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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Schwammel]
    #6129998 - 10/03/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yea, Thanking God will be his Hollywood ending as he avoids persecution.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6130081 - 10/03/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

too bad

i think hollywood is responible

for all the too bads...

hollywood made it possible to kill

anyone we disliked

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6132853 - 10/04/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There have been several such cases (teachers) this year alone.

And it was just a question. As such there was no point.

Reynolds actually slept with a minor and was charged while running fo re-election, still won and retained his seat until convicted. Clinton later pardoned him so apparently people find a Repub TALKING sex worse than a Dem who ACTUALLY had sex.

Funny, eh?

Quite frankly, the kid was 16 and no physical contact took place. While stupid of Foley, I'd say the bigger fools are those freaked out by the whole thing.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6133357 - 10/04/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

actually no. you're totally misrepresenting the entire situation. reynolds did his full sentence for his sex crimes. he got the minimum 5 years and did it all. while he was in prison he was convicted of bank fraud and got 71 more months. so he did like 42 months in federal prison and then clinton pardoned him.

and foley's actions violated federal law, laws he helped get pass. so he should be charged and if convicted, if he doesn't worm out of it with all his excuses, then he should do the minimum time in prison.

and quite frankly, i don't believe a word of what this hypocritical scum bag says. he probably has had sex with kids. you claim the people 'getting freaked out by the whole thing' are stupid. stupider than foley molesting underage kids online. that's an interesting stance you have. you don't seem to see much wrong with the chairmen of the online child predators comitee actually being a child predator. i guess you must be fiscally conservative or something...

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6133509 - 10/04/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

He should've flirted with a boy from New Jersey.

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #6133530 - 10/04/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You're correct. My recollection of the timing of the pardon was in error.

The rest I stand by

It takes more than probably to be convicted of a crime.

If you read what I wrote as I wrote it, you'll see I called Foley stupid. No-one else.



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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6133604 - 10/04/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Did anyone see that they are now thinking of suspending the whole page system? We need to stop tempting congressmen with our young, supple children! lmao

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Catalysis]
    #6133617 - 10/04/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If we're electing people we can't trust around our children, we're seriously screwed.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #6133953 - 10/04/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It should be made clear there is no evidence he was a pedophile. Pedophiles pefer prebuscent children generally 12 years old or younger. He was interest in a 16 year old boy. This is certainly not a case of pedophilia.

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: Silversoul]
    #6134084 - 10/04/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If we're becoming righteously indignate because a man flirted with a consenting sixteen year old on the internet, we're seriously screwed.

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6134097 - 10/04/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I was referring more specifically to Catalysis's comment.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6134199 - 10/04/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The hypocrisy of both the Republicans and Democrats on this issue is glaring. However, I look forward to it playing out to the detriment of the Republican establishment to the extent that power can be split between the two parties, as our liberties will be less imperiled as they are under one party rule.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6135709 - 10/05/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So in the end, what do we end up with?

A pedophile that wasn’t.

A child that was actually an adult.

The disclosure of personal electronic communications of a highly personal nature between two consenting adults revealed.

A sex scandal between a couple who never had sex.......


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6135719 - 10/05/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061005/ap_o...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Ex-page says he got messages from Foley By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press Writer
33 minutes ago



ATLANTA - A former congressional page said Thursday he received sexually suggestive messages from then-Rep. Mark Foley (news, bio, voting record) in 1997.

Tyson Vivyan's account appears to show the earliest exchange of suggestive messages reported so far between Foley and teens who had served in the Capitol page program. Previous accounts placed the earliest contacts in 2003.

Vivyan, 26, told The Associated Press that Foley began sending him instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a page ended in June 1997.

Vivyan, who gave interviews this week to other media, said he never met Foley personally during his stint as a page, other than brief greetings while working in the cloakroom beside the House chamber where members take breaks.

A few months later, he said, he started getting instant messages via computer from a person with the screen name MAF54, which has been linked in news reports to Foley. He said he wasn't sure who it was, but the person knew his name and physical description. He said the person asked personal questions, such as his sexual orientation.

Vivyan said he figured the person had to be on Capitol Hill, and began looking up initials in a congressional guide. He said that when he found Foley's initials — MAF, born in 1954 — he realized who it was.

"It was almost surreal. Not only was I conversing with a congressman in a personal manner, I was conversing in a sexual manner," Vivyan said.

After he guessed it was Foley, the person continued to contact him. Vivyan said he tried to turn the talk to politics. Foley would often stop talking and contact him a week later with suggestive messages.

Vivyan also said he was invited to Foley's brownstone in Washington. Vivyan said he didn't want to go alone, so brought a fellow page with him. He said they had pizza and soft drinks, and nothing sexual happened.

David Roth, attorney for the Florida Republican former congressman, declined to comment on the allegations.

Foley, 52, resigned Friday. He has since entered an alcohol rehabilitation facility at an undisclosed location. Through his lawyer, he has said he is gay but denied any sexual contact with minors.

Vivyan said he was nominated as a page by Rep. John. J. Duncan, R-Tenn. Don Walker, Duncan's deputy chief of staff, confirmed Thursday to the AP that Vivyan was a page from Duncan's district.

"We did not get any complaints form him while he was a page or after he was a page or anytime thereafter until Monday," Walker said. "As soon as we learned of it we turned it over to the authorities."

Vivyan said he was interviewed this week by the FBI. FBI spokesman Stephen Emmett in Atlanta declined comment.



What a surprise, another page sent IMs. Wow, this one goes back to 1997. That's a long time ago. And some interesting fun and games by Mr. Foley of not identifying himself.

Of course, while the statute of limitations in this particular instance may have run out, it surely shows a PATTERN of behavior over a LONG period of time.

With regard to whether Foley's IMs of 2003 are criminal, keep in mind that the laws with regard to sex crimes over the internet have recently changed. Mr. Foley helped write these new laws to protect children from predators. How funny. Anyway, the law now prohibits anyone from ''encouraging, offering or soliciting sexual conduct'' over the Internet with anyone under 18. This appears to be exactly the kind of behavior Mr. Foley was engaging in. So, it appears he may have broken the law. That's what the FBI is now investigating.

I'm curious, how do you ACTUALLY feel about the men who are online and "meet" a 14 year old girl who is actually a 35 year old male policeman and then get busted and go to jail? Do you have any sympathy for them since there never was a 14 year old girl that talked dirty to them online? This is the same law we are talking about. There is a nationwide sting going on right now with the FBI and local law enforcement pretending to be a minor to catch online predators. Many men have been caught in their "net" and arrested and later incarcerated as sex offenders. In Foley's cases, these were real kids. Isn't talking dirty to real kids not ready to talk dirty worse than talking dirty to fake kids who already like talking dirty?


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6135748 - 10/05/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I really hope that Rove's October Suprise is better than this...

Or maybe Rove created the fake Foley scandal to get rid of a GAY Republican and to push the "true" Woodward scandal off the headlines?

Muahahaha

Edited by lonestar2004 (10/05/06 09:30 AM)

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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6135763 - 10/05/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I really hope that Rove's October Suprise is better than this...

Or maybe Rove created the fake Foley scandal to get rid of a GAY Republican and to push the "true" Woodward scandal off the headlines?

Muahahaha






Wow, that Rove is good, he even has a time machine.

Or if not, it's at least being looked into.

The man is a genius. In the meantime, to get Foley to admit to being a gay alcoholic who was molested as a child by a clergyman? All for the cause and of course, Mark, those big FBI lawdogs can be told to grow some teeth at any point in time. Well, any point in time after November 7th...

Muahahaha


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6135781 - 10/05/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)



RRROOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVE!


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6136064 - 10/05/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Rove's big surprise will probably be another terror attack blamed on arabs. Although giving one man credit/blame for such things is inappropriate.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #6136869 - 10/05/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

14 is not 16.

16 is the age of consent.

A law saying you can't use the internet to talk dirty to someone of the age of consent is just plain stupid. It demonstrates why the Feds should deal strictly with the powers allowed them by the Constitution.

I have no problem with what he did as long as he didn't stalk, harrass or touch a minor under the age of consent.

As I have said before, I suspect your main interest here is his party, not what he did.

Thou doth protest too much.


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Re: Foley Leaves In Hurry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #6137313 - 10/05/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

18 is the applicable age in the Foley case, and is the age of consent/majority in most of the states including Florida which is applicable to the Foley case. And the Feds are involved with Internet sex cases involving minors whether you like it or not.

As for "stalking, harrassing and touching", was that even in question in the possible criminal case? This is about sexual conversations with a minor under the age of 18 on the internet.


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