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What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity?
    #6110566 - 09/28/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Aside from conflict and fear, what else? (Let's just stick to the last 200 years or so)


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
    #6110613 - 09/28/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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(Let's just stick to the last 200 years or so)




How convenient :wink:

What has the world of Christianity contributed to the rest of humanity?


If you depart from religion and venture into geographic location:
What has the population of europe contributed to the rest of humanity?

You could say anything. Its perfectly acceptable and defendable to say that the population of europe has ruined the rest of humanity. Extorting wealth, wiping out cultural diversity, completely ass-raping the enviroment with nuclear campfires and chemical pottery and doing away with as many organism species as an extinction level meteor impact.

Or you could say the people of Europe saved the world entirely :smirk:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
    #6110619 - 09/28/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Going back a few centuries to their Golden Years, the world of Islam could have easily asked the same thing of the Christian world.

All cultures have their nadirs and zeniths (both words contributed to the English language from the world of Islam) and the Islamic world has obviously been in decline ever since the fall of their last empire. But 200 years is a very short sample size from civilizations that have been around for millenia and contributed such essentials to humanity as vast knowledge regarding chemistry, astronomy, algebra, medicine and other sciences/ mathematics, along with thousands of words to the English language.

As for an actual answer to your question, Morocco has contributed tens of thousands of tons of hashish and marijuana to Europe and all the surrounding areas, Afghanistan has contributed tens of thousands of tons of opium and heroin all over the world, and they've sent all their smart students over here to work as doctors in our hospitals. Quite a success story, eh?


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Ravus]
    #6110637 - 09/28/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How about containment of Christianity in its most aggressive years? Buddhists and Hindus would've been toast.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
    #6110700 - 09/28/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

I think Islam invented The first RELIGIOUS tax commanded or justified from Allah.
"Jizya" Allah/Muhammad said if you do not want to convert to Islam you could pay this tax and we will not Kill you.


But what about the future????

Islam has great plans for what it wants to do with the world....


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
    #6110771 - 09/28/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
How about containment of Christianity in its most aggressive years? Buddhists and Hindus would've been toast.




What are you talking about? If anything the Christians ground the armies of Islam to a halt during Islam's most aggressive years. The crusades only happened as a response to the initial Islamic invasions...

But, if you want to look at the last 200 years of Islam, it becomes hard to say, mostly because religions as a whole didn't contribute much since the 1800s. Do you count the contributions of nations with large Islamic populations as being contributions of Islam, or do the contributions have to come from religious movements/leaders themselves?

Priests, Monks, and Imams may have been driving forces in technological and cultural development during the 1500s and 1600s, but by the 1800s the big players had become governments, academics, and even some corporations.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Economist]
    #6110779 - 09/28/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i should rephrase my question: what has modern islam contributed to humanity?


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
    #6110820 - 09/28/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Quote:

(Let's just stick to the last 200 years or so)




How convenient :wink:

What has the world of Christianity contributed to the rest of humanity?


If you depart from religion and venture into geographic location:
What has the population of Europe contributed to the rest of humanity?

You could say anything. Its perfectly acceptable and defendable to say that the population of europe has ruined the rest of humanity. Extorting wealth, wiping out cultural diversity, completely ass-raping the enviroment with nuclear campfires and chemical pottery and doing away with as many organism species as an extinction level meteor impact.

Or you could say the people of Europe saved the world entirely :smirk:




Acceptable? Acceptable to who exactly? Not me, that's for sure, and if it is acceptable to you, I suggest you take every piece of technology you use, including the computer you just posted with, and throw it in the trash in protest.

If it weren't for Europeans, I would be long dead due to medical conditions.

Oh wait, I know, I probably wouldn't have those conditions in the first place, since we all know all ailments come from the technology brought about by those evil northern people.  :rolleyes:

Wiping out cultural diversity, that's cute. I realize you're from Europe, so things will be different, but here in north America, cultural diveristy is the rule, not to be strayed from. Especially in my country, Canada, where we have non stop ad campaigns promoting cultural diversity. Toronto is arguably one of the most diverse cities in the world.

I suggest you go to an Arab country, and preach cultural diversity. Or maybe try China, or Japan, or etc etc.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Ravus]
    #6110824 - 09/28/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Ravus said:
Islam contributed such essentials to humanity as vast knowledge regarding chemistry, astronomy, algebra, medicine and other sciences/ mathematics..





Islam "contributed" or invented all that???  :rolleyes:

  Apparently they have not done SHIT with it..... other than building a bunch of mosques.

IMO A single religious culture, is bad news for all forms of innovation and the freedom of thought.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
    #6110845 - 09/28/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Islam or Christianity has not directly contribute to anything to humanity. The only thing that has contributed to humanity are ourselves, not a religious idea.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #6110861 - 09/28/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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A single religious culture, is bad news for all forms of innovation and the freedom of thought




I agree 100% but that pic in your sig makes me want to puke all over, kill myself, be reborn in my next life and kill myself again  :lol:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
    #6110874 - 09/28/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Syle said:
i should rephrase my question: what has modern islam contributed to humanity?




this one is easy, I'm suprised I'm the first one to answer it.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/247/

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Islam instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation.  Within a few years of the spread of Islam, great civilizations and universities were flourishing.  The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas, and of new thought with old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.  Many crucial systems, such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and the concept of zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics), were transmitted to medieval Europe from the Muslim world.  Sophisticated instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of discovery, such as the astrolabe, the quadrant, and good navigational maps, were also developed by Muslims.




http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa050600a.htm

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These English words are rooted in the Arabic language, demonstrating the influence of Muslim scholars in these fields:

alchemy
algebra
algorithm
alkali
almanac
antimony
average
azimuth
camphor
carat
cipher (zero)
elixir
nadir
pancreas
soda
zenith
zircon




John William Draper in the "Intellectual Development of Europe"

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"I have to deplore the systematic manner in which the literature of Europe has continued to put out of sight our obligations to the Muhammadans. Surely they cannot be much longer hidden. Injustice founded on religious rancour and national conceit cannot be perpetuated forever. The Arab has left his intellectual impress on Europe. He has indelibly written it on the heavens as any one may see who reads the names of the stars on a common celestial globe."




http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/sciencehistory.htm

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What is Taught: Robert Boyle, in the 17th century, originated the science of chemistry.

What Should be Taught: A variety of Muslim chemists, including ar-Razi, al-Jabr, al-Biruni and al-Kindi, performed scientific experiments in chemistry some 700 years prior to Boyle. Durant writes that the Muslims introduced the experimental method to this science. Humboldt regards the Muslims as the founders of chemistry.

What is Taught: The scientific use of antiseptics in surgery was discovered by the British surgeon Joseph Lister in 1865.

What Should be Taught: As early as the 10th century, Muslim physicians and surgeons were applying purified alcohol to wounds as an antiseptic agent. Surgeons in Islamic Spain utilized special methods for maintaining antisepsis prior to and during surgery. They also originated specific protocols for maintaining hygiene during the post-operative period. Their success rate was so high that dignitaries throughout Europe came to Cordova, Spain, to be treated at what was comparably the "Mayo Clinic" of the Middle Ages.

What is Taught: Kerosine was first produced by the an Englishman, Abraham Gesner, in 1853. He distilled it from asphalt.

What Should be Taught: Muslim chemists produced kerosine as a distillate from petroleum products over 1,000 years prior to Gesner (see Encyclopaedia Britannica under the heading, Petroleum).




http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsit...95/science.html

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Muslims not only passed on Greek classical works but also introduced new scientific theories, without which the European Renaissance could not have occurred. Thus even though many of the Islamic contributions go unacknowledged, they played an integral role in the European transformation.




it's almost like... you are being sarcastic, and implying that "the world of Islam" has not contributed to humanity..  but that couldn't possibly be the case, for that would make you a complete fool.  :rolleyes:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: kotik]
    #6110931 - 09/28/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Heres a thought, why does it matter? Are you going to suggest genocide for all islamic people? Are you going to discredit an entire religion based on your emotions towards some religious zealots? What do you plan to do about these islamic fascists?
Is a religion required to contribute anything to society and where is that in the law books? Or is that on the list of legislation that is to be pushed through before the elections?

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6110979 - 09/28/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What are you talking about? If anything the Christians ground the armies of Islam to a halt during Islam's most aggressive years. The crusades only happened as a response to the initial Islamic invasions...




They both held each other in check, and thats precisely what should've happened. They both limited each other's unbridled expansion when it mattered most. An all christian/all muslim/world government planet would be very unfortunate. Its a good thing they tied their mutual expansions.

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Acceptable? Acceptable to who exactly? Not me, that's for sure, and if it is acceptable to you, I suggest you take every piece of technology you use, including the computer you just posted with, and throw it in the trash in protest.




Why?

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Wiping out cultural diversity, that's cute. I realize you're from Europe, so things will be different, but here in north America, cultural diveristy is the rule, not to be strayed from.




Go to a theatre, let them work at you to make you appear arabic, wear a bigass turban and kaftan and walk the streets of America. Then tell me about the great diversity in the US. I've seen a documentary on it. It ain't pretty.

I was talking about destruction of cultural diversity throughout the world. The whole world is westernized. Western goals have replaced most others.

That isn't good for diversity. Either you westernize or pay the price.

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Especially in my country, Canada, where we have non stop ad campaigns promoting cultural diversity.




Why does diversity need to be PROMOTED alpharedecho?
Because things aren't as cool in canada as you make them seem?

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I suggest you go to an Arab country, and preach cultural diversity. Or maybe try China, or Japan, or etc etc.




They haven't ruined the world. We have :evil:



Seriously, I dont think we ruined the world, but we sure had an overwhelming impact on the entire world, and a lot of it just isn't good. So why whine about Islam instead of looking at the messes we ourselves made?

In this forum an Islam-criticising thread is just too easy shootin' and the onlyu good it does is that some posters here share their knowledge about Islam, good or bad.
But the thread itself was too easy.
It's like a "bush sucks"-thread: just too easy shootin'


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
    #6111236 - 09/28/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't whine about Islam, people can practice what ever religion they want. What I have a problem with is when they riot in Christian countries and they are appeased.

Can you imagine Christians rioting in Saudi Arabia?

You know what might stop all these problems, if Arabs stayed in Arab countries, and Christians stayed in Christian countries. Sure there can be tourism, and trade, but don't take up permanent residence in a society which has values you do not agree with. Then we could play what ever damn cartoons we wanted, with out fear of backlash on our people abroad. Also, have all embassies armed, so they would be safe.

You are from the Netherlands, correct?

I have heard of great problems in your country due to the isolated Islamic population in your country. Rapes on white women by Arabic men because they don't wear those veils are becoming an epidemic. Well that is more in Sweden, but I am sure it happens in your country too. Remember that guy who was murdered for making the movie that all Muslims had to watch before they got into your country? Van Gogh might have been his name(no not the painter  :smirk:).

There are officials who have to walk around with armed body guards in your once peaceful and secure nation.

Do you really mean to tell me you would be in favor of more Arabs in your country. Will it still be Holland when there are more Arabs then Dutchmen?

Think about that, because if current population trends hold, it is only a matter of time before your country has an Arab majority.

The same goes for many other European nations, and if Turkey is let into the EU, like it most probably will, this trend will speed up.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6111308 - 09/28/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Rapes on white women by Arabic men because they don't wear those veils are becoming an epidemic.




Source?

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Remember that guy who was murdered for making the movie that all Muslims had to watch before they got into your country? Van Gogh might have been his name(no not the painter ).




Theo van Gogh. And no, no one was forced to watch his movie. It was an independent film about women in Islam that was specifically transgressive in intent, with the depiction of a naked woman tattooed in Qur'anic verses in the opening scene. In this case, Muslims didn't riot. One of them simply stalked and murdered the film's producer, and failed to commit suicide by cop.

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Do you really mean to tell me you would be in favor of more Arabs in your country. Will it still be Holland when there are more Arabs then Dutchmen?

Think about that, because if current population trends hold, it is only a matter of time before your country has an Arab majority.

The same goes for many other European nations, and if Turkey is let into the EU, like it most probably will, this trend will speed up.




Last I checked, Holland had a human majority.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6111365 - 09/28/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

HAHAHA, human majority?

WILL IT STILL BE HOLLAND WHEN THERE IS AN ARAB MAJORITY?

Simple questions.

After a quick search on "islamic rape epidemic in europe"

I found:

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/000944.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1372959/posts

http://www.topix.net/forum/world/denmark/T6J8G597TF2O3JTGD/p3

http://www.falange.us/sweden101605.htm



http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=14907_Scandinavian_Rape_Epidemic

"The number of rape charges per capita in Malmo is 5 — 6 times that of Copenhagen, Denmark. Copenhagen is a larger city, but the percentage of immigrants is much lower. And it’s not just the rape statistics that reveal a scary increase in Malmo or Sweden. Virtually every kind of violent crime is on the rise. Robberies have increased with 50 % in Malmo only during the fall of 2004. Threats against witnesses in Swedish court cases have quadrupled between 2000 and 2003. During the past few decades, massive immigration has changed the face of Sweden’s major cities, as well as challenged the viability of the welfare state. In 1970 Sweden had the fourth highest GDP per capita among developed countries with income about 6% above the OECD average. By 1997 it was at fifteenth place with an average GDP per capita 14% below average. Malmo has a heavy concentration of Muslim immigrants in particular. According to some estimates, it will be a Muslim majority city in no more then 10 years."


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6111378 - 09/28/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You won't find mainstream media covering these sorts of things, I am not sure why, but there is something fishy about it. They probably know parties like the BNP would take off if this stuff was reported. So the people in power pay the media not to report it?? I don't know, I am just guessing.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6111415 - 09/28/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Holland a Muslim majority in 10 years? Hahaha. Sorry, I just don't buy it. That's as retarded as the notion that all hell will break loose if Turkey makes the EU.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6111428 - 09/28/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You obviously didn't read it. That is for a city in Sweden.

Are you going to answer my question though, because if demographic trends stay steady(and all signs seem to give the Idea that they will infact speed up) Will Holland or any other European nation, still be that nation when it is a Muslim Majority?

All hell WON'T break loose when Turkey gets in, it will just speed up the invasion.

Why can people not grasp the fact that the world is at war. It is not a war of guns or bombs, but of numbers. The old tactic of breeding out the enemy is being used very successfully. While us materialist westerners refuse to have kids, because they will cut into our wealth. This is a war that will be won or lost in the bedroom.

It is only a matter of time people, to think anything else is foolish and downright delusional.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6111441 - 09/28/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What I have a problem with is when they riot in Christian countries and they are appeased.




Those aren't christian countries!

There is only one Christian country and thats the Vatican. Stop thinking in Islam/Christian dualities. Its just not that simple.

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Can you imagine Christians rioting in Saudi Arabia?




Should we be the same as Saudi Arabia?
I think not.

Allowing protests is one of the defining characteristics of true democracy. It would be a deeply tragic day for America if they outlawed Muslims to protest South Park. I think that day may be in the post, but stifling minorities isn't how its done in democracy.

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You are from the Netherlands, correct?




Reken maar van yes :yesnod:

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Rapes on white women by Arabic men because they don't wear those veils are becoming an epidemic. Well that is more in Sweden, but I am sure it happens in your country too.




I know Canada! People with large sombreros eating chili and tacos..
Well thats Mexico but close enough :rolleyes:

You can't compare Sweden and Holland. They are less similar than the USA and Canada, and communicate as much as Canada and Bolivia.

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Remember that guy who was murdered for making the movie that all Muslims had to watch before they got into your country? Van Gogh might have been his name(no not the painter ).




I do remember him, do you?

Theo van Gogh was a total swine. He wasn't a political figure, but basically a rightwing extremist comedian. Almost everything he said about Islam was a childlike and pathetic attempt to insult people as much as possible. He literally challenged the muslims to kill him. Literally. Then a sociopath (who happened to be a muslim) decided to take him up on that and vent his psychopathic need to hurt and kill.

It simply was violent crime, muslim extremism had virtually nothing to do with it, just one sick bastard taking it out on another sick bastard and the media blew it all out of proportion to throw oil on the flames of the post 911 mentality.

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There are officials who have to walk around with armed body guards in your once peaceful and secure nation.




Nobody who doesnt use populist tactics to hit minorioty groups below the belt has to be guarded. And nobody in Dutch politics has been attacked by muslim extremists. The whole bodyguard stuff is because a rightwing extremist politician was assassinated by a white vegan for entirely unrelated issues. Nothing Islam there too.
It is all done with smoke and mirrors.

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Do you really mean to tell me you would be in favor of more Arabs in your country.




I feel my country should more accurately represent the population groups of the world. Currently this is out of balance, half of all immigrants are from two Arab countries.

We do need an influx of immigrants for our country to be healthy, but this needs to diversify greatly.

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Will it still be Holland when there are more Arabs then Dutchmen?




We dutchmen are adept at fucking at perilous moments in our history :wink:
We breed like rabbits if it need be so that won't happen. Still I have no problem to let true diversity take over my country. I wouldn't want Islam or Christianity take over, but that just wont happen.

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Think about that, because if current population trends hold, it is only a matter of time before your country has an Arab majority.




Get your facts straight :wink: There's 16 million Dutch and there are about 1 million muslims of any nationality. The overwhelming majority of these muslims are reasonable people and as strict in their faith as most christians :wink:

The last interaction I had with a muslim resulted in me getting 5 grams of primo afghan hasheesh, perhaps I'm biased :wink: Muslims might seem scary with the media hype and all, but they can be quite good people.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
    #6111479 - 09/28/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I am not saying they are bad people, but there is a undeniable clash in cultures. Keep in mind, you were a paying customer to that man, why would he be anything but pleasant?

You do not get it, because there are 16 million dutch and 1 million Arab today, does not secure your future.

Please tell me if you agree or disagree with this statement:
If current trends hold, Holland will eventually become a Muslim majority.

What kind of country do you want your great grand children to live in? One where they are the minority?

I don't understand peoples thinking. Take a baron country, and fill it with Dutchmen, what does it become? Take that same country and fill it with Muslims, what does it become? Geography is almost irrelevant.

"We Dutchmen are adept at fucking at perilous moments in our history :wink:
We breed like rabbits if it need be so that won't happen. Still I have no problem to let true diversity take over my country. I wouldn't want Islam or Christianity take over, but that just wont happen."

That's how all western societies were . When there was a war, you breed, etc. Materialism has a stranglehold on the west, and our greed will prevent us from breeding in the numbers of our Muslim friends. Even in my country, wealthy Muslims have MANY children, while wealthy westerners adopt children from 3rd world countries. Do you see my point?

There is a battle being waged, but it is one of numbers, one we are losing.

You are foolish to think that Holland will always have a dutch majority, at the current rates.

Tell me, how many Arabs were there in your country just 20 years ago? I would be willing to guess under 50,000. Now, you say there are 1 million. That is scary, because I doubt Amsterdam will be the great city it is today, when my great grand children go to visit.  :crazy:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6111846 - 09/28/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:What kind of country do you want your great grand children to live in? One where they are the minority?




your limited insight is somewhat amusing.. has it crossed your mind that many people already have grandchildren that are in the minority, and they have been in the minority themselves.


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    #6111873 - 09/28/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah it has. Maybe they can move to where they will be a majority?

Also, that is not my concern, my main concern is my (great * X) grand children. The fact is, my (great * X) grand children are going to be the minority with NO place to go to be a majority, unless something is done now. I will not concern myself with the problems of strangers and people who have no concern for me, until MY problems are sorted out. Yeah, I'm selfish, get over it.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6111969 - 09/28/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Keep in mind, you were a paying customer to that man, why would he be anything but pleasant?




You don't understand: he gave me those 5 grams for free :sun:

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If current trends hold, Holland will eventually become a Muslim majority.




"current trends" aren't holding anymore for a while now. I think a muslim majority in Holland is unlikely, too many things are happening. Even if it did: these are good people, and many are here because they do not want to live in a theocracy.

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What kind of country do you want your great grand children to live in? One where they are the minority?




The bloodline stops right here. I do not intend to procreate. Even if I did, I wanted my grandchildren to live in a succesful multicultural society. they would not be a minority, and even if they were: in a better society being a minority is no problem.
The times are a-changin'

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Take a baron country, and fill it with Dutchmen, what does it become?




That depends on the baron  :wink:

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There is a battle being waged, but it is one of numbers, one we are losing.




I welcome diversity, I don't see this as a losing battle. My brother's soon to be wife is Chinese, and their children will be european-asian, raised according to values of both cultures.
What's wrong with that?

Is the white race losing? Is old finger-in-the-dike holland losing?
Nope. Welcome in the 21st century.

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You are foolish to think that Holland will always have a dutch majority, at the current rates.




If the diversity reflects the world population, I have no problems with becoming a minority in my own country. Nobody ever promised me things wouldn't change, life's about taking the present into a better future, rather than living in the past.

I might even leave the country and go live someplace else. Holland will always be home for me, and being a minority doesnt diminish that.

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Tell me, how many Arabs were there in your country just 20 years ago? I would be willing to guess under 50,000.




Several 100.000 at least. And it depends what you call Arabs. Most people from the arabic world are from Morocco and Turkey. These are very different cultures.

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That is scary, because I doubt Amsterdam will be the great city it is today, when my great grand children go to visit.




There is no telling. The "arabs" in Holland contribute greatly to our cannabis culture. Africans brought us Khat, which you now can buy on the streets in some neighborhoods. Santo Daime and the Uniao Do Vegetal from Brazil brought us their religious right to use Ayahuasca for spiritual purposes.

Sure, its a bumpy road, but its a very worthwhile journey.

As I see it humanity must become one (in all diversity) on short term, and then colonize our solar system, then the planets orbiting the stars around us. Nostalgia cannot get in the way of the prime motivation of the life force, which is to spread as far and wide as possible. Forget tulips at the Keukenhof and let's focus on tulips on mars. :thumbup:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6111980 - 09/28/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Alpharedecho: this is about doing away with ALL racial majorities. Its about humanity itself taking over. The majority will be minorities and we can finally take racism to the grave.


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    #6112098 - 09/28/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ALL racial majorities? You really believe that?

It is only white that are losing their majorities. You will not see the Chinease becoming a minority in their country.

I know times are changing, but I am afraid for the day with European cultures are only found in history books. I guess I'm the only one.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6112146 - 09/28/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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This is a war that will be won or lost in the bedroom.





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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6112153 - 09/28/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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ALL racial majorities? You really believe that?

It is only white that are losing their majorities. You will not see the Chinease becoming a minority in their country.

I know times are changing, but I am afraid for the day with European cultures are only found in history books. I guess I'm the only one.




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    #6112162 - 09/28/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

lots of good stuff, just nothing recently.


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    #6112190 - 09/28/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What I have a problem with is when they riot in Christian countries and they are appeased.




Those aren't christian countries!

There is only one Christian country and thats the Vatican. Stop thinking in Islam/Christian dualities. Its just not that simple.


This is disingenuous.  Christian country....majority of population christian.  Muslim country.... majority of population muslim.  Get it?  Everybody else does.


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Can you imagine Christians rioting in Saudi Arabia?




Should we be the same as Saudi Arabia?
I think not.


You are correct, we should not.  They should be the same as us, tolerant.  Another failure to recognize a difference everybody else can perceive.


Allowing protests is one of the defining characteristics of true democracy. It would be a deeply tragic day for America if they outlawed Muslims to protest South Park. I think that day may be in the post, but stifling minorities isn't how its done in democracy.


And here you manage to define the difference between us and the thugs from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, and on and on and on, that you can't seem to discern.  Muslim countries, which you can't seem to be able to define (though the stifling of dissent is by no means a muslim invention it is a characteristic of all muslim nations, with the possible exception of Afghanistan).  And here you seem to be having a true disconnect.  Comedy Central pulled the South Park shit because they were intimidated by the threat of muslim violence.  Yet the muslims were free to whine without any threat to their safety.  Hmmmm, what's wrong with your viewpoint?  Every fucking thing.


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You are from the Netherlands, correct?




Reken maar van yes :yesnod:

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Rapes on white women by Arabic men because they don't wear those veils are becoming an epidemic. Well that is more in Sweden, but I am sure it happens in your country too.




I know Canada! People with large sombreros eating chili and tacos..
Well thats Mexico but close enough :rolleyes:

You can't compare Sweden and Holland. They are less similar than the USA and Canada, and communicate as much as Canada and Bolivia.


Are the muslims better behaved in Denmark?  Or Holland?  I doubt it.  It probably depends on the level of surrender you have made.  The more cowardly the less physically attacked.  Acquiescence to their perverted demands affords you a certain level of physical safety from these thugs.  But extortion is a crime too.  "We won't burn down your store if you do this...."  Classic mobster.  And a small death itself.


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Remember that guy who was murdered for making the movie that all Muslims had to watch before they got into your country? Van Gogh might have been his name(no not the painter ).




I do remember him, do you?

Theo van Gogh was a total swine. He wasn't a political figure, but basically a rightwing extremist comedian. Almost everything he said about Islam was a childlike and pathetic attempt to insult people as much as possible. He literally challenged the muslims to kill him. Literally. Then a sociopath (who happened to be a muslim) decided to take him up on that and vent his psychopathic need to hurt and kill.

It simply was violent crime, muslim extremism had virtually nothing to do with it, just one sick bastard taking it out on another sick bastard and the media blew it all out of proportion to throw oil on the flames of the post 911 mentality.


Relentless bullshit.  It was not blown out of proportion.  Ask Salman Rushdie.  Ask Hirsi Ali, who wrote the fucking movie.  Are you deliberately lieing, or do you not know?  It was most certainly not one whackjob, he was just first.  There are millions upon millions of murderous muslim whackjobs willing to kill over some perceived slight against their child molesting, violence inciting prophet, piss be upon him.  I don't know of anyone who tried to kill that guy who put a christ on the cross in a jar of piss as a work of art.  HE still walks the streets freely.  And did I say "Fuck muhammed"?  I didn't?  Well let me say "fuck muhammed and all of his camel fucking spawn".  There.  Any of his fucking dumb as shit followers can suck my ass, too.  Now then, tell me again why you think I should be murdered for that.  Your fucking notion that Theo deserved it because he dared to stick a figurative thumb in the eye of the biggest blight on the planet is just so disgusting it beggars words.  And, oh yeah, fuck muhhamed in the ass two times with a pork penis.  What's up with that pork shit anyway?  Too much like incest, I suppose.


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There are officials who have to walk around with armed body guards in your once peaceful and secure nation.




Nobody who doesnt use populist tactics to hit minorioty groups below the belt has to be guarded. And nobody in Dutch politics has been attacked by muslim extremists. The whole bodyguard stuff is because a rightwing extremist politician was assassinated by a white vegan for entirely unrelated issues. Nothing Islam there too.
It is all done with smoke and mirrors.


Hirsi Ali?  Member of parliament run out of the country and in constant fear for her life for criticizing islam's treatment of women, among other horrors.  Do you know what assault means in the phrase "assault and battery"?  It is the threat, not the beating.  And did I say "fuck any minority group that can't deal with my speech".  Because, really, they can go fuck themselves and I'll make sure to keep saying that because their intolerance is unacceptable.  You have the right to counter my insulting speech with insulting speech.  Not threats, not violence.  Just more insults.  Or just reasoned rational dialogue about why my position is assinine.


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Do you really mean to tell me you would be in favor of more Arabs in your country.




I feel my country should more accurately represent the population groups of the world. Currently this is out of balance, half of all immigrants are from two Arab countries.

We do need an influx of immigrants for our country to be healthy, but this needs to diversify greatly.


I cannot see any reason whatsoever to conclude that either diversity or a lack thereof is either healthy or unhealthy.  However, the addition of intolerant murdering assholes is always unhealthy.


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Will it still be Holland when there are more Arabs then Dutchmen?




We dutchmen are adept at fucking at perilous moments in our history :wink:
We breed like rabbits if it need be so that won't happen. Still I have no problem to let true diversity take over my country. I wouldn't want Islam or Christianity take over, but that just wont happen.

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Think about that, because if current population trends hold, it is only a matter of time before your country has an Arab majority.




Get your facts straight :wink: There's 16 million Dutch and there are about 1 million muslims of any nationality. The overwhelming majority of these muslims are reasonable people and as strict in their faith as most christians :wink:


Overwhelming?  I doubt this given their avowed general position that muhhamed can withstand no blasphemer.  That is not reasonable in my book but then I haven't surrendered my rights to say "fuck muhammed" yet.


The last interaction I had with a muslim resulted in me getting 5 grams of primo afghan hasheesh, perhaps I'm biased :wink: Muslims might seem scary with the media hype and all, but they can be quite good people.


Figures.  "My dope dealer's a camel fucking monkey so camel fucking monkeys must be good"


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6112215 - 09/28/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I'm racist because I fear the day when there is nothing left of my ancestors. I'm horrible!


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6112228 - 09/28/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You're a racist because you consider people combatants in a non-existent war simply because of their ethnicity.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6112237 - 09/28/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you Zappa, you put to him what I couldn't word.

I will never, for the life of me, figure out why diverse = good, homogeneous = bad.

Have you people ever sat down and wondered.....go preach diversity in Japan, a place that is 99% homogeneous. Their society is one of the best in the world, with a crime rate that is exemplary.

You know what, I think Japan need 1/6 of is population to be Chinese, 1/6 to become Indian, etc etc so it reflects the worlds population.  :rolleyes: Really Wiccan, I expected better from you.


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    #6112245 - 09/28/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You're a racist because you consider people combatants in a non-existent war simply because of their ethnicity.




It's not literal, I do not think people are actually combatants. They are breeding my people(whites) out of existence. Whether it is intentional or not, is IRRELEVANT TO ME!


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6112250 - 09/28/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I will not concern myself with the problems of strangers and people who have no concern for me, until MY problems are sorted out. Yeah, I'm selfish, get over it.




i now pose the question: what has this sort of mentality contributed to the rest of humanity?


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: kotik]
    #6112258 - 09/28/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

About the same as Islam.

You think it is Islams policy to look out for the interest of non-Muslims?

Everyone looks out for their own, except for white people apparently, who can't wait to hand over their homelands.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6112265 - 09/28/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You're a racist because you consider people combatants in a non-existent war simply because of their ethnicity.




It's not literal, I do not think people are actually combatants. They are breeding my people(whites) out of existence. Whether it is intentional or not, is IRRELEVANT TO ME!




One humanity. One love. You just don't get it, nazi boy.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6112273 - 09/28/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's a nice thought, but it is not reality, and never will be. I get it, 99% of the world doesn't.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6112281 - 09/28/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm afraid your subjective world view = your subjective world view.


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    #6112289 - 09/28/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Basilides said:
You're a racist because you consider people combatants in a non-existent war simply because of their ethnicity.




It's not literal, I do not think people are actually combatants. They are breeding my people(whites) out of existence. Whether it is intentional or not, is IRRELEVANT TO ME!




One humanity. One love. You just don't get it, nazi boy.




How can I be a Nazi when I have friends(some of them life long bests friends) who are: Vietnamese, Black, East-Indian. Doesn't seem to mesh well with being a Nazi.

I love my friends, but would never want their people to be the majority in my homeland. Just like I would never want my people to be a majority in their homeland.

For such a tolerant person, you are pretty damn intollerant to MY OPINION!


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6112295 - 09/28/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Basilides said:
I'm afraid your subjective world view = your subjective world view.




Is that so?

So I guess the rest of the world is getting along in the whole one humanity, one love way.

WTF news have I been watching?!?!?!  :confused:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6112298 - 09/28/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

are you new here, or did i miss where PAL got to the point where that style of "debate" is taken as normal and acceptable here?

nazi boy?


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
    #6112305 - 09/28/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Soap,Artillery, and Algebra. Anything that has to do with cleaning, islam is a cleanfreak religion.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6112326 - 09/28/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A human being is a human being. Who gives a fuck where they came from, what they look like or who their ancestors were. It's a retarded non-value given imagined value. If you honestly believe white people are going to somehow disappear, you need a ward team in Vienna to check that head of yours.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6112330 - 09/28/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Mosques without ablution fountains = heresy


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    #6112347 - 09/28/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
Soap,Artillery, and Algebra. Anything that has to do with cleaning, islam is a cleanfreak religion.




Or Christians were just really filthy, which in fact they were. Reports by Arab travellers who went to Europe were often disgusted by the bathing practices of Europeans, who at most might take a bowl of water, wash their hands, rinse their mouths, blow their snot from their noses into it and then pass it on to the next person. And those were the Europeans who actually bothered to clean themselves!


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Ravus]
    #6112356 - 09/28/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I bet Muslims disposed their poop in state of the art ways during the Golden Age. They did everything 110% back then


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6112372 - 09/28/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Alpharedecho said:
I get it, 99% of the world doesn't.




Sounds like a sig, Alpha :lol:


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This is disingenuous. Christian country....majority of population christian. Muslim country.... majority of population muslim. Get it? Everybody else does.




I keep forgetting. Where I live the majority is atheist. Christianity is a minority just like Islam.

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You are correct, we should not. They should be the same as us, tolerant. Another failure to recognize a difference everybody else can perceive.




My point was that we should not prohibit protest because SA does, don't misunderstand.

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And here you manage to define the difference between us and the thugs from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, and on and on and on, that you can't seem to discern. Muslim countries, which you can't seem to be able to define (though the stifling of dissent is by no means a muslim invention it is a characteristic of all muslim nations, with the possible exception of Afghanistan).




I know perfectly well democracy is lacking in SA. Another misunderstanding.

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Hmmmm, what's wrong with your viewpoint? Every fucking thing.




What's wrong with your viewpoint, is that the world isn't right.
Comedy Central self censored. Thats a shame.
They did this for what might well be a good reason, Thats a huge shame.

Given the world as it is, why needlessly press on the Mohammed insults? I think self-censorship was a realistic action in a less then perfect world. The consequences would not be funny, so CC withdrew it.

*skips the anti muslim rant*

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Hirsi Ali? Member of parliament run out of the country




She was ran out of the country by Immigration because she lied about her heritage to gain access to our country. A lot of the thread ms Ali was protected against was perceived.

There was no attack.

Ms Ali also wasn't a member of parliament when she made that movie. She banded up with that pig van gogh because of shared anti-islamic sentiments. She in many cases obstructed progress between the population groups by polarizing everything.

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You have the right to counter my insulting speech with insulting speech. Not threats, not violence. Just more insults.




The problem is that certain people don't play by the rules, and for them Islam is just another excuse, like Christian fundamentalists bear little resemblance to the teachings of Jesus.
The problem is the fucked up people among us.

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However, the addition of intolerant murdering assholes is always unhealthy.




We agree :smile2:
Every effort must be made to find these people and deal with them, no matter what excuse they hide behind. But murdering assholes are rare, both here and there. If there was a civil war in the USA today, then the killing would be on a far larger scale than in Iraq.

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Overwhelming? I doubt this given their avowed general position that muhhamed can withstand no blasphemer. That is not reasonable in my book but then I haven't surrendered my rights to say "fuck muhammed" yet.




The bible too is full of unreasonable demands and rulings. That doesnt make christians bad people. The majority of muslims is slightly religious. A large group is religious, but peaceful. Its only a small group of people who orders and does the killing.

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Figures. "My dope dealer's a camel fucking monkey so camel fucking monkeys must be good"




Zappa, much of your post disappoints me. Don't get so worked up!


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    #6112398 - 09/28/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Zappa always gets worked up thats his style, hes got a lotta of passion.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
    #6112505 - 09/28/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Quote:

Alpharedecho said:
I get it, 99% of the world doesn't.




Sounds like a sig, Alpha :lol:


Quote:

This is disingenuous. Christian country....majority of population christian. Muslim country.... majority of population muslim. Get it? Everybody else does.




I keep forgetting. Where I live the majority is atheist. Christianity is a minority just like Islam.

Your country was not specifically cited, was it?  Sounds like a cool place if that's true.  Unless they have surrendered to the "you must not offend doctrine".


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You are correct, we should not. They should be the same as us, tolerant. Another failure to recognize a difference everybody else can perceive.




My point was that we should not prohibit protest because SA does, don't misunderstand.

I didn't misunderstand, I merely redirected you to what I think they should be.  Do you disagree?


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And here you manage to define the difference between us and the thugs from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, and on and on and on, that you can't seem to discern. Muslim countries, which you can't seem to be able to define (though the stifling of dissent is by no means a muslim invention it is a characteristic of all muslim nations, with the possible exception of Afghanistan).




I know perfectly well democracy is lacking in SA. Another misunderstanding.

And yet you previously deny being able to discern the difference between a christian nation and a muslim one.  And that any comparison between the two necessarily leads to an assertion that we shouldn't be like them as opposed to making a point that they should be like us.  That is the point I believe he was making, not that we should suck as much as them.


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Hmmmm, what's wrong with your viewpoint? Every fucking thing.




What's wrong with your viewpoint, is that the world isn't right.
Comedy Central self censored. Thats a shame.
They did this for what might well be a good reason, Thats a huge shame.

And there is no way that "huge shame" should be tolerated.  What is needed is a Spartacus moment when we all stand up and say "I am Spartacus" so that the murdering scum won't know where to strike.  And if you don't, you are a coward.  That is why I made all those quotes about "camel humping muhammed"  I don't give a fucking rat's ass about their religion your religion or anybody else's religion.  But I sure do give a shit about my right to say "your religion is stoopit"  without fear of reprisal in anything other than a verbal or written fashion.  In fact, their willingness to resort to violence, threats and intimidation demands that I say "YOUR RELIGION IS STOOPIT".  Loudly and repeatedly.  Did I mention that muhammamed was a camel fucking pedophilic homo?  I may have missed that one.


Given the world as it is, why needlessly press on the Mohammed insults? I think self-censorship was a realistic action in a less then perfect world. The consequences would not be funny, so CC withdrew it.

*skips the anti muslim rant*

It is exactly the point.  Self censorship due to any reason other than violent intimidation is fine.  Economic intimidation is totally cool.  Violence?  No.


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Hirsi Ali? Member of parliament run out of the country




She was ran out of the country by Immigration because she lied about her heritage to gain access to our country. A lot of the thread ms Ali was protected against was perceived.

Bullshit.  That was totally forgiven.  And the notion that the threat was perceived (what the fuck?) is just stupid.  Her director was murdered and she received numerous death threats for a movie that was her creation more than Theo's


There was no attack.

Ms Ali also wasn't a member of parliament when she made that movie. She banded up with that pig van gogh because of shared anti-islamic sentiments. She in many cases obstructed progress between the population groups by polarizing everything.

She polarized the groups because she said what was, plain and simple, about a group she was a member of.  Whether she was a MOP at the time is utterly irrelevant to any point I made.  If these neanderthal troglodytes cannot brook criticism without rising to a murderous rage they do not deserve membership in the oxygen utilizing group of organisms.  My point is that even if I wrongfully say that muhammed is a goathumping pig fellating son of a whore, I still should not be subject to any physical retaliation.  And that is fucking what, in spite of anyone's notion of treehugging why can't we all get along bullshit, is the sine qua non of civilization.  Not the notion that everybody needs to be nice to everybody else, but that everyone needs to keep their fucking hands to themselves no matter what somebody mean says.  Oh, and muhammed can suck my balls.  Wanna kill me?


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You have the right to counter my insulting speech with insulting speech. Not threats, not violence. Just more insults.




The problem is that certain people don't play by the rules, and for them Islam is just another excuse, like Christian fundamentalists bear little resemblance to the teachings of Jesus.
The problem is the fucked up people among us.

Jesus is a fucking horror show too


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However, the addition of intolerant murdering assholes is always unhealthy.




We agree :smile2:
Every effort must be made to find these people and deal with them, no matter what excuse they hide behind. But murdering assholes are rare, both here and there. If there was a civil war in the USA today, then the killing would be on a far larger scale than in Iraq.

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Overwhelming? I doubt this given their avowed general position that muhhamed can withstand no blasphemer. That is not reasonable in my book but then I haven't surrendered my rights to say "fuck muhammed" yet.




The bible too is full of unreasonable demands and rulings. That doesnt make christians bad people. The majority of muslims is slightly religious. A large group is religious, but peaceful. Its only a small group of people who orders and does the killing.

As a percentage, it may be small (1-10%, whatever) The absolute numbers, however, are huge.  I know there are sucky people who are christians.  And buddhists and atheists and hindus.  But to not be able to see the current situation is just pollyannaish foolery.
 

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Figures. "My dope dealer's a camel fucking monkey so camel fucking monkeys must be good"




Zappa, much of your post disappoints me. Don't get so worked up!




In closing, I'd like to say that muhammed, Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Odin, Ra, Bonerhead, Whatever your particular sacred cow is can lick my nuts in Macy's window.  Word to WS, guess which will be the only group that a significant portion of it's benighted membership would find me worthy of elimination.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6112509 - 09/28/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
Zappa always gets worked up thats his style, hes got a lotta of passion.




Not to mention an absolutely brilliant grasp of the issues.

Not for nothing, but if I don't post for a while this place gets awful wimpy. Your thanks are appreciated.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6112515 - 09/28/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The Bonerheadeans? :smirk:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6112549 - 09/28/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

OTD


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6112560 - 09/28/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Beyond the enjoyment I get out of venting, I really want to make somebody spew all over their monitor someday.  I hope you did. :cool:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6113317 - 09/28/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm racist because I fear the day when there is nothing left of my ancestors. I'm horrible!

All my ancestors are dead. :shrug:

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
    #6113408 - 09/28/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hookahs


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6114965 - 09/29/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
I'm racist because I fear the day when there is nothing left of my ancestors. I'm horrible!

All my ancestors are dead. :shrug:




Their blood line and accomplishments however, are not.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115067 - 09/29/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't see why you should be proud of your culture's accomplishments, b/c you didn't do anything to contribute to them. Having pride in one's race is idiotic, regardless of whether it's some stupid thug on BET or some dirty redneck in the Rust Belt.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6115137 - 09/29/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't have pride in the white race per se, but I am thankful for their fight in the past, and their accomplishments, otherwise I wouldn't be here.

I wish to continue that fight for survival, so many generations from now, my decedents will have a chance to live, and be thankful to me. Maybe that sounds kind of selfish, but I want my bloodline to continue as long as possible, and the thought of it dying out some day truly worries me.

When white people make up 5% of the world population(I think we are at 12% now), I wonder if my bloodline will still be going.

You people may not care if your bloodline thrives or not, but I do, you can call that stupid, or put it down, but it is something I believe in.

If my ancestors had of just given up, against the odds(so many times in history, with WW2 being the latest) then I would not be here. I show my thanks by vowing to not let their hard work and struggle go to waste.

Are you people understanding where I am coming from yet?


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115148 - 09/29/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No, I really don't. The only bloodline that I care goes on is my direct ancestry. I couldn't care less about anyone else's genetics being passed on, regardless of what race they are.

Also, worrying about the watering down of one's bloodline is absurd anyways b/c unless you're having sex and procreating with your sister or mother, your bloodline's genetics are going to be degraded. This is going to happen no matter which race you are breeding with.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6115181 - 09/29/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You still are not getting it. I would not mind if my decedents married people of any race, that is fine by me. What I get worried about is the day when this planet has a white(and part white) minority so small, that we simply get wiped out in some war. I basically want to keep our numbers up, in the grand scheme of things.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115194 - 09/29/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I guess I am just a selfish bigot, simply because I don't want my race to die out.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115270 - 09/29/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:whatever:

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115274 - 09/29/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Why would there be a war which has the purpose of wiping out "white people". That is one of the silliest things I have ever heard.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6115293 - 09/29/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

OMG

Yeah, that's what I said.......Fuck this, you people are going to think what you want you want. There is nothing I can say that will ever shed some light into my opinion.

Twisting what I say only further solidifies my opinion.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6115296 - 09/29/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
:whatever:




:pirate:


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6115297 - 09/29/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
Why would there be a war which has the purpose of wiping out "white people". That is one of the silliest things I have ever heard.




Me too, where would you get such a crazy Idea?

Not that I believe it would ever happen, but it's almost as silly an idea as a war to wipe out all the Jews from the Earth....oh wait...


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115301 - 09/29/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

oops, double post


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115447 - 09/29/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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OMG

Yeah, that's what I said.......Fuck this, you people are going to think what you want you want. There is nothing I can say that will ever shed some light into my opinion.

Twisting what I say only further solidifies my opinion.




my response is: who cares? why would I care about your and your bloodline, when I'm worrying about MY bloodline. See how this type of mentality produces more of the same? At one point, everyone on earth will be demanding their bloodline survives.. and then what?

How about instead of worrying about how many people have your DNA, you worry about spreading your ideas and plans, which don't need to be limited by blood type. Just because we can't understand your logic, does not mean we don't understand your opinion. I understand you worry about having a direct lineage for generations to come. What I don't understand is why.

Anyways, if you really cared about it that much, you would be out propagating and not rambling on the internet about it.


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    #6115463 - 09/29/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Can't I do both?

I don't know why I care so much either, it is puzzling to even myself. It probably comes from a fear of death, and the comfort it brings to know there will be people like myself (genetically) for years to come.

You don't have to care about my bloodline, I just don't want to catch shit for caring about mine.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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    #6115484 - 09/29/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty of white people afraid of death, and wanting to expand their bloodlines as well. You may even want to consider Mormonism.


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    #6115492 - 09/29/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm busy that day.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115534 - 09/29/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I guess I am just a selfish bigot, simply because I don't want my race to die out.



I just don't understand your allegiance to a skin color.

Aren't other things more important? What does it matter if everyone with pale skin dies, so long as the achievements, ideas, and stories live on?

Personally, when I think about my "race" I think about the human race, not the white people of the world. To me it is far more important that liberty, literature, and mathematics (not that white-people invented these) live on than it is that people with white-skin live on.

I feel like I have much more in common with someone who like to read Robert Heinlein, studies economics, or even just reads the Shroomery, than I do with most people who share my skin color. If I had to choose between guaranteeing the perpetuation of my skin color, and the perpetuation of my favorite ideas, the ideas will win every single time.

We only have some much time and so many resources to devote towards what we think are important in this life. It's important to choose carefully.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Economist]
    #6115577 - 09/29/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Of course other things are more important than skin colour, and not once did I say otherwise. That doesn't mean I want the people who share my skin colour to be erased from the planet.

"What does it matter if everyone with pale skin dies, so long as the achievements, ideas, and stories live on?"

I think it is a slap in the face to the ones who made the sacrifices and achievements, if their kind was to die out. That is just me though.

I am willing to wager that it is only white people who care whether or not their race lives on. Ask a Black, Chinese, Arab, Hispanic person the same question, and see the answer you get. Of course there will be exceptions, but I am saying in terms of ratios, whites would take the cake on this one. Maybe it is because we feel guilty for our colonial past, I don't know.

I just hope we around for as long as the other races, diversity is a good thing.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115818 - 09/29/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it is a slap in the face to the ones who made the sacrifices and achievements, if their kind was to die out. That is just me though.





no, thats not just you. but don't be suprised when someone invokes the word Nazi, because they happen to be on the same mentality, and remain strong advocated of it.

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I am willing to wager that it is only white people who care whether or not their race lives on. Ask a Black, Chinese, Arab, Hispanic person the same question, and see the answer you get. Of course there will be exceptions, but I am saying in terms of ratios, whites would take the cake on this one. Maybe it is because we feel guilty for our colonial past, I don't know.




now you are talking right out of your ass. ever heard of 5%ers? Nation of the Gods and Earths? Rasa? Nope.. because you speak of which you don't know.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: kotik]
    #6115941 - 09/29/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

alpharedecho said:
I think it is a slap in the face to the ones who made the sacrifices and achievements, if their kind was to die out. That is just me though.





no, thats not just you. but don't be suprised when someone invokes the word Nazi, because they happen to be on the same mentality, and remain strong advocated of it.

I agree with you here, when brainless people get confronted with things the TV has told them is wrong, they tend to result to ad hominem attacks such as Nazi. It is an emotional response, not one of logic. I do not believe in the ideals or methods of the national socialist party, past, or present.

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I am willing to wager that it is only white people who care whether or not their race lives on. Ask a Black, Chinese, Arab, Hispanic person the same question, and see the answer you get. Of course there will be exceptions, but I am saying in terms of ratios, whites would take the cake on this one. Maybe it is because we feel guilty for our colonial past, I don't know.




now you are talking right out of your ass. ever heard of 5%ers? Nation of the Gods and Earths? Rasa? Nope.. because you speak of which you don't know.




You have proven nothing with this statement. I state again, ask the average non-white person if they care whether or not their race dies out, I am willing to wager they will.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115948 - 09/29/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think you would get the same response out of any race. Why would anyone want their race to die out?

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    #6115962 - 09/29/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What does it matter if everyone with pale skin dies, so long as the achievements, ideas, and stories live on?






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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115967 - 09/29/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sure he would still prefer that his race didn't die out. I can't see anyone actually preferring that their race die out.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6115972 - 09/29/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't say anyone would prefer it.

I am proposing that some whites, like our friend economist, don't care either way.

I am also proposing that almost all non-whites would care a great deal.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6115982 - 09/29/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm, I'm not quite so sure about that. I think it would be about the same, but then again my assertations carry no more merit than yours.

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    #6116018 - 09/29/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Fair enough, but I have a white person right here, admitting he doesn't care either way. Find me just one non-white who believes the same about their race, or better yet, find me 8, since there are 8 times more non-whites than whites on this planet.

It was not my intention to get into any of this though. All I am saying, is that unless something is done, current trends dictate that the white race will disappear from the face of the earth. Massive immigration and declining birth rates prove this, it is fact. Will it take a long time at this rate? Yes. Will it happen eventually at this rate? Yes.

The fact that many whites don't care about these facts just means this process will move along that much faster.

I am not proposing we exclusively merry with in our race. The solution would be either get the white birthrates up, or have places where we are segregated. Neither of these options seem feasible, so I think I have every reason to have my beliefs, that the white race will one day only be a memory.

This bothers me greatly.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6116085 - 09/29/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's really a secondary issue imo. More importantly to worry about than a race dying out, is the species dying out. How is the earth going to support 7 billion humans? 8 billion, 9, 10? There is something to worry about.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #6116100 - 09/29/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

True that, that is also a big fear of mine. Non-whites could stop breeding like rabbits, then we would kill 2 birds with 1 stone.  :wink:


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6116144 - 09/29/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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All I am saying, is that unless something is done, current trends dictate that the white race will disappear from the face of the earth. Massive immigration and declining birth rates prove this, it is fact. Will it take a long time at this rate? Yes. Will it happen eventually at this rate? Yes.



I think your real problem here is that you don't appreciate the fact that declining population growth is affecting everyone. You probably also aren't taking note of the fact that not all white populations are shrinking.

In reality, the race mostly likely to shrink in the coming year are the East Asians. Japan has long had the greatest decline in birth rate of any developed nation, and China has forced itself into a declining population via two decades of the "One child" policy accompanied with forced abortions.

I'd suggest reading The Empty Cradle by Phillip Longman for some good info on population decline. The short of it is: it's happening everywhere. Availability of antibiotics in the 1980s led to a massive population surge as infant mortality dropped off in the Arab world (which may or may not have a lot to do with today's world events), however, the bi-product is that current Arab birthrates are actually insufficient to replace the outgowing generation.

The same story is unfolding in India and Pakistan as well. Throughout the world, populations are on the verge of shrinking.

But, as stated above, while that's the macro-level story, on the micro-level, it's not always the case. Population economists who have tracked subgroups within races have found that many are, infact, growing. Of course, the groups that are growing aren't the ones that usually make us happy. Christian Fundamentalists in Ohio, for example, are expected to outstrip the rest of the population within the next several generations through birthrate alone.

Population decline is a huge concern to economists. There are very few models that show nations experiencing positive economic gain in the face of a shrinking population, and that's without benefit of crippling pension/social security systems. It's bad news across the board, and very few people know what to do about it.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Economist]
    #6116169 - 09/29/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I will look into that book, but I wonder, if this is the case, why is the world population expected to reach 9-10 billion by 2050?


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6116639 - 09/29/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think you're looking at an older projection.

The 2004 revised UN projection now isn't even sure the population will reach 9 billion by 2050, and the "most pecimistic" projections show a return to 6 billion by 2070.

It's also important to remember that the current generation isn't expected to start dying until around 2060, which is why the 2050 number (whatever it is) will probably be the peak.

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    #6116653 - 09/29/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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When white people make up 5% of the world population(I think we are at 12% now), I wonder if my bloodline will still be going.






Alpharedecho, I can dispel a HUGE error in your thinking here:


If your offspring procreates with say an African or Asian... It is still your bloodline! Unless you think only family should marry (which you don't) then any race will do, it still will result in precisely as much of "your" genetic material ending up in saids offspring. Just as much DNA. Your bloodline is preserved just as well in either case.

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I don't have pride in the white race per se, but I am thankful for their fight in the past, and their accomplishments, otherwise I wouldn't be here.




Then you should be immesurably grateful to your earlier African ancestors, because they over time birthed the white race. The white race is their offspring. Honor your ancestors.

Our shared African heritage is proven by science throuygh research into mitochondrial DNA. That research clearly shows that ALL HUMANS WHO LIVE TODAY are born from one woman and a few men, and they were Africans.

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Are you people understanding where I am coming from yet?




Honor your African ancestors, and accept the genetic debt which the white race has to the black race. This entitles or demands nothing of no one, other than acceptance of our true heritage and respect for our fellow man.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
    #6116776 - 09/29/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I didnt take the time to read the 100 posts or so, and maybe someone has talked about this already, but I hope than many of you realize that anything that starts with AL was a discovery made by arabic culture.

algebra for example. as well as a large percentage of medical terms come from arabic culture. Basically, all the tehcnical medical terms either come from latin or arabic.

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    #6116803 - 09/29/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Alcohol is a good one! Many cultures invented alcoholic beverages, but the Arab world invented and refined the art of distilling alcohol to create nonperishable and very portable beverages.

They invented perfumes too by distilling flowers with water to yield essential oils.

Unperishable and portable alcohol and flower essence, born out of necessity for cultures living in the desert for a large part.

Distilled spirits for the men and perfumes for the ladies. Quite sophisticated!


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    #6117210 - 09/29/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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When white people make up 5% of the world population(I think we are at 12% now), I wonder if my bloodline will still be going.






Alpharedecho, I can dispel a HUGE error in your thinking here:


If your offspring procreates with say an African or Asian... It is still your bloodline! Unless you think only family should marry (which you don't) then any race will do, it still will result in precisely as much of "your" genetic material ending up in saids offspring. Just as much DNA. Your bloodline is preserved just as well in either case.

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I don't have pride in the white race per se, but I am thankful for their fight in the past, and their accomplishments, otherwise I wouldn't be here.




Then you should be immesurably grateful to your earlier African ancestors, because they over time birthed the white race. The white race is their offspring. Honor your ancestors.

Our shared African heritage is proven by science throuygh research into mitochondrial DNA. That research clearly shows that ALL HUMANS WHO LIVE TODAY are born from one woman and a few men, and they were Africans.

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Are you people understanding where I am coming from yet?




Honor your African ancestors, and accept the genetic debt which the white race has to the black race. This entitles or demands nothing of no one, other than acceptance of our true heritage and respect for our fellow man.




You are clever, I will give you that. Listen, I feel a universal heritage with all humans, I just want to see the pure white race stick around, like I want to see pure black, pure Asian, etc. Variety is the spice of life!


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6117292 - 09/29/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I hope you learned something from this thread.

Be at peace with your humanity, and embrace the change. Racism hurts everyone.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6117343 - 09/29/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I agree, I have nothing but love for my human brothers. I just hope they feel the same way about me!


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6117373 - 09/29/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I hate to tell yall, the arabs are not respnislbe for algebra, the Egyptians and The Greeks are.

It seems I have to remind everyone every so often that algebra and math is quite.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6117389 - 09/29/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, the treatise of Algebra was derived from an Arabic speaking Muslim Persian. The word Algebra itself is Arabic.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6117454 - 09/29/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Actually, the treatise of Algebra was derived from an Arabic speaking Muslim Persian. The word Algebra itself is Arabic.




the name for algebra may be muslim, but the practice of using variables and cartesian points is decidedly not.

SO shut the fuck up until you learn the difference between names and defintions.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6117460 - 09/29/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey I really dont dislike you like I do some of the PAL people, itsm just I was thrown out of my house after winning some serious legal battles in life that has me a little depressed therefore a little testy. Sorry.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6117467 - 09/29/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Algebra is pre muslim egyptinan as well as some Greektian. Like I said.



Since our apla numeric system has its roots in Persia, the name may have stuck, but the practices of algebra predate Mahomet by awhile.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6117537 - 09/30/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The treatise was formulated by the said Persian Muslim man. Do you know what that means?

And telling someone to shut the fuck up is probably against the forum rules.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6117639 - 09/30/06 02:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The treatise was formulated by the said Persian Muslim man. Do you know what that means?

And telling someone to shut the fuck up is probably against the forum rules.

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Yeah I know what treatise means,

it means someone put it together in a book format and called it hiss own, when in fact it had been used for years to calculate and eventually solve complex "riddles" for almost a thousand yeas before the revelation of Mahomet's.
Oh. by the way little sensitive kid, I didn't insult you or one of your family members, so shut the fuck up.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6117824 - 09/30/06 04:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm gonna ask this question again...

what has anyone in your genetic history contributed to the rest of humanity.

Why should YOUR bloodline continue with priority over.. say.. a Muslim child?


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: kotik]
    #6117848 - 09/30/06 05:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

FUCK IT< EVERYONE< ALL INN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #6118166 - 09/30/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What the Muslims did was take a disorganized, probably fairly inter-continental mathematical phenomena and articulated it when a said individual wrote The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing. And again, if you wish to remain posting here, I would recommend you stop telling people to "shut the fuck up" when you cross roads with a detractor.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: kotik]
    #6118500 - 09/30/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm gonna ask this question again...

what has anyone in your genetic history contributed to the rest of humanity.

Why should YOUR bloodline continue with priority over.. say.. a Muslim child?




I didn't say I want mine over anyone else, I just want mine to survive, period. That doesn't mean a non Muslim child loses that place on Earth, so stop with these stupid questions.

My bloodline should continue because it's mine, of course I maybe biased on this subject.  :wink:

As for my genetic history.... I have had relatives who fought for England in WW1 and WW2, further back than that, I am not certain. Their greatest achievement IMO was surviving, thus eventually producing me. Again, I maybe biased here.  :smirk:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6120056 - 09/30/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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A human being is a human being. Who gives a fuck where they came from, what they look like or who their ancestors were. It's a retarded non-value given imagined value. If you honestly believe white people are going to somehow disappear, you need a ward team in Vienna to check that head of yours.




it matters where they come from and you know it
tell me this...if you were a politicical or religious or an illegal financial refugee,what would make you want to join politics in your new host country?
where does this great arrogance and hide come from that the new host country needs to be some how changed to remind them of home sweet home that is and always was the 'best country in the world' that they had to flee from?

is the word refugee allowed to be used in this age still?
i never hear them claim ti be one btw



if i fled my homeland as say a fleeing muslim craving fairness and equality,then why the hell would i start an organisation(or have the hide to try to change a free for all charity to muslim only charity?)or enter my new host nations politics?


you damn well know our enemies are bringing in their dirty ways to get at our underbellies and gut us


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: quiver]
    #6123748 - 10/02/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No quiver, apparently this is the first time in history where everybody has good intentions. I guess I'm just to ignorant to see the harmony everybody else is living in...  :rolleyes:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: quiver]
    #6124428 - 10/02/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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if i fled my homeland as say a fleeing muslim craving fairness and equality,then why the hell would i start an organisation(or have the hide to try to change a free for all charity to muslim only charity?)or enter my new host nations politics?


you damn well know our enemies are bringing in their dirty ways to get at our underbellies and gut us




So, what you're saying is: you lack faith in the system of freedom and liberty that America was founded upon.

If you REALLY believed in liberty and freedom for all, this sort of thing wouldn't matter to you. If you REALLY believed that all a nation needs to succeed is to provide for equal rights and priviledges for all, then what others did in your country is of no consequence. So long as you are free to act, they should be free to act, regardless of their intentions or share in your belief structures.

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    #6124533 - 10/02/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What fairy land world is everybody living in?


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6124616 - 10/02/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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What fairy land world is everybody living in?



How is your attitude any different from those who wanted to fight the Soviet Union by becoming the Soviet Union through military build up, social controls, and brinksmanship?

If you really believe that the freedoms and liberties of America are worth fighting for, then you'll fight for them at home as eagerly as you'll fight for them abroad. If Islamic fundamentalists want to move to America and open private schools teaching hate: Let them. The HUAC hearings didn't make the Soviet Union collapse, and neither will the Patriot Act dismantle Al Queda.

If we've learned one thing in the last century it's that the American marketplace of products, ideas, and culture is, for better or worse, irresistable. The world over Coca Cola, Madonna, and Walmart are recognized. If Islamic fundamentalists try to raise children in America, how long will it be before those children start to wear RL Polo and listen to hip hop? I'm guessing it won't even be one whole generation.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Economist]
    #6124649 - 10/02/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You know something my high school was full of 2nd and 3rd generation kids from Afghanistan and other Muslim countries. They were all pretty cool, nice, got along with them, etc. After 9/11 they all started acting different, like they were fighting for their country. I started seeing "AFG Pride" along with Anti-white/western graffiti around the school. There were even tensions which led to fights.

My point is, in times of war, with which country will immigrants from the country their host nation is at war with, be loyal to?

That is also why I am concerned for places such as Europe, where Muslim populations are becoming significant percentages of the population.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6124692 - 10/02/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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My point is, in times of war, with which country will immigrants from the country their host nation is at war with, be loyal to?

That is also why I am concerned for places such as Europe, where Muslim populations are becoming significant percentages of the population.



Oh, I get it, we should intern all the Japanese... :rolleyes:

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6124702 - 10/02/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Muslims poop and fart, like me and you


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    #6124712 - 10/02/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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My point is, in times of war, with which country will immigrants from the country their host nation is at war with, be loyal to?

That is also why I am concerned for places such as Europe, where Muslim populations are becoming significant percentages of the population.



Oh, I get it, we should intern all the Japanese... :rolleyes:




Japanease do not have the same mentality as hardcore Muslims. So I do not agree with this statement.

Look, my highschool became less safe after 9/11 due to the high Muslim population found with in it. That is not fair.


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    #6124715 - 10/02/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Muslims poop and fart, like me and you




Yeah, but some also kill over cartoons, NOT LIKE ME AND YOU.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6124750 - 10/02/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think like, maybe 3 people in Afghanistan were killed over those cartoons. Really, most of them just burned flags all day and renamed their breakfast danishes.


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    #6124772 - 10/02/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

1 person is to many IMO.

You know the saying, 1 bad apple spoils the bunch. The bunch being fundamentalists.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6124838 - 10/02/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Look, my highschool became less safe after 9/11 due to the high Muslim population found with in it. That is not fair.



Was it due to the high Muslim population, or due to their reception by non-muslims?

According to the BBC hate crime in America targetting Muslims increased by a factor of 5 after 9/11 ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/5305868.stm )

You said earlier in this thread that wearing pro-Afghan shirts resulted in fights, but I very much doubt that the shirts themselves threw any punches. Far more likely was a punch thrown at someone who chose to wear such a shirt.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6124852 - 10/02/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There's another saying, "don't throw the baby out with the bath water". No, some jackass killing someone on a street in Kabul over a cartoon hardly "ruins" Muslims as a whole. Morally you can't even compare him to the flag burners. All this egg shell talk about Muslims is just hysteria. No one was even killed in the aftermath of Popegate last month. But millions in the Muslim world peacefully protested it without beating up or killing anyone. Islamo-hysteria is the new Red Scare.


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    #6125308 - 10/02/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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No one was even killed in the aftermath of Popegate last month.




Incorrect. That nun working over in Africa (Somalia?) was killed. Shot in the back.




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    #6126534 - 10/02/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Look, my high school became less safe after 9/11 due to the high Muslim population found with in it. That is not fair.



Was it due to the high Muslim population, or due to their reception by non-Muslims?

According to the BBC hate crime in America targetting Muslims increased by a factor of 5 after 9/11 ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/5305868.stm )

You said earlier in this thread that wearing pro-Afghan shirts resulted in fights, but I very much doubt that the shirts themselves threw any punches.  Far more likely was a punch thrown at someone who chose to wear such a shirt.




Of course, I am sick and tired of the people doing the wrong not having to take responsibility for their actions. There is always some justification for people causing trouble.

Nobody was wearing shirts, the AFG Pride, and ANTI WHITE/WESTERN GRAFFITI started showing up on lockers, desks, walls, etc.

I am from Canada, so nobody thought anything about the Muslims in our school, they are the ones who felt the need to "represent". That is probably the non-Muslims fault.

I love how you people always manage to find a way to turn around the blame on the people who do NOTHING to provoke such behaviour. I repeat, I am from Canada, and there was no anti-Muslim sentiment in our school, it was an anti-white sentimate taken by the Muslims that fueled the problems.

"Far more likely was a punch thrown at someone who chose to wear such a shirt."  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


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    #6126540 - 10/02/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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There's another saying, "don't throw the baby out with the bath water". No, some jackass killing someone on a street in Kabul over a cartoon hardly "ruins" Muslims as a whole. Morally you can't even compare him to the flag burners. All this egg shell talk about Muslims is just hysteria. No one was even killed in the aftermath of Popegate last month. But millions in the Muslim world peacefully protested it without beating up or killing anyone. Islamo-hysteria is the new Red Scare.




I didn't say I agreed with the saying, but it is used by people when it suits them, and discarded when it doesn't.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6127684 - 10/03/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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1 person is to many IMO.

You know the saying, 1 bad apple spoils the bunch. The bunch being fundamentalists.





You forget one major factor: crime.

Generally violent people are closer associated with violent acts than adherents of any particular religion.

Think of hooligan mentality: a particular percentage of the population looks for any excuse to create an ungodly mess. Whether its Manchester United or Sunnite Islamic, they'll always find an excuse to raise hell.

These are the very same people who made lynchings happen in the USA some decades ago. Americans (or religious people) aren't evil, but there are evil people among them, just like in any population.

In the same way you can't blame recreational shooters for murders committed by the gun. Its not the gun thats the problem, but no-good fucked-up violent people who should be kept from acquiring one.

The problem isn't islam, nor even religious fundamentalists, but the problem really is the no-good fucked-up violent people who hide behind the religion and use it as a justification to attack.

If you deal with the no-good fucked-up violent people, attending a mosque or a soccer match is completely without harm.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Asante]
    #6127712 - 10/03/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thing is though, peaceful Muslims for the most part don't seem very indignified when murderers hide behind their religion. And I do believe these radicals have in fact hijacked both Islam and the injustices done against Muslims by the West.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6127808 - 10/03/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, that is a good point. With most other groups out there, the bad ones are shunned and punished.

When a bunch of Muslims crashed planes into the WTC(apparently), Muslims at my school almost took pride in it...made me sick to my stomach. They did not get the treatment they deserved, which would be IMO a good ass kicking, daily.

I realize it was probably different in the USA, where Muslims were probably trying to stay lowkey and distance themselves from the incident. I am just explaining the situation where I was.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6127838 - 10/03/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In your opinion, why did they take pride in it? Because of their religion, or an decades old animosity between the West and Muslims that merely exploded that day?


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6127873 - 10/03/06 10:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I really can't say for sure, but it was not for any reason noble, I can assure you of that.

Maybe a defense mechanism, felt threatened to be associated with it, but instead of staying low key about it, they went on the offensive?

Either way, they were in the wrong to act in such a way, after such a tragedy.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6127898 - 10/03/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe they heard far too many say that day, "Now we're gonna bomb those fucking ragheads"


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6127934 - 10/03/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Again, Canadian.......I don't believe that was an issue. I heard specific words for Osama Bin Ladin, but what would be surprising about that?

Funny how it is ALWAYS the white peoples fault, some how, some way.

This is like me going to Oklahoma in 1994 and supporting Timothy McVeigh, and you saying "Maybe you heard far too many say that day, "Now we're gonna kill that bastard."" Like that somehow justifies it.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6128137 - 10/03/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

After 9-11 a Pakistani classmate of mine at my high school was repeatedly told "his people were gonna get it". People were saying blatant racist remarks in front of him (although not always directed to him). Eventually with more remarks the next day, he eventually had enough and blurted "God bless box cutters". As if everyone else had some kind of moral high ground, they simply said "Woah, fuck you man. That's sick.". But any intelligent person could see the social illness began with the brazen jackassery of the general student population the previous morning. And no, he didn't really mean what he said. I asked him, and he told me he just wanted to piss them off without throwing a punch. Because really, if I was Arab or East Indian or whatever, and some idiot said to me "we're going to bomb your people", I'd personally want to knock his goddamn teeth in with a swift brown skinned toned left hook. But transgressive Quid Quo Pro insults would also work I suppose.


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Basilides]
    #6128342 - 10/03/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That is the difference between our countries, nobody was talking about bombing anyone at my school. Worst I heard was death to OBL.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6129578 - 10/03/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There is no difference between your countries b/c you share the same one. :flowstone:

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6129841 - 10/03/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Of course, I am sick and tired of the people doing the wrong not having to take responsibility for their actions. There is always some justification for people causing trouble.



Where did I say that the trouble they caused was justified?

I think it's important to remember that human relationships are a two-way street.

It's definitely wrong to attack someone based on "Afghani-Pride". But, at the same time, it's also wrong to believe that it's wrong for them to have that pride in the first place. Here you are claiming that you want steps to be taken so that the white race survives forever, but if someone else feels pride in their race, then they're doing something wrong.

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I am from Canada, so nobody thought anything about the Muslims in our school, they are the ones who felt the need to "represent". That is probably the non-Muslims fault.



I just don't think this is as obvious as it seems to you. You weren't with the Muslim students 100% of the time, nor did you hear every single comment made to each of them.

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Economist]
    #6129951 - 10/03/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity?

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Economist]
    #6131813 - 10/04/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Economist said:
Quote:

alpharedecho said:
Of course, I am sick and tired of the people doing the wrong not having to take responsibility for their actions. There is always some justification for people causing trouble.



Where did I say that the trouble they caused was justified?

I think it's important to remember that human relationships are a two-way street.

It's definitely wrong to attack someone based on "Afghani-Pride".  But, at the same time, it's also wrong to believe that it's wrong for them to have that pride in the first place.  Here you are claiming that you want steps to be taken so that the white race survives forever, but if someone else feels pride in their race, then they're doing something wrong.

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I am from Canada, so nobody thought anything about the Muslims in our school, they are the ones who felt the need to "represent". That is probably the non-Muslims fault.



I just don't think this is as obvious as it seems to you.  You weren't with the Muslim students 100% of the time, nor did you hear every single comment made to each of them.




First off, nobody was attacked for Afghani pride, you are not listening. Infact, no Muslims were attacked period, when they damn well should have been for the things they were saying and doing. It was the Muslims who were taking pride in the EVENTS OF 9/11. You got that?

They can have pride in their country, lord knows I have pride in mine, but when people take pride in a murderous tragedy, I have a problem with it. You got that??

They can have pride in their race, that is fine by me, but when they take pride in something like 9/11, I have a problem with it. You got that???

I will not reply to you again, unless you stop twisting my words into fabrications of your mind.  :mad2:

"you weren't with the Muslim students 100% of the time, nor did you hear every single comment made to each of them."

They vandalized the school with their words of hate, so I didn't have to hear it, just look at it while I got my education, in my country.  :mad2:


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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6133229 - 10/04/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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First off, nobody was attacked for Afghani pride, you are not listening. Infact, no Muslims were attacked period, when they damn well should have been for the things they were saying and doing. It was the Muslims who were taking pride in the EVENTS OF 9/11. You got that?



Obviously I was not there, and I do not know exactly what happened, however, you stated that the tensions between muslims and non-muslims led to fights ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6124649#Post6124649 ).

Since a fight does not happen unless someone throws a punch (kick, whatever), I have to assume one of two things:
1) A non-Muslim threw a punch at a Muslim
or
2) A Muslim threw a punch at a non-Muslim

If non-Muslims or Muslims were just fighting with themselves, this wouldn't follow from your statement (in the post I linked) that fights resulted from the tensions.

If this isn't true, please let me know what happened.

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They vandalized the school with their words of hate, so I didn't have to hear it, just look at it while I got my education, in my country.



In another post, you stated that the Muslims somehow made your school less safe ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6124712#Post6124712 ).

Did this vandalism by itself somehow make you feel "less safe" or was there associated violence?

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Economist]
    #6135742 - 10/05/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It made for a shitty atmosphere to attend school. There were limited fights, and they may or may not have been caused by these tensions, it could have also been caused by personal issues, I cannot say for sure.

I am saying, had I have went to a high school with NO Muslims, I would not have missed them. I don't know why it is encouraged to group all different people together in one place, because it leads to problems almost always.

The tensions were so bad at one point though, that all the high schools in my city were locked down(couldn't leave the class) because there were threats of drive-by shootings, from Muslims coming from the big city 40 minutes away. I could have done fine with out this, as it definitely made me feel less safe. Now there were many Muslims at my school who were nice, normal people, who didn't get caught up in the BS, and it sucks for them, to be grouped with the others, since they were the minority in this case.

I don't really know what your first point had to do with what you quoted, BTW.

You stated before attacking someone for Afghani Pride would be..blah blah blah. I was just pointing out, nothing like that was ever said, and your attempt to twist my words was really getting annoying.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: Syle]
    #6140723 - 10/06/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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i should rephrase my question: what has modern islam contributed to humanity?




Thats easy! I can answer that.

Car Bombs
Beheadings
Random Kidnapping/Executions.
The biggest Suspense Drama in my life time! (And its in real time)
Televised Executions.

A few other things but i forget a few

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: LordSenate]
    #6140730 - 10/06/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

oh yeah and a war that never ends..



and the song starts..

Its the war that never ends.. it keeps going on and on my friend! so on and so forth

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Re: What has the world of Islam contributed to the rest of humanity? [Re: LordSenate]
    #6140988 - 10/06/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Syle said:
i should rephrase my question: what has modern islam contributed to humanity?



Thats easy! I can answer that.
Car Bombs
Beheadings
Random Kidnapping/Executions.
The biggest Suspense Drama in my life time! (And its in real time)
Televised Executions.





I'm starting to like them more and more

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