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Recent School Shootings
#6116301 - 09/29/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Colo. gunman left rambling letter
By CHASE SQUIRES, Associated Press Writer Fri Sep 29, 2:07 PM ET
BAILEY, Colo. - The gunman who took six girls hostage in a high school classroom, killing one of them before taking his own life, sent his brother a long, rambling letter warning of his impending death, investigators said Friday.
"This is not a suicide note or a diary," Park County Sheriff Fred Wegener said. "However, many times, the letter references suicide. This letter clearly acknowledges his pending death.
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Principal shot at Wis. high school dies
CAZENOVIA, Wis. - A teenager brought two guns to his rural school and shot the principal to death Friday after a struggle with adults and other students, authorities said.
The 15-year-old was taken into custody and charged with first-degree intentional homicide, the district attorney said. No one else was hurt.
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A 53-year old homicidal maniac molests two schoolgirls, kills one, and shoots himself when the SWAT unit rushes in. A week later a 15-year old blows his principal's brains out and, if convicted, will receive life in prison.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Fospher]
#6116315 - 09/29/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Guns encourage murder
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Fospher]
#6116388 - 09/29/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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madness..
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The 15-year-old was taken into custody and charged with first-degree intentional homicide, the district attorney said.
The isolated case is dealt with, the root problem, unsolved.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Fospher]
#6116526 - 09/29/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Schools should be outlawed to protect the public.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6116571 - 09/29/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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personally i think that school curriculums need be created by the individual communities, not by the state. but then again such an approach does not fit into the fabric of our society. that would be like trying to fit a jigsaw piece into the wrong puzzle..
we need a new puzzle.
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MushmanTheManic said: Schools should be outlawed to protect the public.
Agreed. Along with lighters, they encourage arson.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: SirTripAlot]
#6116594 - 09/29/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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and spoons encourage obesity.....
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and puzzles encourage thinking..
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6117220 - 09/29/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Honestly, I think gun control is tactic to get the people in check. At the same time, I don't believe in private citizens owning guns, it's unfortunate that it is necessary. I don't know, we live in crazy times.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6117279 - 09/29/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Iraq could sure use a gun control law or two
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Fospher]
#6117380 - 09/29/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Clearly, videogames are to blame
Are all you gamers on drugs or something?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
#6117828 - 09/30/06 04:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basilides said: Guns encourage murder
that should be a bumper sticker. I have a better saying though: from my cold, dead hands.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: kotik]
#6117837 - 09/30/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"a gun is an extension of my arm, to abuse it is abusing myself" guns dont kill people, the government dose, and its brain washing schools. by far would i ever advocate violence but dont blame the tools we have blame the people or the minds behind them
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MushmanTheManic said: Schools should be outlawed to protect the public.
That was funny and yet sad because there is some reasoning to that.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/edu/school-mission.htm
The below is taken from that link. There is some more there.
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In his 1905 dissertation for Columbia Teachers College, Elwood Cubberly—the future Dean of Education at Stanford—wrote that schools should be factories "in which raw products, children, are to be shaped and formed into finished products...manufactured like nails, and the specifications for manufacturing will come from government and industry."
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The next year, the Rockefeller Education Board—which funded the creation of numerous public schools—issued a statement which read in part:
In our dreams...people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions [intellectual and character education] fade from our minds, and unhampered by tradition we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have ample supply. The task we set before ourselves is very simple...we will organize children...and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way.
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At the same time, William Torrey Harris, US Commissioner of Education from 1889 to 1906, wrote:
Ninety-nine [students] out of a hundred are automata, careful to walk in prescribed paths, careful to follow the prescribed custom. This is not an accident but the result of substantial education, which, scientifically defined, is the subsumption of the individual.
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Several years later, President Woodrow Wilson would echo these sentiments in a speech to businessmen:
We want one class to have a liberal education. We want another class, a very much larger class of necessity, to forego the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks.
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Writes Gatto: "Another major architect of standardized testing, H.H. Goddard, said in his book Human Efficiency (1920) that government schooling was about 'the perfect organization of the hive.'"
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While President of Harvard from 1933 to 1953, James Bryant Conant wrote that the change to a forced, rigid, potential-destroying educational system had been demanded by "certain industrialists and the innovative who were altering the nature of the industrial process."
In other words, the captains of industry and government explicitly wanted an educational system that would maintain social order by teaching us just enough to get by but not enough so that we could think for ourselves, question the sociopolitical order, or communicate articulately. We were to become good worker-drones, with a razor-thin slice of the population—mainly the children of the captains of industry and government—to rise to the level where they could continue running things.
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Like clockwork, studies show that America's schoolkids lag behind their peers in pretty much every industrialized nation. We hear shocking statistics about the percentage of high-school seniors who can't find the US on an unmarked map of the world or who don't know who Abraham Lincoln was.
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While President of Harvard from 1933 to 1953, James Bryant Conant wrote that the change to a forced, rigid, potential-destroying educational system had been demanded by "certain industrialists and the innovative who were altering the nature of the industrial process."
In other words, the captains of industry and government explicitly wanted an educational system that would maintain social order by teaching us just enough to get by but not enough so that we could think for ourselves, question the sociopolitical order, or communicate articulately. We were to become good worker-drones, with a razor-thin slice of the population—mainly the children of the captains of industry and government—to rise to the level where they could continue running things.
I think this is a misinterpretation of the Harvard President's quote. In all likelihood he was refering to a debate that was ongoing during that era where British colleges, led by Oxford and Cambridge, stated that they would absolutely refuse to teach anything that even resembled job training, including basic engineering, in favor of more traditional subjects like philosophy, history, and political science.
This meant that it became increasingly impossible for British companies to hire graduates with any form of relevant experience, and has been blamed, in part, for the decline of the British industrial complex during this time period. Industrialists in America responded by encouraging colleges to teach chemistry, engineering, and physics so as to escape a similar fate.
This is explained in more detail by Company: A Short History of a Revolutionary Idea by Micklethwait and Wooldridge.
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Like clockwork, studies show that America's schoolkids lag behind their peers in pretty much every industrialized nation. We hear shocking statistics about the percentage of high-school seniors who can't find the US on an unmarked map of the world or who don't know who Abraham Lincoln was.
It's also important to take the majority of these studies with a grain of salt, especially when America is compared with East Asian nations such as South Korea and Japan.
Why?
Look into how the public school system of South Korea deals with disability. The answer is simple: they don't. Kids who have learning disabilities, or a host of other problems, are simply forced out of South Korean public schools when they can no longer keep up. The situation isn't much better in Japan. Thus, the comparisons aren't fair, since those same students are kept in the American statistics.
When you compare America with western European nations, we still don't do great, but we do much better than the "global measurements" that are out there.
As for the other excerpts, well. I suppose there's some truth to it, but I'd be more curious in writings during the 1970s and 1980s than those that took place a century ago. The 70s and 80s were really what built the current mess that the American school system finds itself in. That's the era when cirricula were re-done, school goals re-examined, etc.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Economist]
#6118662 - 09/30/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Please note that I didn't bother to quote the comparison of the U.S. public educational system with that of other industrialized nations.
I don't think that way. People should strive for their personal BEST, where they care to and compete with their own, period. To many can see they are doing "better" then a next comparative best and settle for that, when they are still far below realizing their own personal potential.
It's not the way to think if one is to excel into higher leagues of innovation and that's why I didn't bother quoting it.
I did bother quoting the comment about HS seniors not being able to find the U.S. on an unmarked map and who don't know who Abraham Lincoln was. That is no where even in the ball park of doing our personal best as a Nation.
I agree, the U.S. does have many progressive and positive programs as of late that I think are wonderful! None the less, they are still a part of an over all system that is failing miserably in my eyes and is in need of a major over haul.
Private schools are popping up everywhere and the homeschooling rate doubles each year, (last I checked stats) because, the public system just isn't delivering and many parents know this. Not only are they not delivering the best we have the ability to provide, many schools are dumbing children down and are yet supporting programs that crush self esteem and self confidence (destroyers of potential)as well as tell many children they are stupid when they are not. In many cases it does more harm then good and that's why I had to sadly laugh with Mushmans comment to take our kids out of schools for their own safety.
There were quotes from that link that are just despicable.
Education is a great topic for this forum as it greatly contributes to the structuring of political environments, law, and raising awareness for areas of activism. I'm surprised it doesn't come up more often in here.
Oh and , sure things look different at the college and University level. I believe most of those quotes were referring to the public education of grades K-12. Though, how many of us have friends with college degrees who are waiting tables? I think that systems curriculum is failing young adults as well to prepare them for career success in the real world.
So many college curriculum's just continue to teach young adults to obediently jump through the pre set up hoops aligned for generating the masses to serve the elite in manual labor jobs.
And sure someone has to do them. Why does some of the hardest work typically afford the lowest pay and benefits? Makes no sense. I won;t be content with the system until it has a complete overhaul and the teachers of our children are the most intensely trained and highest salaried people in the Nation, who have to earn their pay. What is this tenure crap in teaching? Yes, I not so fondly remember my Roseanne Bar looking, crabby acting 6th grade Tenured teacher, none of our parents could get fired hard as they tried, stuffing her face with donuts and yelling at us all day. Or the disgusting tenured pervert hitting on me in Social Studies freshmen year who couldn't get fired and who I couldn't even get a transfer from out of his class into another one. Oh no, I had to drop the class or get hit on by the creepy perv.
Yes, the U.S. school systems is a real first rate first class act.
Hahahaha I just had a GREAT IDEA for a T-Shirt and Bumper Sticker.
I Survived the Public Educational System.
Well, this thread is more about children's physical safety in schools and laws related to that.
Back to your regularly scheduled program of kids and guns in schools......... 
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Recently in calgary there was a shooting of 15 students at a pta meeting citizens can't have guns there so no parents that where at the school meeting had anything to defend themselves or their children with.You can't stop bullets with tree hugging everyone love everyone laws,get over it the society is fucked you should be pushing for citizens to have gun laws in canada not bitching because we have what you cannot.Basically if you take away normal kind citizens guns,your left with nothing but heavily armed criminals and no one to stop them but the cops who never come until you're already dead.
What is really neaded is comprehensive training of use and respect for guns even at a young age if the kids knew and understand that they are only tools extensions of a persons will,that they will take lives away instead of everyone spreading fear that guns kill people and taking the responsibility off the shooter trust me the gun didn't put itself to his head and make him do it.If he coulden't have got a gun he would have made a bomb then there would be more dead wake up people there's worse things than guns.We really need to teach our kids what they do and what is right and wrong instead of letting them guess.I mean if your kid came home with an AK don't you think it would be time to ask questions.
oops didn't mean to direct this post a gettinjiggy.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Mr420]
#6118951 - 09/30/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for noting your reply wasn't directed at me.
I would like to reply to what you said though. I agree, in a world like ours where any nut can get a gun, even if they were illegalized, they still could off the black market, the citizens should be allowed to equally arm themselves for defensive purposes.
Like you said, its a matter of adults taking RESPONSIBILITY and safely storing them.
Children simply shouldn't have any easy access to loaded guns ready to be fired. That's simple enough to remedy if adults were all responsible with them.
Instead of getting annoyed with the tree huggers, I would get annoyed with the irresponsible adults who own guns. The tree huggers have issue with them as well.
I wouldn't rule out a tree hugging way of life along with safe storage and safe usage measures. If ALL kids were raised by tree huggers, there would be no one using guns to shoot at innocent civilians in the first place. They need to go hand in hand for a truly effective LONG TERM, solution to take place.
What good is teaching gun safety to a fired up 16 year old who believes it's Okay to go postal on people when you are upset with the world? All that will do is teach him how to safely blow holes into people.
Illegalizing guns at this stage of human evolution is an ignorant solution. I totally agree. For as long as they exist on this planet, they will be able to get into the hands of psychos. People should be allowed to protect themselves from them, yes indeed, until we stop raising psychos. I realize many are born with brain deficiencies that lead to psychotic behavior and they can be caught with advances in technology and treated at an early age.
Other violent offenders are very sane in the legal sense and are just severely disturbed people with anger management issues. That's where the tree huggers can come in to help with prevention and long term solutions. Ones who have a reached a peacefull way of living, have a lot to offer regarding teaching how to not become severely disturbed, rise to anger quickly and how to channel angry energy constructively.
I wouldn't totally rule them out of the process of making this world a safer place for children to go to school in. Their place is in teaching such things to the youth and parents raising the youth.
Not all tree hugging types are anti gun for civilians. They would like to see the world come to such a civilized place that people simply no longer desire to attack others with weapons. Until then, many support or at least understand and respect the right for others to defend themselves, although most choose not to own guns themselves.
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Actually I'm a tree hugger.It's just one place i'm conflicted and know a true tree hugging lovey law won't work.I own and have even wen't through the process of getting a ccw to carry all the time.So I guess really I am one of those pro gun hippies you tried to tell me about.Good thought out post though.
And on this: What good is teaching gun safety to a fired up 16 year old who believes it's Okay to go postal on people when you are upset with the world? All that will do is teach him how to safely blow holes into people.
I really meant they should be taught by someone responsible,maybe a real firearm instruction course.And acctually I owned my first gun at 12 bought by my grandfather.I never went postal and shot up the school.Its bad parents who dont teach properly more than anything,when I was 16 I probly had 4-5 different shotguns and rifles and all my own ammo I just new what guns where capable of and why it was wrong to do that to people or animals.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Mr420]
#6122218 - 10/01/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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guns are not needed to do what any of these kids are doing in these school shootings, take away guns it gets sicker, ya got bombs and other less humane ways of killing. guns bombs whatever there is allot of different tools one of these sick minded people can use. remember school bombings common thing? guns are just as bad as bombs, there evil tools for death, the tools don't matter, its just human kind, its just nature, yin and yang, some people are just "natural born killers" , we all do our roles in this great world, it hurts real bad when you see this in your own school, i threw down my pistols, hated them and the people, hate is so fake, there is a point where ya realize sick fucking world is all a perception, the real world is good, and the killers haver every right to play there role, SAME AS YOUR ROLE TO BATTLE THEM. were not going to off the lions, lock up the wolves, kill the cigarette fat cats, NO, because you play your role.
lets battle them with our knowledge and wits, not complain about there tools and the system.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
#6122318 - 10/01/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basilides said: Iraq could sure use a gun control law or two
Iraq could assuredly use a fucking lobotomy or two.
Take a gun away from a rabid, murderous lunatic, and you have a person that won't kill someone. 
America could use an aircraft-control law or two.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
#6122460 - 10/01/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Guns encourage murder
about 70 million american gun owners didn't kill anyone today.
guns can certainly facilitate murder. so can gasoline. with less than $10 worth of gasoline, some old rags, and empty glass bottles, one could arm themself for mayhem and murder better than with most firearms. there are disturbed people out there with murder on their minds. trying to rid the populace of legally owned firearms isn't going to solve that.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: wilshire]
#6122495 - 10/01/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Charles Manson used charisma and coersion to commit mass murder.
Clearly that wouldn't have happened if was illegal to talk people into doing things.
Gun control gains popularity when people who were too incompetent to enforce existing laws decide that they want to fail just as badly at enforcing several other new laws.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: wilshire]
#6123107 - 10/01/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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wilshire said: Guns encourage murder
about 70 million american gun owners didn't kill anyone today.
guns can certainly facilitate murder. so can gasoline. with less than $10 worth of gasoline, some old rags, and empty glass bottles, one could arm themself for mayhem and murder better than with most firearms. there are disturbed people out there with murder on their minds. trying to rid the populace of legally owned firearms isn't going to solve that.
I said they encourage murder, not helplessly smite the owner into a killing automaton.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
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"a violent society with the means of murder will express its nature accordingly." - I
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
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AlteredAgain said: "a violent society with the means of murder will express its nature accordingly." - I
And this here is all a man needs to have the means of murder:
To be honest... you don't even need hands.
In order to stop people from murdering one another, they'd all need to be lobotomized and put in cages. And then they'd just start killing themselves instead of killing each other.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Konnrade]
#6125081 - 10/02/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some other piece of shit took over a one room schoolhouse in Lancaster County PA and executed several girls before executing his execrable self. Would it have happened if the teacher was armed?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: zappaisgod]
#6125091 - 10/02/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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One day an armed teacher snaps and kills a few students. Would it have happened if the students were armed?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: barfightlard]
#6125141 - 10/02/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's nothing to prevent him/her from doing that now, is there?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: barfightlard]
#6125177 - 10/02/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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barfightlard said: One day an armed teacher snaps and kills a few students. Would it have happened if the students were armed?
There are most definitely certain places where guns just do not belong. government facilities are one such place. Places such as schools normally either have a police officer stationed at them or one that is always nearby. It's best that the police be the only people that carry guns there.
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zappaisgod said: There's nothing to prevent him/her from doing that now, is there?
And no... there most definitely isn't. As long as they manage to conceal it, a teacher could hypothetically smuggle in any weapon they wanted to and start killing people. The enforcement against such a thing is just not perfect.
And it's worth mentioning that any idiot who claims that they've thought of a law that IS perfect has, in doing so, just proven that they're not qualified to be a lawmaker, as any reasonable lawmaker would know that no law is perfect.
Murders happen, robberies happen, accidental shootings happen, and no amount of paranoid legislation is capable of stopping them. The one thing that CAN lessen the occurences is improvements on the efficiency of enforcing the current laws (with the exception of accidental shootings, which no law would be able to have much effect on without revoking the second ammendment). This won't put an end to any of them, but it can lessen the occurrence up to a point. If someone gets greedy and decides they want more than that, want to lessen it beyond that reasonable point, then it's the voter's job to make sure they fail, lose their job, or preferrably both.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
#6125814 - 10/02/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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wilshire said: Guns encourage murder guns can certainly facilitate murder.
I said they encourage murder
I really have to hear the explanation for this, guns are simply tools, like a screw driver or a lawn mower, they are inanimate objects, they encourage nothing, until you put your hand on it, it simply sits there, not thinking, speaking or even breathing. people have been stabbed with kitchen knives, do they also encourage murder?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: zappaisgod]
#6125824 - 10/02/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Would it have happened if the teacher was armed?
would it have happened if the children were home schooled?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6125945 - 10/02/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crazy people with guns frighten me. Sane people with guns that enjoy hunting and wish to protect themselves from the crazies, I cant say I blame them. Though if no one had guns, I think there would be a lot less stray bullets killing innocent people, and uneducated people robbing normal working class folk. The fact is theres gonna be guns and people have the right to protect themselves from other people. Its a shame when this stuff happens, but guns arent to blame, they dont have any intentions or emotions, they're just guns, like a pencil is a pencil. People are what make guns bad.
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badreligion2good said: Though if no one had guns, I think there would be a lot less stray bullets killing innocent people, and uneducated people robbing normal working class folk.
robbery and thievery go back long before the time of gun powder, think of it this way, with a gun, it's more humane, a lott less bludgeoning and screaming, it's easier for the assailant as well, much less work involved
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People are what make guns bad.
people just like to place the blame anywhere they can, obviously the problem cant be people...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3750568.stm
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6126302 - 10/02/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seeing that government officials are historically responsible for the deaths of more innocents than private citizens, it would seem reasonable to minimize the threat to innocent lives by minimizing the power, scope and number of people in government employ.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Trepiodos]
#6126342 - 10/02/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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motivation, organization and mobilization
it's what we lack in shifting that power
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6126448 - 10/02/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3750568.stm
See what happens when you ban guns?
People start stabbing each other instead.
Hell, in the UK the gun ban didn't even WORK. There are more criminals with guns than there are patrolmen with guns.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Konnrade]
#6126525 - 10/02/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Konnrade]
#6127998 - 10/03/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hell, in the UK the gun ban didn't even WORK.
shh, don't say that too loud...
gun control is like drug prohibition. you won't find anyone who actually shoots guns, and is familiar with them and the issues that surround them, calling for prohibition, because they know better. the prohibitionists are naive, misinformed, and get their "facts" from sensationalist and biased media reports.
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