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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Basilides]
    #6098495 - 09/25/06 03:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

This threads starting to smell like pig droppings.

Quit it.


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    #6098946 - 09/25/06 05:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6099057 - 09/25/06 05:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The article would have been okay until he starts the name-calling, then he's just as bad as the e-mail he quotes.

I'm also tiring very quickly of all the revisionist history that's taking place these days, pretending the Soviet Union didn't exist. Most of the Latin American interventions that took place after 1920 were due, either directly or indirectly, to Soviet involvement. Furthermore, the notable intervention that took place after the Soviet Union was in decline, Panama, has benefitted that country in the long term, while hurting "US Elites" because of a return of the Panama Canal.

Jensen then tries to say that Chavez is making a point because we're hypocrits for aggressively invading another country. Except he doesn't note that Chavez himself runs a nation that fails to obey the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (talk about hypocrisy). Then he goes on to describe many on the right as "ignorant" despite the fact that he's ignoring both history and present political situations.

Why couldn't he just point out the, very real, fear of military action that Chavez harbors? The fact that a prominent US figure, Pat Robertson, has openly called for his assasination.

That alone speaks for itself. When Jensen stoops to hurling insults and changing history, it diminishes the piece too much for my tastes.


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    #6099504 - 09/25/06 08:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Basilides]
    #6099838 - 09/25/06 09:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Your statement does not make sense. Why would it smell like pig droppings?





(Sigh).....

A major part of Venezuela's economy comes from livestock:


http://countrystudies.us/venezuela/27.htm

The country's livestock industries accounted for nearly a third of all output in the agricultural sector and met the nation's basic meat consumption needs. The pork and poultry industries fared well during the 1980s, while the beef and dairy industries struggled. The cattle industry, a mainstay of Venezuela's central plains for centuries, failed to modernize along with the pork and poultry industries during the 1970s and 1980s. The low prices paid by the government, combined with producer export taxes, hurt cattle ranchers, who did not export for several years during the 1980s. Both cattle ranchers and dairy farmers were unable to maximize production. The government sought to intervene in the case of the dairy industry, providing various levels of subsidies, especially for consumers. These policies proved unsuccessful, however, and did more to promote corruption in milk distribution than efficiency in production. By 1990 the country was only 40 percent self-sufficient in milk. Many of the subsidies were likely targets of market-oriented reforms in the early 1990s.

The poultry and pork industries succeeded in bringing more modern production techniques to Venezuela beginning in the 1970s. Some 2.5 million pigs were slaughtered in 1988, up from 1.7 million in 1980. The poultry industry also increased production, from 156 million broilers in 1980 to 251 million in 1988. The country exported modest amounts of poultry in the mid-1980s. Both the pork and poultry industries, however, faced increased costs after 1989 as a result of the exchange rate liberalization that raised the cost of imported feeds.


If the President smells of Sulfur from his demonic policies, then Chavez smells like pigshit (or better yet oil) from his.


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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6099842 - 09/25/06 09:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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This threads starting to smell like pig droppings.

Quit it.





You the thought police?


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.”


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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6100540 - 09/25/06 11:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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BrAiN said:
hah.. what's considered upper class in venezuela... *3* magic beans per week?



Excellent show of ignorance and cultural chauvanism.  Bravo! :handth:




Ohh boo hoo... waaaa.. Did I get your little panties in a wad because I made a hyperbole about how poor Venezuela was? I thought $6,100 per year (and 47% living below the poverty line) would be pretty poor but I guess, according to your precious little PC world, it's rude to point that out.

Actually that's all a lie. I made up those stats. I really, totally,  **actually** think that Venezuelans make an income of three magic beans per week. You got me silversoul... you totally caught me. The truth is out... I, BrAiN,... believe in magic beans.

And I also believe in magical farts.


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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6103665 - 09/26/06 04:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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As for using the Soviet Union as a boogeyman to try to justify blatant exploitation by the U.S. imperialists, U.S. "intervention" (I'll call it that for now to temporarily avoid a larger discussion) in Latin America begin well before the October Revolution and the consolidation of power by the Bolsheviks after the Russian Civil War, and it continued unchanged; it just now had a more effective propaganda cover.



I specifically reffered to interventions after 1920 in my original post, you can go back and re-read it if you need to.

Furthermore, what are you talking about "propaganda cover"? So your claim is that Cuba, Nicaragua, Colombia, etc. didn't recieve Soviet funding/weapons/training/support, despite obvious evidence to the contrary?

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Truthfully, I really don't think you care all that much about understanding the culture and history of the Americas pre-Colombus, and the ideologies and beliefs behind resistance fighters and revolutionary movements among the native inhabitants of the Western hemisphere. Becuase if you did you would know that the spirit of indigenous resistance to European colonialism & subsequent American imperialism goes back way further than the formation of the Soviet Union and has roots much deeper than the writings and ideas of Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels. Study figures such as Cuauhtémoc, Rumiñahui, Túpac Amaru, Tecumseh, Simón Bolívar, Crazy Horse, Cochise, Sitting Bull, Geronimo, José Martí, Emiliano Zapata, Pancho Villa, José Carlos Mariátegui, Farabundo Martí, Augusto César Sandino, Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, Ernesto "Che" Guevara, Gustavo Gutiérrez, Néstor Cerpa Cartolini, Subcomandante Marcos (and so many others) to gain a much broader sense of understanding on the indigenous cultures of the Amercas and how they viewed/view imposed European values and political structures.



What does any of this have to do with Chavez?

Chavez isn't espousing some ancient value system that predates Colombus. What he is espousing is an irresponsible combination of militarism and socialism, which will eventually result in the demise of Venezuela.


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    #6112822 - 09/28/06 10:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Opinions on Chavez speech at the General Assembly? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6113702 - 09/29/06 12:39 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

So, your argument is that Chavez has something to be mad about because of events that occured a century ago?

Great, let's all go back a hundred years, dig up all of our grievances, and air them out at the UN.

That'll be real productive.


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