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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
#6122318 - 10/01/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Basilides said: Iraq could sure use a gun control law or two
Iraq could assuredly use a fucking lobotomy or two.
Take a gun away from a rabid, murderous lunatic, and you have a person that won't kill someone.
America could use an aircraft-control law or two.
Peace.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
#6122460 - 10/01/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guns encourage murder
about 70 million american gun owners didn't kill anyone today.
guns can certainly facilitate murder. so can gasoline. with less than $10 worth of gasoline, some old rags, and empty glass bottles, one could arm themself for mayhem and murder better than with most firearms. there are disturbed people out there with murder on their minds. trying to rid the populace of legally owned firearms isn't going to solve that.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: wilshire]
#6122495 - 10/01/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Charles Manson used charisma and coersion to commit mass murder.
Clearly that wouldn't have happened if was illegal to talk people into doing things.
Gun control gains popularity when people who were too incompetent to enforce existing laws decide that they want to fail just as badly at enforcing several other new laws.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: wilshire]
#6123107 - 10/01/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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wilshire said: Guns encourage murder
about 70 million american gun owners didn't kill anyone today.
guns can certainly facilitate murder. so can gasoline. with less than $10 worth of gasoline, some old rags, and empty glass bottles, one could arm themself for mayhem and murder better than with most firearms. there are disturbed people out there with murder on their minds. trying to rid the populace of legally owned firearms isn't going to solve that.
I said they encourage murder, not helplessly smite the owner into a killing automaton.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
#6123128 - 10/01/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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"a violent society with the means of murder will express its nature accordingly." - I
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
#6123194 - 10/02/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: "a violent society with the means of murder will express its nature accordingly." - I
And this here is all a man needs to have the means of murder:
To be honest... you don't even need hands.
In order to stop people from murdering one another, they'd all need to be lobotomized and put in cages. And then they'd just start killing themselves instead of killing each other.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Konnrade]
#6125081 - 10/02/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some other piece of shit took over a one room schoolhouse in Lancaster County PA and executed several girls before executing his execrable self. Would it have happened if the teacher was armed?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: zappaisgod]
#6125091 - 10/02/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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One day an armed teacher snaps and kills a few students. Would it have happened if the students were armed?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: barfightlard]
#6125141 - 10/02/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's nothing to prevent him/her from doing that now, is there?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: zappaisgod]
#6125147 - 10/02/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: barfightlard]
#6125177 - 10/02/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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barfightlard said: One day an armed teacher snaps and kills a few students. Would it have happened if the students were armed?
There are most definitely certain places where guns just do not belong. government facilities are one such place. Places such as schools normally either have a police officer stationed at them or one that is always nearby. It's best that the police be the only people that carry guns there.
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zappaisgod said: There's nothing to prevent him/her from doing that now, is there?
And no... there most definitely isn't. As long as they manage to conceal it, a teacher could hypothetically smuggle in any weapon they wanted to and start killing people. The enforcement against such a thing is just not perfect.
And it's worth mentioning that any idiot who claims that they've thought of a law that IS perfect has, in doing so, just proven that they're not qualified to be a lawmaker, as any reasonable lawmaker would know that no law is perfect.
Murders happen, robberies happen, accidental shootings happen, and no amount of paranoid legislation is capable of stopping them. The one thing that CAN lessen the occurences is improvements on the efficiency of enforcing the current laws (with the exception of accidental shootings, which no law would be able to have much effect on without revoking the second ammendment). This won't put an end to any of them, but it can lessen the occurrence up to a point. If someone gets greedy and decides they want more than that, want to lessen it beyond that reasonable point, then it's the voter's job to make sure they fail, lose their job, or preferrably both.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Basilides]
#6125814 - 10/02/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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wilshire said: Guns encourage murder guns can certainly facilitate murder.
I said they encourage murder
I really have to hear the explanation for this, guns are simply tools, like a screw driver or a lawn mower, they are inanimate objects, they encourage nothing, until you put your hand on it, it simply sits there, not thinking, speaking or even breathing. people have been stabbed with kitchen knives, do they also encourage murder?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: zappaisgod]
#6125824 - 10/02/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Would it have happened if the teacher was armed?
would it have happened if the children were home schooled?
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6125945 - 10/02/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crazy people with guns frighten me. Sane people with guns that enjoy hunting and wish to protect themselves from the crazies, I cant say I blame them. Though if no one had guns, I think there would be a lot less stray bullets killing innocent people, and uneducated people robbing normal working class folk. The fact is theres gonna be guns and people have the right to protect themselves from other people. Its a shame when this stuff happens, but guns arent to blame, they dont have any intentions or emotions, they're just guns, like a pencil is a pencil. People are what make guns bad.
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badreligion2good said: Though if no one had guns, I think there would be a lot less stray bullets killing innocent people, and uneducated people robbing normal working class folk.
robbery and thievery go back long before the time of gun powder, think of it this way, with a gun, it's more humane, a lott less bludgeoning and screaming, it's easier for the assailant as well, much less work involved
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People are what make guns bad.
people just like to place the blame anywhere they can, obviously the problem cant be people...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3750568.stm
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6126302 - 10/02/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seeing that government officials are historically responsible for the deaths of more innocents than private citizens, it would seem reasonable to minimize the threat to innocent lives by minimizing the power, scope and number of people in government employ.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Trepiodos]
#6126342 - 10/02/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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motivation, organization and mobilization
it's what we lack in shifting that power
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6126448 - 10/02/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3750568.stm
See what happens when you ban guns?
People start stabbing each other instead.
Hell, in the UK the gun ban didn't even WORK. There are more criminals with guns than there are patrolmen with guns.
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Konnrade]
#6126525 - 10/02/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Recent School Shootings [Re: Konnrade]
#6127998 - 10/03/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hell, in the UK the gun ban didn't even WORK.
shh, don't say that too loud...
gun control is like drug prohibition. you won't find anyone who actually shoots guns, and is familiar with them and the issues that surround them, calling for prohibition, because they know better. the prohibitionists are naive, misinformed, and get their "facts" from sensationalist and biased media reports.
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