #6133617 - 10/04/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If we're electing people we can't trust around our children, we're seriously screwed.


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    #6133953 - 10/04/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It should be made clear there is no evidence he was a pedophile. Pedophiles pefer prebuscent children generally 12 years old or younger. He was interest in a 16 year old boy. This is certainly not a case of pedophilia.

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    #6134084 - 10/04/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If we're becoming righteously indignate because a man flirted with a consenting sixteen year old on the internet, we're seriously screwed.

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    #6134097 - 10/04/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I was referring more specifically to Catalysis's comment.


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    #6134199 - 10/04/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The hypocrisy of both the Republicans and Democrats on this issue is glaring. However, I look forward to it playing out to the detriment of the Republican establishment to the extent that power can be split between the two parties, as our liberties will be less imperiled as they are under one party rule.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6135709 - 10/05/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So in the end, what do we end up with?

A pedophile that wasn’t.

A child that was actually an adult.

The disclosure of personal electronic communications of a highly personal nature between two consenting adults revealed.

A sex scandal between a couple who never had sex.......


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6135719 - 10/05/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061005/ap_o...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Ex-page says he got messages from Foley By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press Writer
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ATLANTA - A former congressional page said Thursday he received sexually suggestive messages from then-Rep. Mark Foley (news, bio, voting record) in 1997.

Tyson Vivyan's account appears to show the earliest exchange of suggestive messages reported so far between Foley and teens who had served in the Capitol page program. Previous accounts placed the earliest contacts in 2003.

Vivyan, 26, told The Associated Press that Foley began sending him instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a page ended in June 1997.

Vivyan, who gave interviews this week to other media, said he never met Foley personally during his stint as a page, other than brief greetings while working in the cloakroom beside the House chamber where members take breaks.

A few months later, he said, he started getting instant messages via computer from a person with the screen name MAF54, which has been linked in news reports to Foley. He said he wasn't sure who it was, but the person knew his name and physical description. He said the person asked personal questions, such as his sexual orientation.

Vivyan said he figured the person had to be on Capitol Hill, and began looking up initials in a congressional guide. He said that when he found Foley's initials — MAF, born in 1954 — he realized who it was.

"It was almost surreal. Not only was I conversing with a congressman in a personal manner, I was conversing in a sexual manner," Vivyan said.

After he guessed it was Foley, the person continued to contact him. Vivyan said he tried to turn the talk to politics. Foley would often stop talking and contact him a week later with suggestive messages.

Vivyan also said he was invited to Foley's brownstone in Washington. Vivyan said he didn't want to go alone, so brought a fellow page with him. He said they had pizza and soft drinks, and nothing sexual happened.

David Roth, attorney for the Florida Republican former congressman, declined to comment on the allegations.

Foley, 52, resigned Friday. He has since entered an alcohol rehabilitation facility at an undisclosed location. Through his lawyer, he has said he is gay but denied any sexual contact with minors.

Vivyan said he was nominated as a page by Rep. John. J. Duncan, R-Tenn. Don Walker, Duncan's deputy chief of staff, confirmed Thursday to the AP that Vivyan was a page from Duncan's district.

"We did not get any complaints form him while he was a page or after he was a page or anytime thereafter until Monday," Walker said. "As soon as we learned of it we turned it over to the authorities."

Vivyan said he was interviewed this week by the FBI. FBI spokesman Stephen Emmett in Atlanta declined comment.



What a surprise, another page sent IMs. Wow, this one goes back to 1997. That's a long time ago. And some interesting fun and games by Mr. Foley of not identifying himself.

Of course, while the statute of limitations in this particular instance may have run out, it surely shows a PATTERN of behavior over a LONG period of time.

With regard to whether Foley's IMs of 2003 are criminal, keep in mind that the laws with regard to sex crimes over the internet have recently changed. Mr. Foley helped write these new laws to protect children from predators. How funny. Anyway, the law now prohibits anyone from ''encouraging, offering or soliciting sexual conduct'' over the Internet with anyone under 18. This appears to be exactly the kind of behavior Mr. Foley was engaging in. So, it appears he may have broken the law. That's what the FBI is now investigating.

I'm curious, how do you ACTUALLY feel about the men who are online and "meet" a 14 year old girl who is actually a 35 year old male policeman and then get busted and go to jail? Do you have any sympathy for them since there never was a 14 year old girl that talked dirty to them online? This is the same law we are talking about. There is a nationwide sting going on right now with the FBI and local law enforcement pretending to be a minor to catch online predators. Many men have been caught in their "net" and arrested and later incarcerated as sex offenders. In Foley's cases, these were real kids. Isn't talking dirty to real kids not ready to talk dirty worse than talking dirty to fake kids who already like talking dirty?


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6135748 - 10/05/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I really hope that Rove's October Suprise is better than this...

Or maybe Rove created the fake Foley scandal to get rid of a GAY Republican and to push the "true" Woodward scandal off the headlines?

Muahahaha

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6135763 - 10/05/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I really hope that Rove's October Suprise is better than this...

Or maybe Rove created the fake Foley scandal to get rid of a GAY Republican and to push the "true" Woodward scandal off the headlines?

Muahahaha






Wow, that Rove is good, he even has a time machine.

Or if not, it's at least being looked into.

The man is a genius. In the meantime, to get Foley to admit to being a gay alcoholic who was molested as a child by a clergyman? All for the cause and of course, Mark, those big FBI lawdogs can be told to grow some teeth at any point in time. Well, any point in time after November 7th...

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6135781 - 10/05/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)



RRROOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVE!


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6136064 - 10/05/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Rove's big surprise will probably be another terror attack blamed on arabs. Although giving one man credit/blame for such things is inappropriate.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6136869 - 10/05/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

14 is not 16.

16 is the age of consent.

A law saying you can't use the internet to talk dirty to someone of the age of consent is just plain stupid. It demonstrates why the Feds should deal strictly with the powers allowed them by the Constitution.

I have no problem with what he did as long as he didn't stalk, harrass or touch a minor under the age of consent.

As I have said before, I suspect your main interest here is his party, not what he did.

Thou doth protest too much.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6137313 - 10/05/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

18 is the applicable age in the Foley case, and is the age of consent/majority in most of the states including Florida which is applicable to the Foley case. And the Feds are involved with Internet sex cases involving minors whether you like it or not.

As for "stalking, harrassing and touching", was that even in question in the possible criminal case? This is about sexual conversations with a minor under the age of 18 on the internet.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6137375 - 10/05/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wrong yet again, depending on the source there are 36 - 39 states where the age of consent is 16. In Iowa it's 14 for girls. There are only 9 states with a blanket 18 AOC.

Do you just make this stuff up?

Face it, you are arguing a lame position. You don't even take the time to check your facts.

What's the point of continuing? What will you try as pass off as real next?


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6139240 - 10/06/06 03:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with you, I look around all the Dem blogs and they are just heaping on their phony righteous indignation in order to damage the republicans. Foley did a dumb thing and abused his position in order to get his rocks off, he's resigned, issue over. Cluster fucks like this are a waste of time, we should be talking about State of Denial and the multitude of other real issues going on.

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Andy21]
    #6139634 - 10/06/06 07:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think the dems handling of this is pretty ammusing and i don't think it should have any bearing on the rest of the party. But this fallout is the risk you take by having a position of power and abusing it. Do what you want but don't do it in a work environment and don't let it happen in a work environment.

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6139819 - 10/06/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.slate.com/id/2151018
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Many jurisdictions, among them the District of Columbia, have established 16 as the legal age of consent; in other states, that marker is 17 or 18. But D.C.'s age of consent won't necessarily get Rep. Foley off the hook. For one thing, some of his activities might have taken place in other jurisdictions with different laws, such as Florida, where the age of consent is 18. Moreover, a patchwork of state and federal statutes—including legislation that the congressman helped pass as co-chair of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children—outline circumstances that can lead to tougher sentencing for an underlying sex crime or amount to punishable offenses in themselves, even if no sex occurred. Depending upon the specific law, such exacerbating circumstances might include enticing youth into sexual behavior via the Internet, engaging in graphic discussions of sexual acts with minors, abusing a position of authority in pursuit of sexual gratification, and plying adolescents with alcohol or drugs. In the Foley case, prosecutors are scrambling to interview pages and reviewing electronic communications to determine what, if any, crimes the former congressman committed and where he might have committed them.


Fair enough I did think most places in the U.S. had 18 as the age of consent. But, like the article says and I have been saying, it's the new Federal legislation that Foley helped write that the FBI could conceivably charge him with a crime for. The applicable age for that law and in Florida is 18. Before that, what Foley did over the internet probably wasn't illegal in any state. Sick and a breach of power and trust, but not a crime. Now, it probably is and as such will he be charged? That is my interest in this case, along with the Hastert & Reynolds conversations and e-mail timing angle.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: StroFun]
    #6139828 - 10/06/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Do what you want but don't do it in a work environment and don't let it happen in a work environment.




Exactly. Wait till you get home on the computer before you "strip down and get relaxed."


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