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OfflineJalruza
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Re: Exorcism [Re: sysD]
    #6093239 - 09/23/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

What are you TALKING about?

I already see reguraly THREE different psychologist, what is your point?


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Re: Exorcism [Re: Jalruza]
    #6093243 - 09/23/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Jalruza said:
What are you TALKING about?

I already see reguraly THREE different psychologist, what is your point?




What do they say about your possession theory? I'm curious as to how each reacted to it.


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Re: Exorcism [Re: unbeliever]
    #6093247 - 09/23/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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There is a reason the devil has cloven feet.. it's because he's a scapegoat. Mental illness is bad enough without trying to sensationalize it as demonic possession. Plus by doing so you preclude any legitimate treatment that might help the person.

I'm not saying demonic possession isn't possible, I can't say I have enough information to make a decisive judgment on that. But based on the information, knowledge and experience I do have I would recommend at least trying the modern medical approach to mental illness before going off the deep end. It makes no sense to go from zero to head-spinning without getting help before then.

Or if you truly believe you are possessed, hey maybe it's a bi-polar demon that needs to be medicated?






I agree with that.. I am not totally against the fact that Demons could enter a person if they wanted to.. There are things out there we do not understand, nor do we want to..

But allot of exorcisms over the years are false, and can be related to mental illness, or the power of suggestion. Hence the Salem witch trials where people were accused of being in league, or possessed by the devil, and were killed..

Have there been true cases.. Sure.. Do i believe that its as easy as any devil just popping into you.. Then i think that would totally make a higher good Creator totally useless..


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Re: Exorcism [Re: MrSinister]
    #6095031 - 09/24/06 05:33 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I didnt tell my shrinks anything about the demons to be honest... i know there is no need to its outside of their field and they cant do anything about it

Heck even the most seasoned spiritual healers and mystics not always are able to excorcise enities in one go, let alone shrinks.

There are 4 levels of health i distinguish when it comes to healing:

Physical
Mental and emotional
Etheric
Spiritual

Modern medicine so far can only deal with the first two. They do not know / nor recognise the upper two levels and that is where my problems are.


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Re: Exorcism [Re: rod]
    #6095105 - 09/24/06 07:22 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

ayahuasca you say? iv never heard much about the use of this..


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Re: Exorcism [Re: Jalruza]
    #6095654 - 09/24/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Jalruza said:
What are you TALKING about?

I already see reguraly THREE different psychologist, what is your point?





What do they say about your possession theory? I'm curious as to how each reacted to it.




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Jalruza said:
I didnt tell my shrinks anything about the demons to be honest... i know there is no need to its outside of their field and they cant do anything about it.




My point is that you're wasting your money at those three shrinks if you're holding back and not even trying to address your problem. They can't help you if you lie to them. I think it's a bit cowardly to not tell them, assuming you really want to be helped. I think you're afraid that your "demons" are something more mundane (though just as serious) like a known mental disorder. Because then you're just someone who has some issues that need to be worked through. You're not longer this "special" person infested with otherwordly beings.

That may sound harsh, but man, if you really truly want to get better and have a chance at a happier life you should fully disclose everything that's on your mind to your psychologists. They're there to help you but you have to meet them half way. Give it a shot, if they react in a way you don't like.. stop going to them and try to find someone who will work with you on it. Just don't be a pussy and hide it from the people who can help you so you can keep crowing about your demonic possession on some message board.


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Re: Exorcism [Re: unbeliever]
    #6095721 - 09/24/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Some of them cant be saved . . .


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Re: Exorcism [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #6095862 - 09/24/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Some of them cant be saved . . .




Which is not an excuse to quit trying.


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Re: Exorcism [Re: unbeliever]
    #6096463 - 09/24/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

people who belive in deamons are uneducated and dumb..
i'm not even gonna bother expand on that, you should be smart enough to know already.


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Re: Exorcism [Re: grphish]
    #6096549 - 09/24/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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people who belive in deamons are uneducated and dumb..
i'm not even gonna bother expand on that, you should be smart enough to know already.




The hubris of inflexibly declarative thought tends to discredit any self-avowed intellect.

Just sayin'


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Re: Exorcism [Re: unbeliever]
    #6110103 - 09/28/06 03:21 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

"My point is that you're wasting your money at those three shrinks"


Dude, all of my shrikns are state paid. There free! In fact im on my way to see one now.

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you should fully disclose everything that's on your mind to your psychologists"

Dude, read my other post, demonology is simply outside of their field of knowdldge and understanding


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Re: Exorcism [Re: Jalruza]
    #6110394 - 09/28/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Jalruza said:
"My point is that you're wasting your money at those three shrinks"


Dude, all of my shrikns are state paid. There free! In fact im on my way to see one now.




Great, so you're wasting my money on shrinks. Jackass.

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Jalruza said:
"you should fully disclose everything that's on your mind to your psychologists"

Dude, read my other post, demonology is simply outside of their field of knowdldge and understanding




And that last statement allows you to comfortably remain in your fantasy life of demonic possession. If you're so sure you'd be more willing to test it in the face of logic (not to mention compassion and understanding that the doctors could likely offer as well). You don't want to be helped, that much is obvious. I hope for your sake that one day your desire to change and become healthy outweighs your need for attention. Good luck.


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Re: Exorcism [Re: Jalruza]
    #6111642 - 09/28/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude, read my other post, demonology is simply outside of their field of knowdldge and understanding




In other words, you're trying to avoid the issue with them.

Don't delude yourself into thinking that what is going on inside of your head is something that you are more qualified to understand than a doctor of psychology or pschiatry is. That's foolish, it's not good for you, and it's also more than a little arrogant.


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Re: Exorcism [Re: Konnrade]
    #6111878 - 09/28/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Dude I know what your talking about, I've hallucinated demons before myself, and I've seen some very odd things,

but the thing is you should never relinquish power to such things, because it is partly a self-conjured creation that exists within your mind

Demons cannot hurt you, they can only influence you to hurt yourself, which means you have to believe in them, which is not what we're here for, I'm sure its really neat and interesting, but such delusions can lead you to harm yourself,

but its all self-induced in a sense, you don't realize it, its partly real, but its partly not, its semi-real is what it is, but its real simply to not be effected, and thats not acknowledging them, thats what they want, they want there existence acknowledged,

you got to understand Satan was made in the image of a lie, of delusion, of trickery, deception, your not suppose to authenticate him, if you do, your only relinquishing your power to a lie, its hard to explain, but its true,

also exorcism you see on t.v. documentaries are the silliest and most ridiculous stuff I ever seen, those people are straight up acting, their acting out a role, partly because they want to, their relinquishing their will to Satan, but its a joke, because they believe what there doing is real, they have fooled themselves, and that is the trickery that Satan does, because he does nothing but plant false ideas into your head, if you want the demons to go away,

its simple, don't believe in them, acknowledge their existence, don't be interested in them, don't understand their magic, or their powers, don't believe in their false promises, Yes they can even bribe you to follow them, but see if you give into such notions, it will only lead you down the wrong road,


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Re: Exorcism [Re: Jalruza]
    #6112025 - 09/28/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Exercising demons only makes them stronger.


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Re: Exorcism [Re: Jalruza]
    #6112047 - 09/28/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I didnt read everything people said, but you need to stop doing drugs. There is a fine line between what you can handle mentally and what you cant handle. You my friend, have crossed that line. It may FEEL like you are possessed, you may THINK you see yourself shapeshifting, but you arent. Possession does not exist nor has it ever existed. People just have defective brains. I would advise you to lay off any type of drug (including alcohol and reefer) and go into a long rejuvination period. Keep seeing a psychologist if you have one, and deal with yourself as a person not as a "demon."


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Re: Exorcism [Re: AaronEvil]
    #6115302 - 09/29/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

"I would advise you to lay off any type of drug (including alcohol and reefer)"




















































NEVER!!!


Ohh and to others thanks for your support, exorcism can be real , its basically having godly holy vibes around you which negative spirits find extreemle repulsive. Im on it. Im also working with few noble mystics and healers on this.


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Re: Exorcism [Re: Jalruza]
    #6115328 - 09/29/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Now don't laugh! Demonic possession and exorcism are as old as time it self.




Yes, and so are certain ideas, like we exist at the center of the universe, the sun revolves around us, the world is flat, and more.

Hey, since we are digging up the past, let all through shit at each other, monkeys do it now, so my guess is we did it back then.  :smile:

Personally, I dont belive in demons, fairies, or the easter bunny.
I would urge you all to see the doc , The God delusion, the Virus of Faith.
Richard Dawkins(spelling?) is the awsome!!!

As he points out, most of us are already Atheists, some of us just go one god further.
Jesus. :wink:


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